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Apple Launches New App Store Feature Section for Alternative Maps
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"I've come to notice that anytime anyone says "good luck with that", it's usually proceeded by the most asinine statement you could possibly imagine.
The new maps app not being as good is only part of the problem on this board. It's all the cheesy people coming out to defend it, despite the fact that it's practically indefensible. These are usually the same people who claim they buy Apple products because they're the best, bar none, and provide the superior mobile experience.
Until they don't.
Then it's all blubbering, calling people haters and android fans, suggesting they take their business elsewhere, or the much hated "well it works for me ".
I've said this, I dunno, a thousand times before, but it always bears repeating. I just can't believe that there are some people so emotionally invested in a company that admitting any wrongdoing on their part would be akin to asking them to give up a limb.
Apple dropped the ball big time. You don't have to go around saying it's not a big problem, because it is. Millions of people relied on the old maps, and the new ones aren't anywhere near up to par yet."
^ Everyone has emotion invested in the things they like. As a skeptical, independent atheist I'd like to think that I keep an "open mind" when it comes to claims.
In this instance... I think it's obvious. The vocal minority (along with the chastising Android fanboys) have created a field day for the media... which in turn created a headache for Apple. (Who responded appropriately.)
Apple Maps works fine. It's not perfect - neither is Google Maps.
The main issue is that Apple Maps is not up to par with Google Maps. But Google Maps wouldn't be where it is right now without Apple.
But none of that matters. Google wouldn't include important features so Apple decided to go it alone. And their Map application is awesome. Not perfect... but still a helluva Map application.
What bridges have you driven off of by using Apple Maps?
More specifically - how has a mobile app impaired your quality of life exactly?
It's a phone right?
The new maps app not being as good is only part of the problem on this board. It's all the cheesy people coming out to defend it, despite the fact that it's practically indefensible. These are usually the same people who claim they buy Apple products because they're the best, bar none, and provide the superior mobile experience.
Until they don't.
Then it's all blubbering, calling people haters and android fans, suggesting they take their business elsewhere, or the much hated "well it works for me ".
I've said this, I dunno, a thousand times before, but it always bears repeating. I just can't believe that there are some people so emotionally invested in a company that admitting any wrongdoing on their part would be akin to asking them to give up a limb.
Apple dropped the ball big time. You don't have to go around saying it's not a big problem, because it is. Millions of people relied on the old maps, and the new ones aren't anywhere near up to par yet."
^ Everyone has emotion invested in the things they like. As a skeptical, independent atheist I'd like to think that I keep an "open mind" when it comes to claims.
In this instance... I think it's obvious. The vocal minority (along with the chastising Android fanboys) have created a field day for the media... which in turn created a headache for Apple. (Who responded appropriately.)
Apple Maps works fine. It's not perfect - neither is Google Maps.
The main issue is that Apple Maps is not up to par with Google Maps. But Google Maps wouldn't be where it is right now without Apple.
But none of that matters. Google wouldn't include important features so Apple decided to go it alone. And their Map application is awesome. Not perfect... but still a helluva Map application.
What bridges have you driven off of by using Apple Maps?
More specifically - how has a mobile app impaired your quality of life exactly?
It's a phone right?
Why, even when Tim says it's a bad app, are you still apologizing?
You totally missed the point in the post you just quoted...
'Why do you keep botching quotes like that ? Use the quote button on the bottom of posts. You don't copy paste "quotes".'
^ lol @ botching quotes. Yeah so the Quote button - which I have been using - isn't working for me do to my outdated browser. I'm not copying and pasting quotes.
"How do you figure it's overblown ? People have issues, they presented them, some made pages about such issues (the tumblr), and there's plenty of examples around. It's just not Apple quality. Apple addressed it because they recognize it's not up to their usual standards of excellence."
^ Some people have issues... sure. But they are in the minority by a long shot. Where is your personal example or are you just riding the "whine line"?
"It's also a bold face lie. Google offered Apple turn by turn, AT THE COST OF making sure Apple brands the feature as Google and their whole Maps as Google and that they build in Latitude into the solution instead of as 3rd party app as it is right now."
^ Speaking of "bold".
"Apple didn't go along with it, preferred to build their own, albeit sub-par, solution."
"albeit sub-par" - KnightWRX
^ In your opinion and only for now. BTW what's your opinion based off again? Other peoples opinions?
