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Dropping the ball

Apple you are seriously dropping the ball. Still no standard hi-res screen or option for the 13", isn't it called a MacBook PRO for a reason? 13" goes from 10 hours to 7, really did you think we'd forget? Is the battery life 7 hours or 8? According to your education store it's 8. So which is it? To me it seems like all this was rushed.....you really dropped the ball apple, cheers to all of you that need a mbp, but I won't be getting rid of my top tier 2007 mbp for this rushed nonsense.
 
Here are my options through work discount:

13 mbp $1362 w/ 128ssd
or $1738 w/256 ssd

13mbp hi-end
$1597 w/128 ssd
$1973 w/256 ssd

15 mbp $1879 w/128 ssd
15mbp $2250 w/2250

15mbp hi-end
$2115 w/ 128ssd
$2483 w/256 ssd

or...... could go 13inch macbook air maxed out $1671

what to do?? btw coming from late 2007 macbook with intel x3100
 
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new MBP

purchased my 13 in MBP 3 weeks ago...
kinda disappointed i didnt wait...
but i think i could wait till next year to upgrade...
heaviest software being used is photoshop...
 
Here are my options through work discount:

13 mbp $1362 w/ 128ssd
or $1738 w/256 ssd

13mbp hi-end
$1597 w/128 ssd
$1973 w/256 ssd

15 mbp $1879 w/128 ssd
15mbp $2250 w/2250

15mbp hi-end
$2115 w/ 128ssd
$2483 w/256 ssd

or...... could go 13inch macbook air maxed out $1671

what to do?? btw coming from late 2007 macbook with intel x3100

it depends what you want it for. 13" more portable, quad more usable if you run vmware or apps that can take advantage of more cores.
 
purchased my 13 in MBP 3 weeks ago...
kinda disappointed i didnt wait...
but i think i could wait till next year to upgrade...
heaviest software being used is photoshop...

What is there to be disappointed about? This update is a joke to me personally. Be happy with what you have. This is a rushed update, apple doesn't even have their facts right so what does that tell you.
 
Here are my options through work discount:

13 mbp $1362 w/ 128ssd
or $1738 w/256 ssd

13mbp hi-end
$1597 w/128 ssd
$1973 w/256 ssd

15 mbp $1879 w/128 ssd
15mbp $2250 w/2250

15mbp hi-end
$2115 w/ 128ssd
$2483 w/256 ssd

or...... could go 13inch macbook air maxed out $1671

what to do?? btw coming from late 2007 macbook with intel x3100

15mbp hi-end
$2115 w/ 128ssd

Then add larger SSD when it becomes cheaper in the aftermarket.
 
I just bought the higher end 13'' Macbook Pro. Its my first mac, I was just getting sick of my Dell Inspiron. I've been waiting for this Sandy Bridge update for a few months now and let me tell you, THIS COMPUTER IS AWESOME. Im a college student so its portable and fast. Great investment!
 
What is funnier is the integrated graphics having 384MB. I like the low-end 15" model, but it should come with 512MB.

The integrated graphics doesn't "have" 384 MB. The MBP has four GB of RAM, and the integrated graphics uses some of that RAM, as much as Apple thinks is optimal. They decided on 384 MB. Apple could have made it 512 MB, and you would have 128 MB less available for applications and data. They could have made it any amount they wanted.

(Go to "Activity Monitor", and check "System Memory". The memory for the integrated graphics is part of the "Wired Memory").


Besides, comparing to Windows-based laptops is a little bit misleading since Windows does use more power. Using BootCamp, one will get the same 6 hours with MBP that many PC laptops have.

We all know that Windows sucks. In this case, it sucks power.
 
In all the years of looking at laptops, I kept passing because
of speed, storage, fragility and HEAT.

My primary focus is audio, so I'm more than fine with 256MB graphics.
Going up in graphics performance usually means more heat.

The slight speed difference in the new lineup of Quad Cores had me figuring
the 2.0 GHz Quad Cores might run the coolest and most stable and still just
scream compared to my 2.0 D.P. 2004 G5 PPC Tower.

I could have gotten by just fine with a 13.5 loaded too, but running
Logic Pro, this is the way to go for me.
 
What is there to be disappointed about? This update is a joke to me personally. Be happy with what you have. This is a rushed update, apple doesn't even have their facts right so what does that tell you.


thanks man... i needed that.. =)
twas my first mac...
been using windows eversince...
not going back...
 
NO, don't do this!

To anyone in the UK.

The 17" is £2,099.

