I agree. 2600 euros for a desktop with an i5 and 8GB RAM is downright criminal.
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Apple Launches New 4K & 5K iMacs, Magic Keyboard, Magic Mouse 2 and Magic Trackpad 2
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Actually not...
Mac Pro is not a gaming computer too.
There are not gaming machine in the Apple lineup.
Actually I read something different there ....
Intel's HD 6200 is more than up to the task of driving the 4K iMac's screen at its native resolution
Basically they said that HEAVY USERS wanting to connect another 4K external monitor won't be satisfied by the performance.
And I do agree. The 4K iMac 21.5 isn't for that kind of users. They should opt for a maxed out 27".
the Iris Pro 6200 is a decent graphic card, and it can edit 4K videos.
If gaming is your target, well, an iMac isn't the right choice. Even a maxed out 27" isn't a good solution for gaming: a lot of money for barely acceptable results.
Im not an heavy gamer, but I can't understand you: I spent less than $400 for a PS4 and I can play every game on my 47" TV ....
Looking at the Manuals for the new iMac the Magic Keyboard/Trackpad/Magic Mouse are now automatically paired with the computer.
Whilst it wasn't too a long in the tooth process in the past at least it negates the need to switch the corresponding peripheral on and then pair.
Whilst it wasn't too a long in the tooth process in the past at least it negates the need to switch the corresponding peripheral on and then pair.
I think at this point, Apple wants you to buy the new AppleTV gaming, to play Frogger on it.
Depends how you describe "decent". For me, even a graphics card like that Iris Pro is 5x more than what I would need for what I'm doing with my computer. But I don't think you can edit 4K videos with plenty of effects and stuff flawlessly with a card like that... What if you want an all-in-one 21.5" computer that is nearly as powerful as the low-spec Mac Pro?
Oh and, not everyone has that extra 400$ for a gaming device. Money can be limited you know. It's best to spend 200$ for a more powerful GPU that will also serve not just for gaming, but for professional work as well.
That's it. I'm using the non-numerical pad one. it's a no brainer. the solar tech rt now is def up to par and lasts forever. I've yet to have an issue. the Bluetooth is usually the culprit for me.I am using that one since years with my MacBook Pro and it will replace the Magic Keyboard 2 that comes with the iMac.
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beats me why apple won't follow suit.
Fanatics always believe anything "negative" about Apple is "bashing" Apple over the head. They simply have NO CONCEPT of justifiable criticism.
SSD drives are cheaper than ever so it makes even less for Apple to make this move except in the context of squeezing every last cent out of the customer. Have you noticed a recent trend? Briefly, Apple seemed to be eliminating rotating hard drives in their product lines, first with notebooks and then iMacs. All of the sudden, they are back and with a vengeance. Apple briefly released a very nice, but expensive iMac 5k with NVidia. They then quickly update it to use inferior AMD and rotational drives and the assumed reason was to get the cost down despite the fact it then started to become a compromised experience. Worst of all, Apple makes the vast lion share of their profits from the iOS devices these days so compromising the Mac for a few pennies on the dollar, so-to-speak seems utterly miserly on their part. Someone needs to remind Apple they used to be about premium money for a premium experience. Them rolling out how much specs have improved since the 1920s or whatever seems like a ploy to downplay their miserly moves as of late. I personally didn't care for the iMac to begin with and now there's zero chance I will buy one. I was thinking of updating my Mac Mini in 2014 to get a better GPU, but then they eliminated the i7 Quad model and so I'd be downgrading nearly everything else to get a slightly better (still far from optimum) GPU.
I don't know how well Hackintosh systems are working today, but I'm thinking more and more it may be the only way I can stick with the OS X environment. I simply cannot continue to accept overpriced poorly performing hardware in 2015. I'd gladly spend $2k on a computer if it were state of the art like my Macbook Pro was in 2008. But I'm not spending $2300 on an iMac with 5400 RPM drives and a GPU that can barely get out of its own way. You used to be able to get an entry level Mac Pro with a very good GPU for that kind of money and more importantly, the ability to UPGRADE the GPU again as time went on so you could easily get 2-5 years out of it without it becoming obsolete immediately. The problem with these under powered GPUs is that they are under powered on Day 1. How could one hope to run a modern game when they won't run properly even the $2k+ computer is brand new, let alone in 2-3 years? And for that kind of money, they should be able to run just about anything, even with worse drivers than Windows. When you can build a fairly killer Windows gaming PC for $1200, spending close to $3k on a Mac that can't run a game at half the frame rate doesn't make much sense. And as I've mentioned before, I want ONE computer in the future that can run everything or at the very least only one desktop and one notebook. I shouldn't have to buy a separate Windows PC in 2015 when Macs use PC parts. Apple is offering power users literally NOTHING these days. The 5k models are pretty looking, but can't run much of anything at those resolutions beyond a web browser.