How many buildings have you driven into using Apple Maps?
^ lol @ botching quotes. Yeah so the Quote button - which I have been using - isn't working for me do to my outdated browser. I'm not copying and pasting quotes.
"How do you figure it's overblown ? People have issues, they presented them, some made pages about such issues (the tumblr), and there's plenty of examples around. It's just not Apple quality. Apple addressed it because they recognize it's not up to their usual standards of excellence."
^ Some people have issues... sure. But they are in the minority by a long shot. Where is your personal example or are you just riding the "whine line"?
"It's also a bold face lie. Google offered Apple turn by turn, AT THE COST OF making sure Apple brands the feature as Google and their whole Maps as Google and that they build in Latitude into the solution instead of as 3rd party app as it is right now."
^ Speaking of "bold".
"Apple didn't go along with it, preferred to build their own, albeit sub-par, solution."
"albeit sub-par" - KnightWRX
^ In your opinion and only for now. BTW what's your opinion based off again? Other peoples opinions?
How many buildings have you driven into using Apple Maps?
Do you really think that those who have driven off bridges while following Apple Maps are in any shape to post on the forum about it?
"Why, even when Tim says it's a bad app, are you still apologizing?
You totally missed the point in the post you just quoted..."
It's called Public Relations aka PR. He was forced into making an "apology". (For an app that works just fine.)
I'm not making an apology. It works fine for me and the MAJORITY of its users.
What has been your own personal experience using Apple Maps and how has it affected your quality of life?
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"Do you really think that those who have driven off bridges while following Apple Maps are in any shape to post on the forum about it?"
^ This... was hilarious! Well played sir.
You totally missed the point in the post you just quoted..."
It's called Public Relations aka PR. He was forced into making an "apology". (For an app that works just fine.)
I'm not making an apology. It works fine for me and the MAJORITY of its users.
What has been your own personal experience using Apple Maps and how has it affected your quality of life?
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"Do you really think that those who have driven off bridges while following Apple Maps are in any shape to post on the forum about it?"
^ This... was hilarious! Well played sir.
I think it is funny how Apple doesn't list the TomTom app as a map alternative 
I am not sure who is at fault for the map inaccuracies. The maps themselves, and the vector thing are pretty good. I find the map graphics pleasant, etc. However, I was checking the map for inaccuracies around me and found it appalling that they had the wrong address for a high school that has been in the same place for more than 40 years, hospitals that have been razed (not that long ago) still showing in the map (not the satellite view, though
Anyway, I have sent a bunch of map error reports, let's see how serious they are about fixing things. Apple has to throw some money and people into it, that's the only way to fix it, the correct info is mostly out there, in Google Maps
I am not sure who is at fault for the map inaccuracies. The maps themselves, and the vector thing are pretty good. I find the map graphics pleasant, etc. However, I was checking the map for inaccuracies around me and found it appalling that they had the wrong address for a high school that has been in the same place for more than 40 years, hospitals that have been razed (not that long ago) still showing in the map (not the satellite view, though
Anyway, I have sent a bunch of map error reports, let's see how serious they are about fixing things. Apple has to throw some money and people into it, that's the only way to fix it, the correct info is mostly out there, in Google Maps
Not only that, he keeps missing the quote button.
^ Just hit the "Quote" button specifically for you.
Happy with the results?
Maybe I should "whine" about it until Mac Rumors issues an apology and fixes such a glaring issue on their forums.
It would make the forums a better experience in the long run right?
I agree. I just tried it yesterday and was impressed. I didn't think mapquest was even still around!
How do you define the majority ? Did you do studies, surveys ? What was your bassin of population for your survey ? What's your error margin ?
The simple fact is, it's all over the news because there is a very real backlash because there is a real issue here. Don't downplay it, you're not helping the situation, you're making these threads worse by insisting that people with "issues" are "overblowing". These posts you and others do, insisting that "all is fine, the problem is people whining!" are just serving to enflame the people who do have issues and want to be heard.
Apple has heard the people with issues. The PR proves it. I don't know why you feel after all of this the need to insist it's overblown. Make your point and move on, stop creating havoc and anger in these threads with your posts suggesting the users have no real issues when they do.
