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Apple Launches New 4K & 5K iMacs, Magic Keyboard, Magic Mouse 2 and Magic Trackpad 2

bbeagle said:
'In this economy' - what is 'this' economy - the one YOU live in, or the one the KARDASHIANS live in?

Hint: It's both.

$129 is nothing to me. I spend $100 here and there about 3-4 times a week on dumb stuff. $129 is a LOT to many people. But 'In this economy' means nothing. Some people make a lot, some don't. Apple is betting that there are a lot of people that are in the good part of the economy who will buy their high-end products.
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It means something. That's why there is such a thing as a "recession". There are Kardashians in this world, and yet recessions still occur because you know what? Apple (and many many other companies out there) doesn't only count on the Kardashians or people like you to make billions in profit.

But in the case of the trackpad, Apple is probably not selling, and is not expecting to sell, many of those anyway so that's why it's priced so high. If they were selling millions of them, the price would probably be significantly lower.
 
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scottish said:
It won't. Force Touch ≠ 3D Touch.
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You are right, this is the way Apple sees it, I guess. Some people already asked about this in this thread.

3D is is something which you can see with your eye, force is something you sense.

So until a trackpad does not get a build in touchscreen**, it won't be called 3D Touch.

Besides, the actual technology used are quite different, but that of course should be no reason to have different names for the public if it were the same thing.


** if a trackpad with touchscreen makes sense is another story. But it could serve as a number pad temporarily for example. On the other hand I don't see having a touchscreen on a trackpad with 3D Touch because it could be too distracting having another level of complexity off screen, but I could be wrong and it won't happening anytime soon anyway.
 
SlipperySlop said:
Is this really what MacRumors has become? There is so much hatred and negativism as to make these threads unpleasant to read. It's become simply an opportunity for those who love to complain and moan and groan to express themselves. Read information and discussion is almost gone, and I'm almost done with this nonsense.
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I agree with you on this. I rarely post anymore or even read stuff on the net since it is all like this. Here you're lead to believe google's cloud stuff is perfect, and then you go to google's forums and there is non-stop complaining. Windows 10 and their new products are from the year 3000, which in reality you look at their forums and see non-stop complaining and you would think it is horrible to use. Here it is Apple centric, (I think) hard to tell with some, and you would think everything they make is utter garbage.

Truth is all have good and bad, just get what you like and be happy. All the companies are the same at the end of the day, all have their faults. Some here really do need to move on to a custom windows desktop though and get it over with. They'll feel better. Maybe have some more sex, or masterbate if they are lacking there, it helps to do that. Clean those pipes.
 
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H2SO4 said:
Who are you talking to specifically?
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Don't know why my quote didn't appear. Anyways here it is:

MagnusVonMagnum said:
It's worse than a fail. It's the end of the Mac if they keep this crap up. Apple can't seem to make up its mind if it wants to do USB-C or just plain Thunderbolt DESPITE the fact Thunderbolt 3 makes the move to USB-C permanently (somehow I suspect Apple will be the only manufacturer on Earth that will keep the Mini-Display Port connection just to tick off every Mac user out there (save the fanboys; nothing Apple does EVER ticks them off; they jump for joy at every misstep!)

The Lightning connection makes no sense what-so-ever unless they are planning on unleashing mice and external trackpads for the iPad (yeah that would make wacko sense). The REAL reason is that they don't want to admit that the Lightning connector was STUPID to make in the first place. It's only USB2 speeds and USB-C makes it 100% OBSOLETE in every respect. So why aren't they designign for USB-C when it's the future of both desktops and mobile platforms everywhere on the Earth??? Why did they bother to put USB-C on a Macbook only to not use it anywhere else when we KNOW that the whole world will soon be using USB-C ports for everything (including Thunderbolt 3).

Why does Apple make 4K and 5K type machines and then not give them enough GPU power to do anything but drive the GUI? (and even THAT was choppy as hell on many machines until El Capitan and Metal came out!!!)

Apple seems obsessed about getting their high-end models down in price at the cost of functionality (3rd rate GPUs; old hard drives, AMD anything....) and yet they've got a Mac Pro that once again just sits there becoming completely out of date, overpriced to hell and not upgradeable even for the video card because they insisted on using custom connectors instead of an industry standard internal slot (guaranteeing you can't make one into the ultimate gaming Mac unlike Mac Pros of years past that were at least up-to-date for the year they came out and could be made into an actual useful desktop for non-pros even if it meant over-spending). Now there is no "high-end" Mac. They're all two-bit compromises for markets that didn't ask for them or want them. It's really unreal how stupid their design decisions are. Maybe number Johnny Five should have spent more time in engineering and less time making flat ugly graphical changes to OS X!

