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The negativity here seems kind overblown. WWDC 2017 was very hardware-focuses with bumps to all of the MacBooks and the iMac’s got a pretty decent upgrade with Kaby lake and much better GPUs.

Yes, it’s been a year but doesn’t refresh aggressively. It’s just their nature. There are many things they can and should do, but it’s not like Macs are unusable (except the Mini)
 
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I was faced with a decision earlier this year: buy a "new" MacBook pro or go with the big iPad Pro. My 2012 Macbook (retina) is still going. And I love that machine. It has survived drops and is still chugging away, albeit slowly now. The clincher for me is what others have stated more eloquently than I: buying traditional Mac computer hardware now is essentially buying a computer that is several years old and badly flawed. This drove me to the iPad Pro and I'm sure simply adds to the data points that Apple wants to prove its own point: people don't want computers anymore. But that's not true for me at least. I simply couldn't justify the (large) expenditure on a dated and flawed piece of hardware. My iPad Pro is great, but it's not quite a replacement yet (hello file system). Apple's hardware right now is reminding me of the bad old days. That ain't good.
 
MBP:

1. Keyboard. Seems to be largely fixed now.
2. What problems with battery?
3. I'm with you on the MagSafe; but there are several 3rd-party alternatives. 30 Seconds on Amazon. Ooh, that was hard!

https://www.amazon.com/Basevs-Magnetic-Macbook-Devices-6-6FT-Black/dp/B079NJM3VS/
4. You can connect your iPhone just fine with the proper cable. 10 seconds on Google. Ooh! That was hard!

https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+lightning+to+USB-C+cable&oq=apple+lightning+to+USB-C+cable

5. 16 GB RAM limit. Talk to Intel.

6. Shipped with "basic" HD. MBP and iMac Pro are ALL SSD (iMac Pro from 1TB to 4TB). 21" iMacs (which are obviously for educational and light office/home use) do ship with 5400 RPM HDDs. So what? 27" iMacs are all 1 TB or above Fusion Drives or SDD. So, what are you saying again?

7. Have to use several "dongles". No. Just. No. Just have to get ONE multiport DOCK for about $50. Here's a nice one. Took 30 secs. on Amazon. Oooh, that was hard! And there are DOZENS more configurations and price-points to choose from.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074XY15CJ/ref=nav_timeline_asin?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Or, if you don't need VGA, but do want Gig Ethernet:

https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-Charging-Ethernet-1000mbps-Microphone/dp/B07B3T2SCS/

And in fact, at the other end of the spectrum, you can even go up to something like this THIRTEEN-port TB3 Hub for around $350 (they also have a 12-port model for $289, which drops the FireWire):


https://www.amazon.com/OWC-12-Port-Thunderbolt-Cable-Space/dp/B01N51P3BB/

But you will notice they ALL are just a SINGLE unit (not multiple-dongle-hell!), and ALL connect to the Mac with a SINGLE CABLE. Plus, they are ALL small enough to throw in a computer bag/backpack.

Either you are working for Apple, or you are just trying to make la-me excuses for a bad MBP design.
The problem with the keyboard is still there and not fixed. FYI, Apple is being sued with a class action lawsuit. I tried one myself and compared to the old Keyboard it seems like a toy keyboard.

Why do we need to spend in an extra dock when we are buying a very expensive MAcbook so called "Pro". MBP should work out of the box.
The PR and users response was so bad, that Apple came just one week after they released it with a half price on all adaptors... What a joke.

Why do we need to buy an extra cable for the iPHone...? It is an Apple product, not a 3rd party, and cannot even connect to our own MBP??

It is pathetic that you are even putting links to amazon? Do you have a business account with them?Otherwise I do not understand why would put so many links and making excuses...

The latest MBP, was so bad that many of my Pro users returned it after a week.
It has nothing of a Pro machine...even less to justify the high price of $2400.00 with a useless touchbar.
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There are more respectful ways to correct misinformation than the manner you had done which is what I am calling you out on.

I'm not arguing about the "Pro" being misleading and neither am I saying that applications are unable to use > 16 GB of memory. I was saying that most apps by themselves do not make use of 16 GB of RAM. If we're talking about creative professionals, they generally will have a work station to handle this.