Why do you not use the quote button at the bottom of posts ? If you're going to participate in this forum, learn to use it properly. Deciphering which parts of your posts are quotes and which are your statements isn't making it easy to reply to you.
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Yes, finally. Why didn't you use it before ?
What issue with the MacRumors forums are you talking about ? The fact that you don't know how to use them ? There's a guide already there for that, so that the forum is a better experience. Read it, learn to use it.
What "whining" could you do here ? Whining that you don't know how vBulletin works ? No one can fix that but you.
You don't know Marketing and PR, so why not stop arguing about it.
No it doesn't, it might work fine for You - the "majority" part is just a guess.
(This is the behavior of Apple apologists: "me and every other sane user")
It doesn't work - and since I'm using Maps a lot sometimes it's affecting my user experience. I have posted about this in other threads - find them if You really want the answer (I suspect You do not).
You're not supposed to remove the quote tags btw.
Yeah, but there comes a point. A fine line, if you will.
Obviously I'm imagining the shortcomings of the new maps app, because I'm a a pagan who just ate a bison's heart to absorb it's power, and I'm a little too overly emotional to make a clear judgement call at the moment.
Mooo.
Logical freethinking shows me that the thing everyone is complaining about isn't all that bad because if they were logical they wouldn't be complaining because they'd realize it's cognitive dissonance that's making them complain because they can't come to terms with change because super powered invisible sky wizard evolution richard dawkins meme.
Or maybe they don't like the new map apps because it's severely disappointing, and Apple apologized for releasing it a little too soon. The true logical conclusion would be that there's a reaction for every action.
I hear that all the time. Yeah, you're right. Google Maps isn't perfect. I've seen it display a number of errors on it from time to time. Up until recently, it had the local high school listed as a Waffle House and a flower shop. It's fairly far from perfect.
That doesn't make Apple Maps being considerably less than the the less than perfect Google Maps justifiable.
Mind expanding upon this topic a little more?
Read any number of KnightWRX's responses on the issue. It isn't so much Google wouldn't, so much as they couldn't. They're rather petty reasons on both sides of the fence, and blame should be handed out in equal measure to everyone involved.
I will say this, it's a helluva map front end. It's quick, easy to use, and quite nice. The maps themselves are a little lacking. They're incomplete, more difficult to read due to lack of color differentiation, and have absolutely no feature comparable to streetview.
I can't call it a helluva map application until the maps are at least a little better than lackluster. Right now, all I can say it that it's a great framework for one.
I have to say that while I like the covenience of asking Siri when I need directions, I'm afraid I'm going to have to heed Tim Cook's advice and go back to using MotionX for the time being.
The last two places I've tried to get to here in Metro Atlanta with Apple Maps in the past week put me a half mile off. It got me on the correct street, but in both cases, it told me I had arrived about a half mile before I actually reached the destination. I reported the problem and moved the pin where it should have been.
In both cases, before I kept driving and found the businesses, I wondered if the they had once been where Apple Maps pinned them but had since been closed or moved.
I will say that Apple Maps got me to the new Verizon store that had only been open for six weeks or so on iPhone 5 launch day. Google Maps didn't have the new location listed yet. Aside from that one glimmer of hope I had with Apple Maps, the experience has not been very good.
The last two places I've tried to get to here in Metro Atlanta with Apple Maps in the past week put me a half mile off. It got me on the correct street, but in both cases, it told me I had arrived about a half mile before I actually reached the destination. I reported the problem and moved the pin where it should have been.
In both cases, before I kept driving and found the businesses, I wondered if the they had once been where Apple Maps pinned them but had since been closed or moved.
I will say that Apple Maps got me to the new Verizon store that had only been open for six weeks or so on iPhone 5 launch day. Google Maps didn't have the new location listed yet. Aside from that one glimmer of hope I had with Apple Maps, the experience has not been very good.
There's a "real issue" with the link that you previously posted that claimed iOS Maps was "missing" hundreds of "cities/towns" in Ontario, Canada. The list that guy developed is riddled with names that don't show up on Google Maps either, and technically don't even qualify as cities or towns.
Tempest in a Tea Cup
Impossible, because Google is reserving some features of its maps app for Android. I don't fault Google for that. Apple maps would always be playing second fiddle. Consumer Reports reported yesterday, 120928, that it found little to favor either Apple's new maps or Google maps on Android over the other. It mentioned the flaws in Apples maps, but CR's bottom line was that Apple and Google both provide a good solution for standard software and consumers will benefit from the competition and concomitant improvements to both applications.
