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They should be embarrassed too even be running this ad, trying to create sales for outdated hardware. Disgusting really. You don't launch an ad like this unless you have new hardware otherwise you run the risk of ridicule in the media and with the user base.

I think it’s what’s called an ‘awareness’ campaign, as they call it in marketing speak.

This isn’t about driving sales to a product - it’s more of a ‘mood/empathy’ piece where you are conveying a message to a target market

So I think its message is:

‘Hey creatives - we haven’t forgotten about you. You’re important to us. You’re the crazy ones. The Mac is for you. Stay tuned. Good things are coming’.

Let’s hope that we don’t have to wait too long!
 
The problem is. when you call a device "PRO" there needs to be the assumption that it's going to be configurable enough to account for a wider range of options than most consumer devices. Pro (to get away from the idea of work vs non work since work is pretty subjetive), generally means that the computer itself can scale to the workload that it is required to perform.

For many people, who want Apple computers, who need high end performance needs, 32gb might very well be a requirement. By not even providing this option (Even if it has battery life affects), Apple has put a ceiling on their "Pro" line that many who want/need 32gb cannot cross.

I have 32 Gb on a hackintosh, due to my usage pattern it's barely enough. I really hope they'll put out a proper expandable mac pro where I can run 64 G. I also need a lot of storage, so a ssd-only system won't cut it.
 
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Not to mention the base mac specs are so low and upgrades so expensive these days. 128 gig starting storage is a bad joke that is just going to spoil the experience for whoever buys it. SSD is $800/TB on a MBP and $933 for the iMacPro. Compared to $400 for top end SSD and sub $200 for basic SSD outside of AppleLand.

The only reason they released a base 13” with 128GB storage is to offer something cheaper for those on a tight budget. Folks can add external USB 3.1 gen2 (10Gbps) SSDs which is the same as Thunderbolt 1 for pretty cheap today.

I also want to dispel the notion the that 13” MBP was ever a pro machine. They have always been weak on performance. The only pro MBPs Apple has released are the 15” and 17” models. It was true a decade ago and it’s true today. You still have people talking about keeping their mid-2012 non retina machines with an HD4000 iGPU but complaining that performance on the updated models is garbage? How does that make sense. There is a huge difference between a SATA III SSD and a PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe based blade or soldered SSD. NVMe is still really expensive even at retail prices and Apple’s custom SSDs are top performers.

Where can you buy a 1TB NVMe SSD for less than $500-600? Maybe used.
 
Until I see the results of a MIL-SPEC "Sand and Dust" test, we're going to have to wait and see if it REALLY has been fixed.



True, you can do that, but it is a trade-off: they all add weight & bulk to your carrying - - even the smallest docks are comparable in size+weight of adding a second AC charger when you're on the road.

And this is why the single-purpose dongles have a modest edge for weight & cube.

And its also why its frustrating to see Lenovo's & Dells that are functionally not really any different in size/weight than a MBP but have substantially more ports built-in...these designs obviate the need to carry a dock on the road.



Case in point: MSRP $350 and over a pound.




Please. That product is intended to set up a desktop docking station - and even though you "can" it realistically isn't intended to travel with.

After all, there's been lots of "portable" claims over the decades.

Such as the original Mac as well as the US Army's 75mm Pack Howitzer .

Just because you can do something, doesn't automatically mean its a feature ... or even a good idea.


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With the exception of the OWC 12 and 13 port Docks, MOST USB-C Docks are about the size of a dollar bill, by 1/2" high, and weigh about 8 ounces. If you can't heft that, you need to stay home; you're too fragile for the real-world!

There are also SEVERAL USB-C Docks that are SPECIFICALLY designed to "clip onto" the side of the MacBook Pro. Those add about 2 inches to the side, and are DEFINITELY designed for "on the go" use. Here's a couple. There are MANY more:

https://www.amazon.com/HyperDrive-Type-C-Adapter-50Gbps-MacBook/dp/B01MUAEI7J/

https://www.amazon.com/Elando-Thunderbolt-Dock-MacBook-2016/dp/B078PB8HJ2/
 
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Actually, it does wash, because "thermals", to me as a potential customer, are not just about the heat generated. It's also about the heat not exhausted.

The case is not working for eliminating heat. It's too tight in there! This is why I'm considering other manufacturers who actually have figured this out and can run desktop CPUs and GPUs in their laptops.
Well, those "other manufacturers" all come with a hidden price:

Windows 10.

Enjoy.

If you want a Desktop, then by all means get a Desktop. But there is little sense in trying to make a laptop into a half-assed Desktop, just for a VERY small segment of the population.
 
they are removing everything useful or nice (magsafe, USB-A, SD card reader, glowing logo, not replaceable or extendable SSD etc etc)) and creating something what many find terribe. I literally hate MBP 2016/17.