Like LordVic was saying, the more relevant issue arises around parallelism which is a more relevant situation.

I disagree, although we might have a desktop, the whole idea of a MBP, is to be portable and do work on the road.
I can tell you multiple apps that can use 32ram. 16RAM is just plain Lame...
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Been using Apple for over 26 years. Not much longer...

The reality, is a complete Apple computer line up that is outdated or ridiculously expensive.
1- iMac design was updated 8 years ago, except internal components.
2- Mac mini... does anybody remembers when was last updated?
3- MBP with touchbar, a complete design joke.
4- iMac Pro, very nice, though, ridiculously expensive and cannot update internal HD.
5- Mac Pro, trashcan, another computer fiasco. How many years ago they said they were going to update it?
I remember Schiller and Federighi, making an interview on how much they care about the Pro community... Really???
 
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I’m sure Apple appreciates your concern. But there’s no need to panic, iMac and MacBook Pro are updated yearly. We’re not yet halfway through the year, though I know it’s hard to wait!

I do expect that MacBook Pro keyboard to be revised again, but I doubt you’ll get a thicker, heavier machine. I don’t think the touch bar will go away, rather it will be improved.

Mac Pro updates are long overdue. The product management of the Pro was badly mis-handled; Apple has a lot to prove over the next 6-18 months, whenever the new platform is released. My guess is that Apple will have something their customers will like, but people will complain they’re too expensive.

iMac Pro is the best iMac ever, though more computer than most need, and as always people complain they’re too expensive.

For its target market, the current Mac mini is adequate, but people complain they’re too expensive. Newer generation processors and TB3 support are definitely overdue, however those upgrades may never come, if the mini is discontinued.
While I hear your argument, I would say that, for me, I want a powerful machine that can run todays software (i.e. i7 quad core cpu and at least 4 gb video) that doesn't make me buy a built in monitor that I don't need (iMac) or pay the premium for a laptop. That isn't that hard to understand. I am willing to pay for what I want but not for what Apple makes me buy.
 
I disagree, although we might have a desktop, the whole idea of a MBP, is to be portable and do work on the road.
I can tell you multiple apps that can use 32ram. 16RAM is just plain Lame...

Right. I can name off some for you off hand: video editing software that have several clips sidebanded and music production software with several samples.

If you're not tethered to Apple software, maybe this is their message for you to do work on a PC instead if RAM is a requirement.

I'm not against 32 GB of RAM. I'm just saying Apple could give 2 ***** and a giggle about this type of user.
 
While I hear your argument, I would say that, for me, I want a powerful machine that can run todays software (i.e. i7 quad core cpu and at least 4 gb video) that doesn't make me buy a built in monitor that I don't need (iMac) or pay the premium for a laptop. That isn't that hard to understand. I am willing to pay for what I want but not for what Apple makes me buy.
The current mini has a 28W CPU, there’s little to no additional thermal budget available with the current design (and demand would be low), so I don’t think you’ll see a discrete GPU. But with Thunderbolt 3 you could use an external GPU, if the iGPU is not sufficient for your needs. If Apple does update the mini (I think they will), there likely will be a quad core, now that Intel has finally released a 28W quad core U-series CPU.

The problem is that you want something that not a lot of other people want. The mini has never sold well. Laptops are 80% of sales, and iMac probably close to 15%. Is Apple really going to bother putting a lot of resources into a model that sells maybe a half million units a year?
 
The current mini has a 28W CPU, there’s little to no additional thermal budget available with the current design
It think its possible, just look at some of the gaming laptops and what they're running. I'm not saying the mini should have the components of a gaming rig, but I think its possible to decent thermals in the current enclosure.
 
For me it's fairly simple. I will upgrade my laptop this year, and I'm willing to wait until Q4. I have 4 cores, 16 GByte RAM now, and I'm hitting the buffers. Next machine will have to have 6-core, Gen 8 Core, 32 GByte.

If Apple delivers, fine. If not, the XPS seems to be just fine.
 