How HARD is it to simply make a machine that has an up-to-date i7, 16GB of ram standard, a REAL GPU (like a NVidia Maxwell capable of actually driving a 4k/5k display at usable frame rates) and standard SSD drives of 512GB or greater internal? Is that really such a hard thing to make? Or would their massive profit margin simply price the machine out of the stratosphere? Given we KNOW Thunderbolt III is just around the corner with all kinds of new goodies, I can't see why anyone would want to buy a new Mac right now that didn't have to, let alone one with a Broadwell chipset in it when it's already obsolete.

What I really want to see is a Macbook Pro 15" model with Thunderbolt III using USB-C ports (plus a couple of USB3 ports included on-board for usability without a hub) and the capability of using an external high-end graphics card for gaming and the like (whether or not it's running OS X or Windows through Boot Camp). In that case, the included GPU wouldn't be as important since it would likely be docked for gaming and finally having a way to upgrade the GPU for such uses would mean the computer isn't obsolete in two years (since CPU upgrades are typically slow and not needed whereas GPU improvements make life or death for frame rates in a short period of time).

In other words, I want ONE Computer To Rule Them All. That means no more desktops but a notebook that can plug into a hub and become a real desktop with one USB-C plug and Thunderbolt III bandwidth. The iMac is not needed with such a computer becoming available nor any desktops except for specific power uses (leave that to a properly made Mac Pro). But Apple seems unaware of such possibilities just like they are blind to offering touchscreens for those that might need/want them even if it's just in Windows mode (so they buy a Mac instead of a PC and thus generate Apple profit instead of losing a sale).

Ah, but Apple makes money (even if it's mostly from phones and the like), screams the fanatics! Therefore they are 100% right at all times! LOL. :rolleyes:
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nutjob said:
(a) Not true (PS uses the GPU for intensive processing) (b) it's actually possible to install software other than Photoshop on a Mac. And lo and behold, that software might actually need a GPU that isn't a joke.
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Not true, it runs fine without a DGPU. Case in point my MBP 13 with no DGPU and I have no issues. Sure it'll be faster with DGPU, but it's not a deal breaker for most.
 
philotas said:
You are right, this is the way Apple sees it, I guess. Some people already asked about this in this thread.

3D is is something which you can see with your eye, force is something you sense.

So until a trackpad does not get a build in touchscreen**, it won't be called 3D Touch.

Besides, the actual technology used are quite different, but that of course should be no reason to have different names for the public if it were the same thing.


** if a trackpad with touchscreen makes sense is another story. But it could serve as a number pad temporarily for example. On the other hand I don't see having a touchscreen on a trackpad with 3D Touch because it could be too distracting having another level of complexity off screen, but I could be wrong and it won't happening anytime soon anyway.
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So why is it called force touch on the apple watch then?
 
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mrfoof82 said:
I'm a consulting developer that spins up virtual machines for multi servers (to represent multiple physical tiers), simultaneously. Have been doing this for the better part of a decade, and there's a huge advantage for being able to spin up test environments locally.

I have 32GB in my current mid-2011 iMac. I either slam into that periodically, or have to strictly limit my VMs (mostly database sever VMs) which limits my ability to get work done. I've been slamming into that consistently for the past 2 years (which means i end up spinning up AWS instances for dev) We should see 64GB memory limits with DDR4 since density will be higher for DIMMs (and SO-DIMMs, which iMacs use), and the Intel desktop chipsets absolutely support it.

Dual 5K displays? This is because I have dual 27" 2560x1440 displays now (which, honestly, is too small sometimes). I don't want a retina and non-retina display. I want them both to be 5K if I'm spending that kind of money. Cheaper for me to wait, rather to upgrade now, and then have to upgrade again next year.
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What you do would benefit hugely from the changes you're looking for, but as I said it's a niche use case. I think you'd have to agree that the average user probably doesn't even know DDR3 from DDR4 and isn't buying 4k or 5k displays.
 
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The complaint about seeing 5400 drives is kind of irrelevant if you know the difference. Yes they could have base modeled at a fusion drive or even a simple 7200 speed drive, but they are going for the stripped down no frills "from $xxxx" marketing. So just ignore that price and come up to a fusion drive and call it a day. Figure they would have charge an extra $50-$100 for that base model if it was to be the case anyway. No one is forcing anyone to buy this ridiculously slow drive. Just ignore that base option altogether. That said, to the unknowing, they will get stuck with one and I do agree they should be obsolete in 2015. (well actually should have been obsolete a few years ago)
 
Amazing Iceman said:
Did anyone ever explain to you that the world doesn't revolve around you or your personal needs?
Why do you need a computer when a Calculator, a Notepad and a Pencil should be enough for you?