Me too... I purchased the late 2016 MBPTB and also have a 2015 MB (which I actually like better than the MBPTB) yet I find myself still returning to my early 2011 MBP as its keyboard is more reliable, and just overall build feels better than all the light, thin and fragile notebooks of late. Current notebooks could sure use a lot of work, especially in replacing those Sh!te keyboards!
 
I’m sick and tired of this misinformation, where do you get that 2% figure? Every single old mac I came across, either from cousins, parents, siblings, friends etc, all had upgrades at some point, you know why? Because 99% people at some point complain their machine is slow and seek help/service, and upgrading ram/sdd solves it.

And 2017 MBPs with soldered 256gb ssd is a travesty, most people fill up their ssds and will need to trash the machine. IT NEEDS to be upgradable, no excuses.
As I said, I'm sort of with you on the upgradeability. Unfortunately, it does seem to be an industry-wide trend, especially in laptops.
 
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Ah, the old "It doesn't suit MY use-case; so it is IRRELEVANT to ALL!

The problem with your dismissive attitude is, you are talking about a market that, while fascinating, is not where Apple wants to play. But you are right that Apple fully-understands what it takes to play that game. That's why they have all but killed-off anything even approaching that sort of market. But it is a wise company that chooses its markets carefully, and then concentrates their resources thereon.

That is where it is going. Business above a modest size are going to have server rooms. They are going to have IT staff, or a contracted IT support vendor.

I am on the IT staff of my company, and I support OTHER IT staffs for other companies. That is what I DO, and I have been doing it, as one of the only Apple-friendly and knowledgable technicians around, for more than 15 years... and I have been supporting macs since I was in school, long before that, and grew up with an original 1984 mac in the house since it was introduced.

I work in a company of 20 staff people, not 200, not 2000. TWENTY, and we have VM scalable infrastructure. The server and network infrastructure is there regardless of whether we would use VMs or stand-alone workstations.

The question is: Does there need to be a whole additional set of high-powered workstation infrastructure to support at the same time.

The answer is... NO.

I don't have to deploy, support, upgrade, maintain, and keep spares for 25-30 workstations in various facilities, in case any single one fails and loses it's configuration and it's locally stored data. I keep a few monitors, keyboards, mice, and a couple of almost-zero-config thin clients that can be swapped in an hour or less, while the staff member works on their VM at an adjacent desk, or in another office, without major interruption.

Instead of the last PC tower replacement I did for another company, where backups, troubleshooting, replacement, spin-up, and information systems software re-installation and data migration was 13 billable hours, spread over a holiday weekend of my time, and a staff member of that company, because it was mission critical for monday morning business.

That labor alone, between me and their in-house staffer, cost that company more than the PC workstation hardware.

Think about it: For every person like you that can fully utilize a distributed processing environment and IAAS workflows with "thin clients" (oh, how many times has THAT idea come and gone?!?), and the support-staff to set it up and keep it working smoothly, there are literally about a MILLION people (no exaggeration!) that are more properly served (no pun) by a traditional desktop or laptop workstation. And yes, it IS wonderful that macOS is actually a Certified UNIX (something that Linux will never be!), and continues to be a solid, no-nonsense, SECURE OS under-the-hood; but that doesn't mean that it is any less relevant because your Mom uses it to keep up with her sewing-circle. I think you would agree that an Azure instance or any other IAAS would be EXTREME overkill for something like that. But there is still a need for something that is a bit more than an iPad Pro, or maybe even quite a bit more than an iPad Pro. And quite frankly, those use-cases FAR, FAR, FAR outnumber those like you have described above.

Setup is a bigger project. Support afterward, especially with remote access... is orders of MAGNATUDE less time consuming and costly. I have already provided an example, even for a small business with only a few users.

Not to mention much more fault tolerant and less likely to lose vital data, if done correctly by someone who knows what they are doing.

BTW... Mom and Pop keeping up with their sewing circle, or their fishing trip pictures, or checking email... is done on a mobile device now, not a full computer... and if so, it is merely tradition and habit, on a computer they bought at a big box store, including the MacBook from Best Buy. That market is already served, mature, and fading away from full-boat personal computers, to easier, friendlier, more portable, more versatile tablets and smart phones. Apple has that covered.

Businesses that produce things, be it service, product, or content, from machine parts, to IT services, to architecture, engineering, or construction, to cultural entertainment material... is all production, and it all requires computing power, and that is where Apple is losing ground every minute of every business day, which is 24/7 for some industries.

That computing power is in a server cluster, or a server farm, not on a desktop. If you are installing desktops for that, you are on the trailing end of the obsolescence curve, and you are selling your customer a dying infrastructure that isn't even close to future-ready.

It isn't my use case. It is the state of information systems and information technology. Network bandwidth is expanding faster than microprocessor power is... and it is allowing microprocessor power to be centralized, virtualized, redundant, and scalable, in an infrastructure location BUILT for that.

My company just installed a new data center, because of that fact, and that demand.