The current mini has a 28W CPU, there’s little to no additional thermal budget available with the current design (and demand would be low), so I don’t think you’ll see a discrete GPU. But with Thunderbolt 3 you could use an external GPU, if the iGPU is not sufficient for your needs. If Apple does update the mini (I think they will), there likely will be a quad core, now that Intel has finally released a 28W quad core U-series CPU.

The problem is that you want something that not a lot of other people want. The mini has never sold well. Laptops are 80% of sales, and iMac probably close to 15%. Is Apple really going to bother putting a lot of resources into a model that sells maybe a half million units a year?


The same chassis for the Mini in 2014 was housing a 45w CPU. Apple downgraded the CPU within the same chassis that didn't have thermal problems before.

Apple just cheaped out and provided a weaker product with shorter lifespan. then they wondered why it sold so bad, and since it sold so bad, decided it wasn't worth updating anymore. Circular logic at their finance.
 
Either you are working for Apple, or you are just trying to make la-me excuses for a bad MBP design.
The problem with the keyboard is still there and not fixed. FYI, Apple is being sued with a class action lawsuit. I tried one myself and compared to the old Keyboard it seems like a toy keyboard.

Why do we need to spend in an extra dock when we are buying a very expensive MAcbook so called "Pro". MBP should work out of the box.
The PR and users response was so bad, that Apple came just one week after they released it with a half price on all adaptors... What a joke.

Why do we need to buy an extra cable for the iPHone...? It is an Apple product, not a 3rd party, and cannot even connect to our own MBP??

It is pathetic that you are even putting links to amazon? Do you have a business account with them?Otherwise I do not understand why would put so many links and making excuses...

The latest MBP, was so bad that many of my Pro users returned it after a week.
It has nothing of a Pro machine...even less to justify the high price of $2400.00 with a useless touchbar.
Depending on your peripherals, it DOES "just work out of the box". There are PLENTY of external drives, eGPUs, etc. that support USB-C/TB3. Those will require no "dongle" or "Dock". For the rest of the legacy USB-A devices, the ones with detachable cables are just a cable-replacement away from being 100% compatible with USB-C/TB3. Again, no Dock or Dongles. And as time marches on, which standard do you think will grow in adoption, and which one will fade away?

As for the iPhone? Grow up! Do you REALLY think that Apple needs to accommodate that ONE product, when you can either use a WiFi connection, or a simple cable replacement?

As for the links to Amazon, you're again being ridiculous. You couldn't find anything else to complain about when I handily supplied references to actual products you could inexpensively purchase to negate your "multiple dongles" meme. I linked to Amazon because they have a wide selection, good user reviews, and most people are familiar with them. What do YOU have against Amazon is the more interesting question, since you are the FIRST person to complain about using links to their site?

Don't like the new MBP? Don't buy it. It's as simple as that.
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Behind the Mac... a complete line up of Apple execs-designer, that are completely out of touch and do not give a darn about their complete Apple computer user base. People doing this ads are completely out of touch...
Been using Apple for over 26 years. Not much longer...

The reality, is a complete Apple computer line up that is outdated or ridiculously expensive.
1- iMac design was updated 8 years ago, except internal components.
2- Mac mini... does anybody remembers when was last updated?
3- MBP with touchbar, a complete design joke.
4- iMac Pro, very nice, though, ridiculously expensive and cannot update internal HD.
5- Mac Pro, trashcan, another computer fiasco. How many years ago they said they were going to update it?
I remember Schiller and Federighi, making an interview on how much they care about the Pro community... Really???
1 - Volvo sold a car for six years that was essentially identical for all that time.

HOW many DECADES did Volkswagen sell the original Beetle? And THEN, people clamored for them to bring it BACK!

Many pieces of electronic equipment are virtually unchanged for years and years. So what?

If a design is already fairly optimal, then why change it? MUST you change the chrome and tailfins EVERY YEAR just to show you are "innovative"? Give me a break!

2- I'm not going to argue on the Mac mini. Everyone knows it is sadly in need of an update.

3- The MBP sure sells a f*ton of units to be a "Failure", or a "Complete Design Joke".

4- People who use a computer like the iMac Pro NEVER keep their data on an internal hard drive. There aren't any that are large enough, period. So, the fact that the internal drive is un-upgradeable is of no moment with that product. Seriously.