The 21.5" iMac has a PPI of 217, which is the same as the 27" 5k iMac, I believe. Sounds like this allows them to get the same screens for both Macs from the same supplier. Simply cut the screens to size? So I guess it's due to savings from economies of scale?
It is quite odd and really goes against Apples THE FUTURE attitude. Something that slow should not even by an option and is just a cheap move.
Saw the new stuff in an Apple store today. I hate the ergonomics of the magic mouse, but the new lighter weight and improved "slide" is a noticeable improvement. The 27" 5K is pure velvety goodness. I didn't even have my readers on and could see the better-than-paper-like smoothness of everything. Gorgeous.
The new 27" iMac can only be upgraded up to 32 GB RAM.
That's what I have on my 21" iMac, mid-2011.
Not good at all... disappointing...
I guess one more reason to hold off from spending $4K
That's what I have on my 21" iMac, mid-2011.
Not good at all... disappointing...
I guess one more reason to hold off from spending $4K
Are you really saying someone who could afford an iMac couldn't afford a $399 consolle ?
Give me a break ...
Yes really.
It is better than many dGPU from last year.
Again, if you don't take gaming into consideration, or extremely heavy tasks like driving TWO 4K monitors, the Iris Pro 6200 is a decent GPU.
It actually could be upgraded to 64 Gb
Why is that a surprise? If somebody has saved hard to get their iMac, perhaps taking a year or more, you're suggesting they save another $400 so they can play games?
Take my partner as an example, she's a self employed graphic designer. She struggled to replace her iMac when her old one died and certainly does not have the money to spend on a console, but she does like to play the odd game of Call of Duty.
Not everybody has money to throw around.
I'll give you my situation, I have a family, and I can justify getting a computer for both work, hobbies and my kids. I have limited funds because having kids means you have to spend money on them first, i.e., gymnastic classes can be very expensive, among another activities.
Now there's no way I can justify spending 400 dollars on a console to play games when I'm spending nearly 2k on a computer. I have other responsibilities and playing games falls pretty far on the list of must have toys.
do you understand that a consolle usually lasts 4-5 years minimum, right ?
if gaming is so important for you (i have two kids, I know ...) and you are spending $2000 on an iMac (there are more affordable computers out there), i still can't understand how is difficult to buy a consolle, possibly not in the same fiscal year you bought the iMac.
I'm not going to questioning your financial management (mine is a nightmare
), but we all know Macs aren't affordable devices.
What is also frustrating about my partner's 20.5" iMac is that the 8GB of RAM and the 5400RPM disk are really making it a struggle for her to work, it's simply too slow. At the time she bought it, she had to buy the cheapest model she could get, but as it's a sealed unit, neither can be replaced or upgraded. This is the fundamental problem many will face if buying the entry level machine at its premium price.
Like quite a few here, the trend I've noticed is prices staying (artificially) high while specs decrease year over year against the current tech, and am I imagining it but did a lot of this seem to start ramping up as soon as the share holders started getting dividends? Seems to me, casually looking in from outside, that once these shareholders were finally getting the return on the shares that they've been craving for so long then that return had to be as high as possible and the only way to do that is squeeze the consumer for every last penny with an attitude of "well, you can just replace it with a new one in two years". Not a £1200-2000 computer I can't. We don't all earn Silicon Valley money.
I can't see me going with a Mac again when it's time to change my current one if this trend continues. Too much locking down, sealing in, "if it breaks replace it or pay our high repair prices" mentality going on now. Jobs had his faults, quite a few of them if stories are to be believed, but being a "dreamer" he did at least appear to push things forward to benefit both Apple and the Consumer. Yes, things were still overpriced, but at least each iteration seemed to improve on the last. Now it just feels like "give us your money for no return from us".
I know it's been mentioned, but cutting the SSD part of the 1TB Fusion Drive to 24GB is just miserly. I can't see there being any long term benefit to that since it will be almost constantly needing to read/write to the HDD to clear the buffer. At least the 128GB can do it when the Mac is idle, which I assume is what it does. And don't get me started on £109 for a trackpad that could have to be replaced when the battery stops holding a charge. That's just ridiculous.
I like a quote I saw over on another site, and to paraphrase slightly, "right now it's not whether we're being screwed but how hard we're being screwed"
That's the galling part. I mean just look at the cost of 128GB flash drives and yet apple decided to use 24GB flash storage in their 1TB Fusion drive - that's just greed. I mean you couple a slow hard drive with a tiny flash drive and you have the recipe for slow storage.
I'm not ready to abandon the platform. I really do like OS X. I think windows 10 is a fine OS, and I use it often on my SP3, yet I do find myself coming back to my Mac more often then the the SP3.
I am finding a hard time justifying the purchase of the iMac with its premium pricing, but decidedly lack of premium components. I'm in no rush, I was originally intending to replace my Mac in 2016, but perhaps I'll push that even further - provided my Apple Cinema Display continues to work problem free (it is getting old)