Book easyjet flight to Geneva on the morning of 24th March 2011 (fly to Switzerland a non - EU country, flight costs £22.99 (leave UK 8.30am). Pick up tax free 17" at Luton Airport duty free shop for £1,679. At Geneva airport get rid of all packaging , load laptop with software and a few bits of work, slide into previously empty bag, fly back to Luton at 4.15 pm from Switzerland on Easyjet for £15.99. Costs of flights, flight taxes, Sandwich drinks etc. approx £50. You lose a day messing around and save £370.

A CEO of Nokia, allegedly, bought a lot of stuff in Geneva. He took it home to Finland and forgot to declare the EU import tax and duty. Unfortunately, the Swiss Douanes had phoned the Finnish tullin tarkastus piste, who fined him TEN PERCENT OF HIS ANNUAL SALARY!
(however I have done exactly this for small stuff! AEBS, iPods etc)
 
Hi all,

I am a bit confused about the new GPU, it doesn't seem like much of an update. For graphic design and a bit of 3D modeling, is the 15" with 6490M 256 MB adequate? Or sould i go for the high-end option? Probably going for the high resolution screen as well btw.

The 6490 is approximately twice the performance of the low end Intel igp on the 13" model, which is not saying much. The 6750 will be leaps and bounds faster in 3d and openCL applications; so definitely go for the higher model if you applications contain these workloads. There is a gulf of difference between the two 15" models inerms of graphics performance.
 
Hmm, this update is better than I expected in some ways, but worse than I had hoped for.


I am very surprised to see that they are offering quad core processors on the 15" and 17" models—particularly the 15". Previously they have limited themselves to 35W processors which is why quad core models have not been available until now. I wonder if they have changed the internal design at all, or if they just run hot again like the older MacBook Pros.

I'm curious about the battery life. It seems to have dropped quite a bit. I know that Apple are saying they have changed their test methods, but didn't they say that last year as well, or was it when the MacBook Airs were released that they changed it? I'm sure the switch to higher wattage processors has played a part and it will be interesting to see how they compare in the real world.

I'm also surprised to see the switch over to AMD graphics again—not that it's a bad thing. AMD seem to have been doing better for power efficiency in recent years which makes a lot of sense for a notebook. They still have the automatic graphics switching in there, which is interesting. I wonder if it still works as it did with last year's models where it would basically be running on the dedicated GPU all the time or if it's actually going to be useful this time around. They need to be switching GPUs on a per-application basis, not when applications use specific APIs.


Thunderbolt is interesting. It's great that they finally have a high-speed connection after skipping eSATA and USB3. It makes sense to replace the DisplayPort connector with it, as it is compatible with DisplayPort and I am sure that they will soon release updated displays which have passthrough connections on the back.

But where is the USB3 support?

Intel has previously demonstrated Lightpeak connectors that were pin-compatible with, and supported using, USB3 devices. It's one thing to have a new high speed port, and sure it's faster than USB3, but there are plenty of USB3 devices out there now that it's been in use for a couple of years and it still means that there's no way to do video capture with a MacBook Pro, for example. This is yet another case of Apple's stubbornness hurting consumers. Even if Thunderbolt doesn't support USB3 connections in this iteration, there's no reason we should be stuck with two USB2 ports.


The screen on the 13" MacBook Pro is a real letdown with it being stuck at a very low resolution and not having an anti-glare option. It's ridiculous that their lightweight "travel" laptop has a better screen than their "Pro" model. Still waiting for a 1920x1200 option for the 15" model too, and no mention of wider gamut displays either.

Size, Resolution
11" MBA, 135 PPI
13" MBA, 128 PPI
13" MBP, 113 PPI
15" MBP, 129 PPI
17" MBP, 133 PPI


Still no Blu-ray. Sure, I'm not likely to ever watch a film on a laptop, but there's a good chance that I would hook it up to a large display to watch something (as long as I remember my DisplayPort > HDMI adapter…) and without Blu-ray I wouldn't be able to watch any film that I've bought in the last five years. It also means you can't read data discs either—sure, they're not as common as CDs, DVDs or portable drives, but they still exist. This is just another way that Apple is hurting consumers—this time to push people towards using iTunes.

I would much rather that they had no optical drive at all, but if they are going to have one, there should at least be the option of having Blu-ray.

And more on that point—why isn't there an option to drop the optical drive entirely? At the very least you could double up on storage drives—have a smaller SSD for a boot/applications drive, and a large hard drive for storage. Or go with two hard drives for maximum storage (2TB) or even two SSDs.

What about putting an extended battery in the space that the optical drive takes up? Perhaps removing the optical drive would free up enough space that you could have more than a measly two USB ports on the computer—only one of which is usable at any one time when many devices are plugged in.



