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Um... I'm sorry for my ignorance... But Uh... Is the second 13" MacBook pro good enough to run Photoshop? I have the early 2008 white basic MacBook, with no upgrades (1 gb about 2.15 ghz. I'm sure I'll upgrade to a new MacBook pro in about two years anyway, and I need a new MacBook soon, so will the 13" MacBook pro be good enough for at least 2 years? Again, sorry for my ignorance...

Yes, it is well-equipped for that...unless of course, you need the higher resolution screen. As for PS performance, that is more a function of memory than anything else, and 4gigs is plenty at the present time.
 
+1. seems like Brand is everything to people.

No, the OS is everything to people.

Anyways, about the difference between the US and the EU price it's too high.
I know, you people in the US have these sales taxes that are pretty much the same as our TVA (actually, it's a totally different concept, but to the final buyer it doesn't really change anything), so yeah, you can say "you have to add these sales taxes to the price you see".
That's right, but you can't even remove TVA from the European prices: all you can do is to reakon the average TVAs in Europe and detract the average sales taxes in the US, and then compare the price difference.

Anyways, can you explain to me why the new MBP in Switzerland is 100CHF cheaper if starting at January 1st the Swiss TVA has augmented from 7.6% to 8%?

Let me tell you why: it's not about TVA, or at least, not just for that reason.
The real reason is that in the European Union (and Switzerland it's not part of it) there is a law (made to avoid what is called "price dumping") that says that the same product can't be sold at a price that is more than 10% higher than the price in an another European country...
And here comes the TVA: there are huge differences between the European TVAs, so if you want to avoid to loose money (nah, not "loose money", I'd say "have a lower profit") in a country, you have to keep the price higher than you would...

Hope I made myself clear :D Obviously English it's not my native language :D
 
Pretty major update given that it wasn't officially announced ahead of time. I'll make my only complaint a minor one: want the option to swap the superdrive for a SSD.
 
Glad nothing in this tempts me to want to update. I'm still amazed that Apple sticks to the small resolutions too. I can't imagine anything below 1680x1050
 
To anyone in the UK.

The 17" is £2,099.

Book easyjet flight to Geneva on the morning of 24th March 2011 (fly to Switzerland a non - EU country, flight costs £22.99 (leave UK 8.30am). Pick up tax free 17" at Luton Airport duty free shop for £1,679. At Geneva airport get rid of all packaging , load laptop with software and a few bits of work, slide into previously empty bag, fly back to Luton at 4.15 pm from Switzerland on Easyjet for £15.99. Costs of flights, flight taxes, Sandwich drinks etc. approx £50. You lose a day messing around and save £370.

Thanks that's the most useful post I've read all day.
 
Pretty major update given that it wasn't officially announced ahead of time. I'll make my only complaint a minor one: want the option to swap the superdrive for a SSD.

Yeah, I think there have been several less remarkable Powerbook/Macbook refreshes than this one. The disgruntled among us fell victim to those French rumors.
 
When do we expect Thunderbolt cables to be up for sale? Feels weird that this might be the first time Apple has implemented a technology that just came out with us having to wait for cables to be available for purchase.

Also, could it be possible that the battery life is identical to the previous revision? The new MBP says 7 hours of "wireless web."
 
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Those prices are insane! Sure, Macs are great, but you can get a similar Dell 17" laptop for $700 at Costco - you really want to spend 350% as much on a Mac with similar functionality and usability? I'm not saying the Dell is as good as a Mac, necessarily, but the premium Apple is trying to extract on these is completely out of line.
 
To all the people moaning about the graphics chipset in the 13"

Are you basing your complaints on real-world app performance or is it just lusting after specs?

I'm still using a 2nd gen x86 MacBook from late 2006. It's funny to think it's going on four-and-a-half years now, because it still feels like a snappy new machine to me, and I love it. It's got whatever the cheapo Intel GPU option was from 2006. I use it for lots of things including software development (Xcode plus various interpreted languages for tools), but I don't play Left 4 Dead and other big 3D games on a notebook--the battery drains too quickly. I have never had graphics performance issues otherwise. Zero. None. If I needed a new notebook, I'd buy the 13" Pro in a heartbeat.
 
LOL...

or for $649, you can buy a 14" aluminum body quad-core HP envy w/ 1600x1200 rez

+ $150 or whatever for a macos X dvd

and have enough cash left over for an ipad and an iphone.

LOL
 
For video editing SSD is very expensive. Also, video editing is where SSD gives you the least advantage compared to a hard disk. The graphics card makes little difference for video editing, that is all done in the CPU.

You might consider the MBP 13" plus a large monitor.

Thanks for responding, I really appreciate the help!
 
Apple did a great job unifying and cleaning up the MBP lineup.

The 256MB video card in the 15" makes sense, instead of the base being 512MB. Get the gamers to upgrade instead of settling for the hypothetical 512MB version.

I just wish the 13" came with a 1440x900 screen.

Also, their choice to only offer Intel 3000 graphics in the 13" was a wise decision.

I'll wait 'til the screen resolution gets bumped. My CE unibody MacBook is still kickin' good, especially with the new 7200RPM drive.
 
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Yay! Thank you!!!
 
LOL...

or for $649, you can buy a 14" aluminum body quad-core HP envy w/ 1600x1200 rez

+ $150 or whatever for a macos X dvd

and have enough cash left over for an ipad and an iphone.

LOL

Hey you said it for me... Posts like these do make me LOL!

Go enjoy your Windoze heap of a laptop and troll somewhere else.
 
Thunderbolt is an exciting development, and the upgrades seem pretty decent. I'm not surprised the battery life has dropped a bit with the processor upgrades. But I'm surprised that Apple is still sticking with 5400 rpm hard drives in the notebooks. That's where the bottleneck is going to occur. For the price, they really should have all gotten SSDs.
 
I will get one, even so it doesn't feature everything I wanted in particular an affordable SSD 512 GB but I guess I can replace it myself in some years when the prices are coming down.
 
Ok, qualify why this is a horrible update.

Hm, I never mentioned it is a "horrible" one. I mentioned it is "one of the worst" one. I do not need to prove my point of view to you or anyone. Make your own mind and convince yourself whatever you want to believe in.
 
LOL...

or for $649, you can buy a 14" aluminum body quad-core HP envy w/ 1600x1200 rez

+ $150 or whatever for a macos X dvd

and have enough cash left over for an ipad and an iphone.

LOL

Yeah, and that's reason why you're on forum dedicated to Apple...
You just make perfect sense.
 
And as a macrumors regular... your actually suprised that people whine after ANY update?????

Put away the Apple pom poms... and just get real, this is macrumors, no matter what apple releases there will be disapointment.

As annoying as the whinning is, so are reponces like yours... So feel free to tell everyon why the update is so awesome.....start with the battery, seems to be the current theme...

There's always a trade off. You can't up the processing power without shortening the battery life. When the iPad came out, everybody bitched about the low powered A4 processor. Well, you wouldn't get that outstanding battery life if they went with a more powerful and power hungry processor.

It seems that people here want to have their cake and eat it to. You can't put quad cores into a laptop and not expect the battery life to take a hit. Apple has changed their method of measuring the battery life. The original estimate of 10 hours may not have been entirely accurate anyway.
 
Anyone have any idea what is responsible for the battery life drop? They're equivalent to my 2 cycle old 13" MBP now.

Is it the CPUs?
 
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