5- I take Apple at their word when they say they realize that they need to re-imagine the Mac Pro, and that they are "on it". Are you REALLY going to complain about an issue that is already being addressed? Or do you want them to just rush something out, just to satisfy YOUR personal adgenda?

And yes, Federighi and Schiller DO care about the Pro community; otherwise, why would Mojave be adding Dark Mode and eGPU support, why would Logic Pro X and FCP X be given multiple, significant updates over the past couple of years, and why would the iMac Pro even exist?

You make no sense.
 
For me it's fairly simple. I will upgrade my laptop this year, and I'm willing to wait until Q4. I have 4 cores, 16 GByte RAM now, and I'm hitting the buffers. Next machine will have to have 6-core, Gen 8 Core, 32 GByte.

If Apple delivers, fine. If not, the XPS seems to be just fine.
Unfortunately Intel won’t be supporting LPDDR4 for MBP CPUs until next year, and Intel’s memory controller only supports 16GB of RAM with LPDDR3.

Apple could use DDR4, but that requires compromises Apple isn’t (or up until now, hasn’t been) willing to make. Apple designs for the 80-90% of the userbase that finds 16GB sufficient, and wants a thin, light, relatively quiet and powerful machine. No doubt they’d like to offer 32/64 GB—and have the extra profit that would provide—but it won’t happen until Intel’s Ice Lake CPUs are released. Fingers crossed they’re not delayed until 2020.
 
Not an earth-shattering idea; just a ridiculous one.

There are only so many PCI lanes on the CPU, and Apple chose to allow the USER to decide how best to utilize that massive amount of I/O bandwidth, rather than trapping it in some legacy ports that may, or may not, be useful to a particular user.

That's one way to look at it.

Another is to recognize that from a PCIe lane standpoint, one gets MANY legacy ports for a single USB-C port, and since
many peripherals are never going to be able to use the bandwidth offered by USB-C, having to allocate a USB-C port to it is grossly inefficient.


If USB-C docks weren't so plentiful and downright CHEAP, you would have an argument. But they are so you don't!

As you were told last week, even a 'cheap' one is still $40-$50, and they STILL represent one more external peripheral "dongle" to have to manage in one's auxiliary bag - - risk of getting left at home, etc.

And FYI, this response doesn't cut it:

With the exception of the OWC 12 and 13 port Docks, MOST USB-C Docks are about the size of a dollar bill, by 1/2" high, and weigh about 8 ounces.

Now I don't mean to be condescending or callous, but you've clearly never been a 'Road Warrior' for any appreciable period of time to really understand and appreciate minimization. As an old military saying goes, "85lbs of high tech lightweight gear still weighs 85lbs."

Look, if you're happy to be carrying around a ton of junk, that's your business - - but that also means that you're overpaying for a MBP instead of a big old Dell. Personally, I've travelled many times with carry-on bags that have sometimes been as heavy as ~45lbs ... stuffed with $10K+ worth of gear that can't go in checked baggage (theft risk) such that each opportunity to shave weight is seriously contemplated.

There are also SEVERAL USB-C Docks that are SPECIFICALLY designed to "clip onto" the side of the MacBook Pro.

At which point it then no longer fits in its minimized carry case/sleeve. Oops.

What you don't know is that I've flown enough to literally wear out two sets of Noise-Cancellation headphones. The third set came a bulkier case, so they quickly got kicked to the curb as "too bulky". What this really means is that it wasn't as important as the other stuff that was in the carry-on. I'm currently using Noise-Canceling earbuds, which I tried on a whim - - not only are they vastly easier to stow, but I've also found them easier to sleep while wearing them on trans-oceanic flights.

Oh, and they're also wired because flight regulations for "turning off all wireless" also means turning Bluetooth off too...and that's also an issue with a lot of travel - - many businesses have "no wifi" policies (security) as well as conference rooms with older AV equipment. As such, you're often still relegated to physically plugging in.

If you can't heft that, you need to stay home; you're too fragile for the real-world!

Thanks for the gratuitous Ad Hominem insult, for you've just discredited yourself.
 
That's one way to look at it.