Many of these are the same complaints that I had last year before I decided that I still wanted a Mac and basically didn't have a choice but to get one. I sold off my previous i7 MBP around late-November if I remember correctly, expecting the SB machines to be out late 2010 or Jan 2011, so I have been waiting for this update for a while now and have the money set aside, but over the last year I've been shifting towards using more multi-platform applications and I'm not sure that I need to be using a Mac now.

I would absolutely prefer to be using OSX rather than Windows, but considering how much more expensive Apple hardware is, and how lacking they still are in terms of connectivity, I'm not sure I can justify it any more.

If they at least had USB3 or some form of Thunderbolt with USB3 support (pin compatible, not requiring adapters) then I would probably be buying one now, but I'm not going to make that mistake again. If I did buy one, as soon as the Ivy Bridge machines come out at the end of the year/early next, I would be wanting to upgrade again, because that is when Intel will finally support USB3 and Apple won't have any excuse to avoid supporting it.
 
I just bought the higher end 13'' Macbook Pro. Its my first mac, I was just getting sick of my Dell Inspiron. I've been waiting for this Sandy Bridge update for a few months now and let me tell you, THIS COMPUTER IS AWESOME. Im a college student so its portable and fast. Great investment!


you have it in hand?
 
I just bought the higher end 13'' Macbook Pro. Its my first mac, I was just getting sick of my Dell Inspiron. I've been waiting for this Sandy Bridge update for a few months now and let me tell you, THIS COMPUTER IS AWESOME. Im a college student so its portable and fast. Great investment!

Seems like you just ordered the one with the worst feature/price ratio. Hope that you reconsider and change your order
 
Seriously?

Okay so to everyone who's complaining about the new macbook pros.

I just ran geek-bench (just bought one as i've been waiting for months since i sold my old 15") and the "low end" 13 MacBook Pro for $1199 received a geek-bench score of 5850. Up significantly from last years MacBooks. Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't the 2010 17" MacBook pro receive a score of around 5200 overall. I know everyone doesn't need the new speed bump but DAMN this thing is smokin.

-Happy Customer
 
I am waiting for the new MacBook Air 13" (probably October '11). It will include the same nice resolution (unless Apple downgrades like they did with the battery now :eek: ), Thunderbolt port with devices available, SSD and no space-wasting optical drive, Lion etc.

The more I think of it, the MBA becomes more and more attractive. I don't really see any advantages of the MBP over MBA, except CPU speed and an IO port which still lacks devices...

I am actually thinking the same way. Space is becoming less and less important with services like dropbox and streaming in general. Tempted to wait for the next mba.
 
Ordered Mine

With my work discount

MBP 17/CTO
$2,519.00

Delivers Feb 28 - Mar 4 by 2-3 Day Shipping

With the following configuration:
•PROCESSOR 065-0294 2.3GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7
•MEMORY 065-0123 4GB 1333MHZ DDR3 SDRAM - 2X2GB
•HARD DRIVE 065-0340 750GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400
•OPTICAL DRIVE 065-0131 8x Double-Layer SuperDrive
•DISPLAY 065-0133 MBP 17"HR Antiglare WS Display
 
if you do an aftermarket SDD, can you still have Applecare or does it void the warranty?
 
The specs, for the price, of the 13" are absolutely laughable.

I say that as someone who has no problem paying a premium for Apple stuff, I'm NOT subscribing to the tired old "You can get a Dell for half the price!" which I've always thought is a bs argument. Bunging a 128gb ssd, 1440x900 display on the higher end 13" for the same price would make it passable, despite still having graphics that could barely run Bejeweled on Facebook.

It's almost as if Apple are pushing people to mba's.

All the furore about decreased battery life strikes me as needless though, I suspect it's actually exactly the same, it's just a more accurate test.
 
Do you, in all honesty, believe that these updates represent an 800-1000% speed increase from the previous models? If so, you might need to be committed to the nearest mental institution.

Did the research for you, since clearly you are too blind and arrogant to do it yourself. Old GPU:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gt_330m_us.html

New GPU:

http://www.amd.com/us/products/note...00m-6600m/Pages/amd-radeon-6700m-6600m.aspx#2

But of course, many refuse to read so I'll do it for you.

Old: 48 CUDA Cores (usually referred to as stream processors)
Performance: 182 GIGAFLOPS (182 billion floating point operations per second).

New: 480 stream processors
Performance: 480 - 696 GIGAFLOPS.

And that is only the tip of the iceberg.

Not to mention the increased frontside bus speed on the new mbp's, the faster memory, quad core cpu's, hyper-threading (meaning 8 logical cores), yeah I'd say this is a significant performance update. Anyone who tries to deny that it is from the last revision should be committed to a mental institution.

Seriously, comment on things you have a clue about, otherwise you put yourself at significant risk of sounding stupid.
 
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