I have a mid-2011 iMac with 32GB RAM> Right now, I only have 3.26GB RAM available.
When I get a new Mac I'll max out its specs. I want higher specs because I have need for these.
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Good to see our comments apply to both of us.
 
ROFL at the SSD prices! Can somebody please tell Apple that SSDs don't cost the same as they did 3 years ago!
 
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bbeagle said:
'In this economy' - what is 'this' economy - the one YOU live in, or the one the KARDASHIANS live in?

Hint: It's both.

$129 is nothing to me. I spend $100 here and there about 3-4 times a week on dumb stuff. $129 is a LOT to many people. But 'In this economy' means nothing. Some people make a lot, some don't. Apple is betting that there are a lot of people that are in the good part of the economy who will buy their high-end products.
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This Economy means the economical situation of the majority of people, not just a few.
Don't fool yourself. Things could change from one day to the next, and today's rich and happy guy could end up living under a bridge tomorrow. Others commit suicide to avoid changing their rich lifestyle.

I can't imagine the Kardashians using a Computer, when all they can do is send text messages, take photos and FaceTime.
Apple can't expect to base their computer sales forecast on people like them (only for iPhones).

And in case you wonder my financial status: I'm sitting on my Herman-Miller Aeron chair. (Get a hint?)

I'm not willing to just give away my money to buy undervalued products.
 
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This is the third time I started writing this and I keep on deleting it because probably no1curzz. But just in case, it's behind the spoiler button.

My name is neither Cook nor Ive but my feeling is that Apple is repositioning its products. Instead of competing for the middle-class (and lower-middle class) market, who buy Chromebooks and $499 all-in-ones, Apple is aiming higher. Therefore instead of being a technology company, they are becoming a fashion accessories company.

Think about RAM in iPhones. So many people here were fainting in excitement when 6s FINALLY got 2GB RAM. But what does Joe Schmoe know? "iPhone 6s is the best iPhone ever". Does he know how much RAM there is? No. What Joe knows is that it's an iPhone, and it's got a bigger or less big screen. And iPhones are cool. So what he can only afford the 16GB storage model. At least he has an iPhone. In rose gold no less.

Think about Burberry and Hermes associations of late. Think about Beats. I don't think anybody ever said "I am going to buy the Beats headphones because I care about audiophile sound quality and that's what they offer". I don't think anybody said "I am going to buy a Hermes bag because it's the most convenient one". Now apply this philosophy to computers. When I convinced my partner to buy an iMac, his first reaction was "whoa, my photos look so good now". It wasn't "meh, the system could load faster". I still can't convince him to get an external SSD because "I can wait". Now if there was a simple way to replace his screen with the 5K screen without changing any internals? He would RUN to the Apple Store. Not because he knows what a 5K screen is, but because his photos would look even prettier.

We here care about stuff like how much SSD component does a Fusion Drive have. But Apple's target demographic cares mostly whether it's real gold or gold plated, how big the screen is and whether the Apple logo is large enough for everyone to see. People who prefer to buy a DESKTOP computer because it's so thin rather than have a box under their desk where they never look do not make decisions based on "is it Skylake". I don't think Kim Kardashian or Paris Hilton would know what a Skylake is. ("Is it a Bond movie?") Has anybody bought an Apple Watch Edition because of the internals? The changes that are made between iPad, iPhone and Mac models are the ones people notice: it's bigger, it's got more pixels, it's thinner, it's lighter. The 16 GB storage? You'll only notice that when you try to install more than three apps and take a one-minute video. At this point you've paid for it. The fact you can't expand RAM in an iMac? Well too bad you haven't thought about it earlier, right?

And why is Magic Keyboard called that? Because it's way easier to sell a Magic Keyboard than an Adesso AKB-150EB Backlit Natural Ergonomic Keyboard With Complete Set Of Media Buttons And USB Connector. And the fact that the mouse has to lie down paws up with a cable stuck in its belly to recharge? WHO CARES. It's white. And slim. Apple products aren't ergonomic. They aren't the most advanced technology. They don't have the most RAM, the most battery life or whatever other techie things we like to debate here. They are the most Apple products out there and this is their selling point.
 
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