Another is to recognize that from a PCIe lane standpoint, one gets MANY legacy ports for a single USB-C port, and since
many peripherals are never going to be able to use the bandwidth offered by USB-C, having to allocate a USB-C port to it is grossly inefficient.




As you were told last week, even a 'cheap' one is still $40-$50, and they STILL represent one more external peripheral "dongle" to have to manage in one's auxiliary bag - - risk of getting left at home, etc.

And FYI, this response doesn't cut it:



Now I don't mean to be condescending or callous, but you've clearly never been a 'Road Warrior' for any appreciable period of time to really understand and appreciate minimization. As an old military saying goes, "85lbs of high tech lightweight gear still weighs 85lbs."

Look, if you're happy to be carrying around a ton of junk, that's your business - - but that also means that you're overpaying for a MBP instead of a big old Dell. Personally, I've travelled many times with carry-on bags that have sometimes been as heavy as ~45lbs ... stuffed with $10K+ worth of gear that can't go in checked baggage (theft risk) such that each opportunity to shave weight is seriously contemplated.



At which point it then no longer fits in its minimized carry case/sleeve. Oops.

What you don't know is that I've flown enough to literally wear out two sets of Noise-Cancellation headphones. The third set came a bulkier case, so they quickly got kicked to the curb as "too bulky". What this really means is that it wasn't as important as the other stuff that was in the carry-on. I'm currently using Noise-Canceling earbuds, which I tried on a whim - - not only are they vastly easier to stow, but I've also found them easier to sleep while wearing them on trans-oceanic flights.

Oh, and they're also wired because flight regulations for "turning off all wireless" also means turning Bluetooth off too...and that's also an issue with a lot of travel - - many businesses have "no wifi" policies (security) as well as conference rooms with older AV equipment. As such, you're often still relegated to physically plugging in.



Thanks for the gratuitous Ad Hominem insult, for you've just discredited yourself.

1. Almost no real-world "fixed" (internal) use of PCI lanes is going to be 100% efficient in use of available bandwidth; so that argument is somewhat specious.

2. The idea of carrying a small Dock is that you don't HAVE to carry around multiple adapters (so-called "Dongles"). And if it just ONE thing you are packing, you are FAR less likely to "forget it" than if you have a bunch of separate things to keep track of. And if you are THAT worried, these Docks are generally not expensive-enough that you can't just LEAVE one in your computer-bag. Problem solved! And people who travel with Mac laptops (and many other non-Apple laptops) are already used-to packing an AC adapter and one or more video "breakout" "dongles". And there has been no gigantic outrage about "leaving THOSE behind". So, that whole "One more thing to forget" argument is simply non-specific to travelling with USB-C/TB3-equipped MacBook Pros. Speaking of cost, the approx. $50 price would quickly be exceeded if you decided to go the "multiple dongles" route; so again, all of your objections constitute a(nother) specious argument.

3. I haven't been a "Road Warrior" (as in "outside salesperson"), per se; but in my youth, I was a sound man for a traveling rock band travelling across the southeastern US continuously for about 2 years. So, I am well aware how weight and complexity of many relatively lightweight items can quickly "add-up" to a trunk-full of stuff that takes two people to lift! But again, with a "Dock", we really ARE talking about ONE typically 4 ounce device, that really IS smaller than carrying two packs of cigarettes (sorry! I'm a non-smoker; but still couldn't come up with a better comparison). So, again, with a "Dock", the burden gets LIGHTER, not HEAVIER.

4. Well, good thing the 2016/2017 MacBook Pros retained a 3.5mm headphone jack; soyou won't have to depend on BT headphones/earbuds...

5. I'm genuinely sorry; that really wasn't meant as an Ad Hominen attack. I should have phrased that as "If SOMEONE can't carry...", because I really WAS meaning "in general". Sorry for the confusion!
 
1. Almost no real-world "fixed" (internal) use of PCI lanes is going to be 100% efficient in use of available bandwidth; so that argument is somewhat specious.

To a degree, for the problem is that Apple severely limits their product variation, so the customer choice is highly constrained - the result is an "Apple Knows Best" over the Customer himself, which results in non-optimal product for a potentially very wide swath of customers. That's effectively why Apple's "All In" on USB-C has resulted in so much customer angst.

