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Apple Launches New 4K & 5K iMacs, Magic Keyboard, Magic Mouse 2 and Magic Trackpad 2

MagnusVonMagnum said:
Given we KNOW Thunderbolt III is just around the corner with all kinds of new goodies, I can't see why anyone would want to buy a new Mac right now that didn't have to, let alone one with a Broadwell chipset in it when it's already obsolete.
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People buy them because they have no idea what Broadwell is. Ask a random Mac user what generation CPU is in their iMac and they won't be able to tell you and the reason for this is because they don't care.

Clearly you don't understand the demographics of Apple's user base if you can't see why people buy their products.
 
chromite said:
People buy them because they have no idea what Broadwell is. Ask a random Mac user what generation CPU is in their iMac and they won't be able to tell you and the reason for this is because they don't care.
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I'll extend your logic one more step. I agree most consumers don't have a clue of what chipsets that Intel rolls out and in a sense that's ok, but I'll add they probably have little knowledge about the slow 5400 RPM drive and iGPU as well.

That may translate into frustration on their part. They'll be complaining about how slow their computer is after spending nearly 2k and I guess they have a point.
 
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maflynn said:
I'll extend your logic one more step. I agree most consumers don't have a clue of what chipsets that Intel rolls out and in a sense that's ok, but I'll add they probably have little knowledge about the slow 5400 RPM drive and iGPU as well.

That may translate into frustration on their part. They'll be complaining about how slow their computer is after spending nearly 2k and I guess they have a point.
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Totally agree with this. They would argue that compared to the cheap Dell they could have bought, the system performance should match the premium price!
 
toughboy said:
Question is: Can that "Iris Pro Graphics 6200" gfx card run recent games @4k without any issues or not?
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Nope. That gpu can't even run 1080p with no issues. Maybe on older games you'll get decent FPS at 1080p.

In my gaming PC i have 2 high end GPUs (Fury X) and i still have problems with some games at 4k.
 
majkom said:
So, what exactly is imac now? FB wall browsing device? Quite expensive, dont u think?
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AN iMac is an all-in-one computer, and so not excelling in any particular task.
But it's a capable computer, with a great display and a wonderful design to keep on your desk.
Expensive ? For sure, like any other Apple's device.
iMac used to contain "notebook-like" components, in the recent past. Due to its nature, is not a gaming machine.
Office automation, photo editing, even video editing, web browsing .... a lot of things you can easily do with an iMac.
Not gaming ...

Flusspferd said:
There are quite a lot demanding games on the AppStore like Shadow of Modor, Arkham City and Metro Last Light. Needless to say that these are often watered down by default, or you have to play them on lower settings, which is a shame really. Just read the reviews.
iMacs indeed are not meant to be full gaming rigs. But still you could have a better gaming experience, if Apple would put some effort into oGL (they are even a member of the Khronos group who develops oGL) and better hardware.
There are plenty of people who enjoy OS X and love playing games.

But Apple cares more about their margins and thus using third grade mobile chipsets and integrated GPU's with low RAM and outdated HDD's in their newest iMac line-up and offer really hefty upgrade prices. It's a pity.
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the iMac form factor doesn't cope with good dGPU implementation. Deal with it.
you have to manually assemble a tower computer by yourself if you want to play on a 4K display
AN iMac would mean a nightmare for thermal control ...
 
maflynn said:
The 2013 21 inch iMac had a dGPU, and the 27" iMacs have dGPU. The small form factor of the MBP has a dGPU. I'd say the form factor has nothing to do with dGPU, but rather Apple's decision to omit it.
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Exactly..
Max(IT) said:
AN iMac is an all-in-one computer, and so not excelling in any particular task.
But it's a capable computer, with a great display and a wonderful design to keep on your desk.
Expensive ? For sure, like any other Apple's device.
iMac used to contain "notebook-like" components, in the recent past. Due to its nature, is not a gaming machine.
Office automation, photo editing, even video editing, web browsing .... a lot of things you can easily do with an iMac.
Not gaming ...


the iMac form factor doesn't cope with good dGPU implementation. Deal with it.
you have to manually assemble a tower computer by yourself if you want to play on a 4K display
AN iMac would mean a nightmare for thermal control ...
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I'm able to use my current 21.5-inch (late 2012) iMac for gaming. May be worth mentioning that I only use it in boot camp because in OS X has been slow from day one and it's now practically unusable for anything more than basic web browsing, and even that lags. So on Windows 10; only problem I have with gaming is performance could be better if vram was greater than 512mb, and perhaps if I had i7 rather than i5. But gaming still runs fairly well!