Take-home message: Apple will improve its maps software and this will be looked upon in future as a tempest in a tea cup.
The fuss is due to the fact that Apple customers have the highest expectations from their hardware and software of any cohort of technology users. This would be just as big a story if the new Apple Maps had just one defect--a well known landmark a few meters from where it ought to be, for example. That's would be an imperfection, and Apple users aren't accustomed to those.
Android is riddled with malware. Do you see that on the front page of the NYT? No. It's not news and users aren't up in arms about it because they have lower expectations from their stuff than Apple users have. The first time a bit of malware hits iOS the President will address a joint session of Congress, there will be bipartisan agreement that something needs to be done, and Iran and Israel will join forces to hunt down the perpetrator. Arizona will rule that Latinos are human beings, after all, and Fox News will give an accurate report on the entire situation, though it will disagree with the Arizona ruling.
Impossible, because Google is reserving some features of its maps app for Android. I don't fault Google for that. Apple maps would always be playing second fiddle. Consumer Reports reported yesterday, 120928, that it found little to favor either Apple's new maps or Google maps on Android over the other. It mentioned the flaws in Apples maps, but CR's bottom line was that Apple and Google both provide a good solution for standard software and consumers will benefit from the competition and concomitant improvements to both applications.
Take-home message: Apple will improve its maps software and this will be looked upon in future as a tempest in a tea cup.
The fuss is due to the fact that Apple customers have the highest expectations from their hardware and software of any cohort of technology users. This would be just as big a story if the new Apple Maps had just one defect--a well known landmark a few meters from where it ought to be, for example. That's would be an imperfection, and Apple users aren't accustomed to those.
Android is riddled with malware. Do you see that on the front page of the NYT? No. It's not news and users aren't up in arms about it because they have lower expectations from their stuff than Apple users have. The first time a bit of malware hits iOS the President will address a joint session of Congress, there will be bipartisan agreement that something needs to be done, and Iran and Israel will join forces to hunt down the perpetrator. Arizona will rule that Latinos are human beings, after all, and Fox News will give an accurate report on the entire situation, though it will disagree with the Arizona ruling.
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Riddled ? You pointed 1 example.
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You shouldn't, because they don't. They offered those features to Apple, with some strings attached. Apple chose to not have those strings and went with their own solution instead.
Amen someone with common sense,apple isn't making things worst but apple "fans" do with their arrogant way.
Sometimes i feel embarrassed that i use the same products with those people(i am talking about those that insist that the sky is blue and everything is peechy with apple maps,when in reality the **** hits the fan).
I find no point in discussing this anymore since those people will never change,its a same but there is nothing we can do about it.
Naahh. The iPhone debacle will be memorized like a bump in the road, a phrase ordinarily occurring with more distance than Obama's recent use of it referring to recent deaths of four Americans in Libya.
It was the very first name on the list, and if you continue to check these supposedly missing "cities/towns", you quickly find that many of the names listed are community or area names, not actual cities or towns. Baxter, Ontario is an example of that. Essa, Ontario is a township and Baxter is a community name within that. And some are completely missing from Google Maps as well, like Badjeros, Ontario.
That doesn't mean that iOS 6 Maps shouldn't include community or area names, but it's also highly misleading to claim that they're "cities/towns".
Out of curiosity, I did a search for Badjeros, ON on the iOS5 map app, and it found it no problem.
So it's not completely missing from Google Maps.
edit: ...and proof. I have no idea how exact it is, but it did nail it after a single search.
You could consider them towns or suburbs quite easily, and should be included in any search.
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And some are properly placed on Google Maps and not Apple Maps. There were 2000+ queries, 400 worked. If you want to do the same full exercise on Google Maps to compare how much that service isn't perfect either (everyone knows that), then go right ahead.
The point is, iOS 6 got 20% of queries right with its Geolocation search API.
BTW, I just took a random sample that's broken in iOS 6 Maps, Adolphustown Ontario, and it showed up perfect on Google Maps. Will I be saying "Tempest in a tea cup" ? Of course not.
He used an official list from the government website. Not sure what's misleading about that. Are you saying the government is misleading ?