Similarly, consider the design of the "Trash Can" Mac Pro: it was a pretty well purpose built PC .. but effectively for only one extremely narrow niche of 'Pro' users (FCPX) - - everyone else got the shaft.

I've specifically looked at my own use case (YMMV of course) and found that my "Insurance" cost to replace my 'cheesegrater' Mac Pros with a 2013 MP setups was roughly +$2K per seat more expensive: an "Apple Tax" with no significant improvement in performance solely because of its 'tubular' BS requiring tons of expensive Thunderbolt peripherals to compensate for the lack of cheap-to-fill SATA bays.

2. The idea of carrying a small Dock is that you don't HAVE to carry around multiple adapters (so-called "Dongles").

Sure, but that still depends on the user use case for just which ports they need. To this end, a small dock and a single dongle can net out to be smaller (+cheaper) than a big "kitchen sink" Dock. Just which dock/dongle combination is ultimately a YMMV based on customer use case (see "We got lucky", below).

And if it just ONE thing you are packing, you are FAR less likely to "forget it" than if you have a bunch of separate things to keep track of.

And yet, when the ports are built into the laptop, this risk simplifies down to just the (laptop), which will always be lower risk than of the sum of { (laptop) and (dock) }.


And if you are THAT worried, these Docks are generally not expensive-enough that you can't just LEAVE one in your computer-bag. Problem solved!

Sure, but this wasn't the case when Docks still cost $200 each (again, see "We got lucky", below)

And people who travel with Mac laptops (and many other non-Apple laptops) are already used-to packing an AC adapter and one or more video "breakout" "dongles"

Sure, as well as to pay for packaging to keep it smartly organized to again minimize the 'forgot' risk. For example, an ThinkTank Powerhouse Air organizer can fit a MBP AC power adaptor and a couple of dongles and a complete iPad charger (cord & AC) and a couple of International AC plug adaptors and a short 6" AC pigtail (cheap & quite useful to be able to plug in multiple devices to run off of a single International adaptor plug), becoming a "single unit" from a packing logistics standpoint (risk of forgetting, etc). And sure, it could be used to accommodate a small Dock unit instead - - but in counterpoint, at (7.5” W x 3.9” H x 1.8” D) in size, its already beyond being a negligible addition to one's carry bag.

And there has been no gigantic outrage about "leaving THOSE behind"...

Except for the 6.022e+23 posts on MR that have grumbled about lack-of-ports on MB's & MBPs, that is... /S

Speaking of cost, the approx. $50 price would quickly be exceeded if you decided to go the "multiple dongles" route; so again, all of your objections constitute a(nother) specious argument.

Sort of.

First, we got lucky this time. When Apple went 'all in' on USB-C a few years ago, early adopters got screwed over; its really only been the last ~year that prices have finally become reasonable. The "yet another expensive proprietary Apple port" has always been a customer risk when dealing with Apple and this price break NEVER happened with Thunderbolt 1 or TB 2. And once again, its more so the Windows PC world we have to thank, not Apple.

Second, even though a small hub of "N" ports will trend to be a smaller price/weight/cube than an equal number of dongles, the problem is that this same engineering packaging paradigm is also true for the laptop + hub. This is the basics on the Engineering science of the packaging outcome of product integration.

Third, there's also the paradigm that the user use case doesn't actually need 13 (or however many) ports, so even though the "kitchen sink" hub is more compact than 13 dongles, it isn't smaller than just the 2 dongle he notionally only needs. Granted, there are big/medium/small hubs now available today which mitigate the magnitude of this ... its probably close to the point of being good enough. It similarly can also come down to how the external peripheral is to be physically managed too - - some form factors work better than others (example prior being a snazzy clip-on that as the unintended consequence that the laptop no longer fit in its carry sleeve/bag). The reality is that there will end up being hybrid use cases where the customer determines that a Dongle + Small Dock is a superior solution for them than just a "Kitchen Sink" Dock ... and overall, while the age of USB-C for everything is certainly the future, it still comes back to the question of just how well served were Apple's customers by Apple's decision to slam everyone over in a quite abruptly rude fashion?