This is why I was interested in seeing what I could get if I was to upgrade this year, but then Apple came out with this ridiculous update and now it looks like I'll have to move away from iMac. I really like the iMac design though.
 
Max(IT) said:
the iMac form factor doesn't cope with good dGPU implementation. Deal with it.
you have to manually assemble a tower computer by yourself if you want to play on a 4K display
AN iMac would mean a nightmare for thermal control ...
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Really?? I write that from my mbP which is thinner than an iMac and still has a dedicated GPU. And the former iMacs used to have dedicated GPU's too as maflynn already pointed out.

AN iMac is an all-in-one computer, and so not excelling in any particular task.
But it's a capable computer, with a great display and a wonderful design to keep on your desk.
Expensive ? For sure, like any other Apple's device.
iMac used to contain "notebook-like" components, in the recent past. Due to its nature, is not a gaming machine.
Office automation, photo editing, even video editing, web browsing .... a lot of things you can easily do with an iMac.
Not gaming ...
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I highly doubt the 21 iMacs are really a good choice for 4k video editing.
Alone for that high resolution screen, a dedicated GPU makes much more sense. Especially if you edit 4k footage. Not to mention the 8 gigs of RAM and the slow HDD. If you ever worked with After Effects, Premiere, or FinalCut you know how hardware demanding those tasks are.
 
chromite said:
People buy them because they have no idea what Broadwell is. Ask a random Mac user what generation CPU is in their iMac and they won't be able to tell you and the reason for this is because they don't care.

Clearly you don't understand the demographics of Apple's user base if you can't see why people buy their products.
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Intel Broadwell, released in June 2015, defined OBSOLETE and you agree with him ? Seriously ?

Flusspferd said:
Really?? I write that from my mbP which is thinner than an iMac and still has a dedicated GPU. And the former iMacs used to have dedicated GPU's too as maflynn already pointed out.
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Mostly "notebook-like" dGPU, not so much better than the iGPU used here.
 
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maflynn said:
The 2013 21 inch iMac had a dGPU, and the 27" iMacs have dGPU. The small form factor of the MBP has a dGPU. I'd say the form factor has nothing to do with dGPU, but rather Apple's decision to omit it.
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Did you realize the Iris Graphics 6200 is better than the dGPU used in the 2013 iMac ? It performs similar to dGPU like the GeForce 940M
 
Max(IT) said:
Did you realize the Iris Graphics 6200 is better than the dGPU used in the 2013 iMac ? It performs similar to dGPU like the GeForce 940M
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The quality of the GPU was not my point. You stated that the iMac couldn't hold a dGPU given its form factor, I refuted that with evidence that it once did and the 27" iMac does hav one.
 
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maflynn said:
The quality of the GPU was not my point. You stated that the iMac couldn't hold a dGPU given its form factor, I refuted that with evidence that it once did and the 27" iMac does hav one.
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my only point is the lack of dGPU isn't such a drama since the iMac isn't a gaming machine by any means... and it uses a decent iGPU.
To define "obsolete" and underpowered such a computer is, in my opinion utterly ridiculous and just another excuse to bash Apple.
The only thing I agree is ridiculous is the 5400RPM HDD in the base model.
 
jerwin said:
It's a device for viewing the iPhone 6s's ultra hd videos...
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...Because the new Apple TV can't do that either. So they had to make the new iMac to watch 4k on.
Max(IT) said:
downgrade ? Did you actually try that keyboard ?


If you buy an iMac to play video games you are buying the wrong computer ... All this whining about iGPU and at the end what's the matter ? games !
Are all of you 15 yo or something like that ?
I'm shocked ...

I'm not happy about some aspects of these new iMacs, like the price and the HDD, but most of the whiners here are just kids wanting a computer for gaming.
The iMac wasn't, isn't and won't ...
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Funny though, i have a late 2013 27" iMac.