3. I haven't been a "Road Warrior" (as in "outside salesperson"), per se; but in my youth, I was a sound man for a traveling rock band travelling across the southeastern US continuously for about 2 years. So, I am well aware how weight and complexity of many relatively lightweight items can quickly "add-up" to a trunk-full of stuff that takes two people to lift!

And that traveling rock band was probably Earthbound in a truck, as opposed to having to deal with commercial flights, particularly with how much of a royal PITA they've become over the last decade. You were probably more concerned about how much you personally wanted to lift/carry than being concerned about $100/bag overage fees on every flight you board, etc. And all of this doubles-down when we also talk about carry-on logistics of the expensive bits that airlines refuse to insure in checked bags, theft, etc.

Oh, and FYI, there's a lot of business travel for reasons other than being a 'salesman'. Case in point, here's a summary inventory pic of just the ~$2K worth of "miscellaneous" small stuff in organizer bags which was then stuffed in the nooks & crannies of a couple of carry-on bags for a trip from ~18 months ago.

But again, with a "Dock", we really ARE talking about ONE typically 4 ounce device, that really IS smaller than carrying two packs of cigarettes (sorry! I'm a non-smoker; but still couldn't come up with a better comparison).

A spare set of eyeglasses in a hard carry case. But even so, the principle ultimately involves the trade-off decision of having to leave something else behind...and the reason why I happened to have chosen 'eyeglasses' is that for me personally, they're a critical "mission failure" risk that pragmatically requires double- to triple- redundancy.

So, again, with a "Dock", the burden gets LIGHTER, not HEAVIER.

You've half correct. You're correct in that the Engineering science of product packaging through integration invariably means that the sum of N devices (dongles) will be greater than an integrated dock of the same, but you're also incorrect because you didn't take a "System" approach: you don't need the dock without a laptop, so just as N dongles is made smaller through integration into a dock, the system of a Laptop+Dock is made smaller by making it into a single integrated product (e.g., laptop with ports).


4. Well, good thing the 2016/2017 MacBook Pros retained a 3.5mm headphone jack; soyou won't have to depend on BT headphones/earbuds...

Plus (and YMMV but important to me) it also represents fewer batteries to manage. FWIW, it travels in a ThinkTank Powerhouse Tablet organizer bag, along with another iPad & two iPhone chargers & three cords, plus another 6" AC pigtail, EU adaptor, and a few other tidbits.

5. I'm genuinely sorry; that really wasn't meant as an Ad Hominen attack. I should have phrased that as "If SOMEONE can't carry...", because I really WAS meaning "in general". Sorry for the confusion!

Thanks for that acknowledgment. When I've discussed minimization strategies & issues in the past, I've run into trolls who has used that same sort of "chest beater" statement.

The reality is that it really really sucks to travel at times, and having heavier bags doesn't make it more fun. There's few things more delightful than to be on a Trans-Atlantic overnight flight and trying to settle in for some sleep when one realizes that that sniffle is just the start of a nasty 48 hour bug ... utterly zero sleep on the flight, resulting in a bad case of jet lag on top of the illness ... and its Brussels in February, now barely able to stand even without one's suitcase+laptop bag ... AND THEN we find that the idiot new Agent who booked the trip didn't pick our usual hotel that was an easy 100ft stroll from the metro because they saved $10/night. So now we're schlepping all our stuff several blocks down narrow streets, across cobblestones (wheels hurt more than they help) trying to find the damn place, with pounding sinuses ... and oh yeah, its raining now too...

... and then when slowly & finally getting there at ~10AM, because its not the hotel that we've had a long relationship with, the front desk says that its way too early for check-in and to not come back for check-in until after 3PM.


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The only reason they released a base 13” with 128GB storage is to offer something cheaper for those on a tight budget. Folks can add external USB 3.1 gen2 (10Gbps) SSDs which is the same as Thunderbolt 1 for pretty cheap today.

And why the hell would I want to buy a portable machine and then have an external SSD dangle off it? Do you keep your laptop bolted to your desk? Sheesh...
 
These ads seem wrong. Aren't Apple's products luxury lifestyle items? Many cool creative pros have switched to PC.
 