Bought it with a 3.5 GHz (Core i7), 3 TB Fusion Drive, GeForce GTX 780M with 4GB of graphics memory. I left the ram stock at 8 GBs and upgraded it myself to 32GB for about $220 AU.

And i can game pretty dam well on it even at 2560 by 1440 sure it's non retina, but it's still a fairy high screen rez.

I can play any game i want, maybe not all on the highest possible settings, but nothing looks poor on it nor has to run on anything below medium detail.

So what your saying Max(IT) is that if you want to buy a multi purpose computer, one that can get work done, play a multiplayer FPS etc well... Sorry folks you can't... Here at Apple we don't make computers that can game.
Well actually couch couch, you could by a Mac Pro for only about twice the amount of a PC gaming rig.

I repeat, i can game with ease on my iMac.

Funny...

But point being, with them all at 4 and 5k, you're kinda screwed. Not even the high spect 27" 5k will run any new game at a playable FPS.

And imo, dropping the screen res isn't an option. Everyone with sense knows that running an LCD panel at anything other than native looks **** house.
 
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Max(IT) said:
my only point is the lack of dGPU isn't such a drama since the iMac isn't a gaming machine by any means... and it uses a decent iGPU.
To define "obsolete" and underpowered such a computer is, in my opinion utterly ridiculous and just another excuse to bash Apple.
The only thing I agree is ridiculous is the 5400RPM HDD in the base model.
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5400 rpm, 24GB SSD part in 1TB fusion drive, same integrated GPU for retina and non retina imac (retina one will be slow dog, whatever u say)... and all that with premium prices, that is what makes people angry, not any planned apple bashing..
Why do you believe that we want to bash apple for no reason? Most of us are loyal apple customers and fanboys, BUT here we see that apple is far from being vendor that really cares about user experience and product quality first.. times are changing...
 
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MacRumors said:
The redesigned keyboard has a reengineered scissor mechanism …
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The only good news here is that you can still buy the 'Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad', but I wonder for how long? Not easy to find though, thanks to Apple's 'simplification' of the online shopping experience. Go to the Mac accessories page and look for the teensy-weensy 'Browse all' link at the top right. Then clock 'Mice & Keyboards', then scroll down the page a bit and you're there! Phew.
 
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I wonder why everyone is debating the usefulness of a decent GPU in the context of gaming only. You surely must have heard of OpenCL by now. Hardware Acceleration is found on more and more Applications that are not considered to be "Professional Grade Software" only. Video and Photo-editing for example is more popular and more accessible than ever thanks to the plethora of devices that are with us all the time.

Every time you hear Tim Cook speak he is so adamant about telling people that Apple is making "the best" devices and the reality I'm afraid is far from that. You can always argue that in terms of usability they are, and I'm with you, but even usability needs to be seen in the context what else is out there. I wish they would trade some of there magicalness with a bit of common sense.
 
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super tomtendo said:
Lets be honest here... Apple kind of sucks lately.
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Yes, yes it does. Tim and Eddie seem to be more concerned about delivering pink hardware and running a radio station you need to pay for (the return of DRM on music). Hey Phil....remember "Can't innovate, my ass..."?? Well that was over 2 years ago. I haven't seen anything come out of Apple since the Mac Pro that made me excited. Not in software (which is really, really bad these days) or hardware (Apple Pencil with no eraser function - are you kidding? How the heck did you guys miss that one? Wacom figured it out years ago, while MS included it with their new stylus). New keyboard is.....thinner??? WTF??? The Great Apple Slide continues...
 
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pushingrobot said:
21.5" iMac
No Skylake on the 21.5
Integrated video for a >4k screen? It's about as good as you'll find for integrated, but still...
Despite the huge drops in component prices over the last year, Apple's upgrade prices haven't changed in years.
256GB SSD upgrade for $200 (a decent one costs ~$75, or about $30 more than a the 1TB HDD you're upgrading from)
Fusion drive is down to 24GB(!) of flash on the 1TB model and that 24GB costs $100 extra. Yes, that's over $4.00/GB when flash prices are close to $0.25/GB.
16GB RAM upgrade for $200 (again, the extra 8GB costs around $30).
Rumors of soldered RAM? Have to wait for the teardown. The last model was a pain to disassemble but at least possible to upgrade.
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