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And why the hell would I want to buy a portable machine and then have an external SSD dangle off it? Do you keep your laptop bolted to your desk? Sheesh...

I don’t and I bought a much larger driver for my machine but that doesn’t mean that everyone can afford to. It is just an option. Everyone’s needs are not the same. The base 128GB 13” is a great machine for people who are not working with tons of video and photos. For journalists and writers it is sufficient.
 
If I could but a date on when the mac died it would be Jan 31st 2011. Its when they stopped making Xserves.
 
Started watching a new show on Hulu, and this ad keeps showing nearly every break. It has become so annoying that I am now seeing it as Apple thumbing their nose at the people that by their Mac hardware.

Here is the message the audio ("The Story of an Artist") this ad now conveys for me:
1. Out of tune
2. Out of date
3. Only appeal is sentimental reasons, and if you don't know the context for the sentimentality, then it sucks to be you.

Which leads to the connections of:
1. Mac hardware is out of tune (it's annoyingly buggy, but that's what makes it so endearing)
2. Mac hardware is out of date (duh)
3. The only reason to buy a Mac is not what is can do, but for sentimental reasons so you can be part of that "elite" group that is in the know, otherwise, it sucks to be you. In other words, Mac hardware is NOT an intuitive and incredibly useful creation tool, but is a MERE fashion accessory to help you feel hip.

I have to rapidly mute this add every time it comes on now, because all it does is make me angry that Apple have let their computer line languish so. Will the Mac Pro or the MacMini see an update before they reach the 5 year mark when Apple declares them "legacy" hardware, or the 7 year mark when they are declared "obsolete"?

In this case, Apple is its own worst enemy, and any success is in spite of itself.
 
Started watching a new show on Hulu, and this ad keeps showing nearly every break. It has become so annoying that I am now seeing it as Apple thumbing their nose at the people that by their Mac hardware.

Here is the message the audio ("The Story of an Artist") this ad now conveys for me:
1. Out of tune
2. Out of date
3. Only appeal is sentimental reasons, and if you don't know the context for the sentimentality, then it sucks to be you.

Which leads to the connections of:
1. Mac hardware is out of tune (it's annoyingly buggy, but that's what makes it so endearing)
2. Mac hardware is out of date (duh)
3. The only reason to buy a Mac is not what is can do, but for sentimental reasons so you can be part of that "elite" group that is in the know, otherwise, it sucks to be you. In other words, Mac hardware is NOT an intuitive and incredibly useful creation tool, but is a MERE fashion accessory to help you feel hip.

I have to rapidly mute this add every time it comes on now, because all it does is make me angry that Apple have let their computer line languish so. Will the Mac Pro or the MacMini see an update before they reach the 5 year mark when Apple declares them "legacy" hardware, or the 7 year mark when they are declared "obsolete"?

In this case, Apple is its own worst enemy, and any success is in spite of itself.
Laptops and iMac are about 95% of sales. Apple updates MacBook Pro and iMac every year.

Mac Pro and Mac mini represent somewhere around 5% of sales. They are both overdue for updates.

Now that iMac Pro is available, expect the Mac Pro market share to drop to the 1%-ish level of the Mac mini. But I think they’ll continue the platform even though sales volumes will be low.

It seems like Mac mini might have a future as well, based on Cook’s teasing a future announcement last October. I hope so because I personally like it and would like to upgrade.

Hopefully Apple will get back to a reasonable update schedule for the Pro and mini, probably every 2-3 years is the best we can expect.
 
2-3 years is the best we can "expect" from a nearly trillion dollar company? I'm willing to cut the underdog slack but certainly not Apple of 2018.
For products that sell in such small quantities, and whose components typically change very little year over year—especially the Pro, where new Xeons aren’t a yearly occurrence—yes. Every 2-3 years. Maybe 2 for the Pro and 3 for the mini. You’re not going to get yearly updates for products that sell so few units, especially the mini, being at the low end.

MacBook Air doesn’t get yearly updates either. iMac Pro won’t be updated at least until the Xeon W-series is updated by Intel, and even then probably not unless AMD has their new generation Navi GPUs shipping. So likely mid- to late 2019, which would be a 1.5-2 year upgrade cycle.
 
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