It's just two different worlds. Neither one is better; but it's going to be a LONG time before all the secretaries of the world are going to have a thin-client on their desk, with all the "real work" being done on some AWS or Azure server-cluster somewhere.

Oh, and talk about "Lock-in". THAT's Azure!

Two different worlds... yes. And apple isn't in the one growing. They are in the mobile world that is reaching maturity, and they are in the old PC world that is fading into the past. In-home computing is being eaten alive by mobile devices, and dirt-cheap Walmart PC hardware for anyone who is too stuck in their PC habits to learn to use an iPad... which in itself is ridiculously easy to learn.

Business is the only other sector, regardless of what business is being done, including creative content production.

BTW... every secretary, and every staff member in our company has been on a thin client for years, and the support time on those machines has been cut by 85-90% since we left standalone PCs behind.

I would love to be able to tell our executives that we could have an environment MUCH better than Windows and AD/Azure/O365 to offer... but there isn't one, because the single largest-cap company in the world chooses not to move their better OS environment into that market space, to better serve the business customer, and better serve their bottom line, even just by HOLDING a percentage of marketshare, rather than losing it.

I have to ask, what part of 3-mode variable use cases seems locked in to you?
The traditional stand-alone PC mode, that Apple is already doing right now with every Mac OS computer, that you seem to think they are doing so well with, on outdated hardware, and good hardware designs that are never-the-less many years old. The general form factors haven't moved since the cylinder Mac Pro was introduced.

Or is it the thin-client VM host mode... which Apple is merely trying to emulate with Handoff, and other cross-device synchronizations... (which could be part of a Virtual-machine, Virtual-app, cloud-based burst-sync comprehensive methodology to distributed computing.)

Or is it the back-end support of that:
The VM-host server mode in a scalable product line, from home/small office, to medium server cluster, to large multiple distributed server cluster arrangements? With software that just works, modern and scalable hardware, and can be managed more easily by IT staff or by business owners/operators/staff without taking them away from their primary work... because the Mac OS X SOFTWARE is good, before Apple lets that fall by the wayside completely, too.

This is setting up for Microsoft to be un-challenged in pushing Mac OS out of what small business and production inroads they've had, because Mac OS is tied to out-of-date, expensive, and unserviceable equipment, and make Apple a non-presence in business. I came from the higher education sector in IT... if Apple has no place in business... they will lose their place in education, as universities are teaching to the business sector's needs. I am seeing both sides first hand.

Do you want Apple to be an iOS only company? Because this (the way things are going now), is how Apple loses it's professional computing business. The same way it did before Jobs came back... Apple didn't serve professional computing, and lost their shirt trying to chase what little was left outside of the workplace.

The only difference now, they aren't just competing against Windows PCs for consumer-grade computing sales. They have established consumer-grade migration to iOS mobile products, and pushed themselves and Windows OS further out of consumer-grade sales marketshare.

Go try to buy a consumer-grade PC tower. Go see how many fewer variants of laptops there are, and how many are ready-built, not built-to-order... and windows models that are selling at prices barely above where Netbooks used to be before mobile OS devices eviscerated that market in just a couple of years.
 
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You are ridiculous trying to make excuses for a bad Apple design.

The latest Macbook update (touchbar) has been one of the worst in Apple history.
1- a lame keyboard (which Apple is being sued by a class action lawsuit).\
2- Problems with battery
3- No Mag safe,
4- you cannot connect your own iphone
5- So called Pro, but limited to 16gbram
6- shipped with outdated specs
7- Have to use several dongles...

Way to upgrade Apple!!!


Watch out, his next Apple is current and all that and a bag of chips (when its' not currently) is coming. Guys living in his own personal reality distortion field. But you just go ahed and tell us Drooler! or should I say Tooler!
 
Well, those "other manufacturers" all come with a hidden price:

Windows 10.

Enjoy.

If you want a Desktop, then by all means get a Desktop. But there is little sense in trying to make a laptop into a half-assed Desktop, just for a VERY small segment of the population.

It’s interesting to think that all it would take to blow a hole in Apple’s Mac’s business would be for Microsoft to do the following to Win 10:

  • Make it not look horrible. Make the UX consistent. Update the old creaky built in apps.
  • Clear out the backwards compatibility cruft and make Windows lean and fast
  • Make the build quality of Surface computers a little bit better then they are - Macs still feel more polished
Fortunately for Apple, Microsoft is unlikely to do most of this as:

  • They have very little taste and will always prioritise what they feel are productivity gains even if the UX for these gains looks awful
  • Loads of people would scream blue murder at the thought of not being able to run applications from the days of windows XP.
  • Plus clearing our decades of backwards compatibility from windows will take ages.
  • They could make a SKU where they do clean out the cruft for pro users - but they only seem to doing this for S mode (which is meant for laptops to give long battery life) and for ARM
  • They could make Surface computers really really good. They’re very close to doing so.
However, if Microsoft WAS able to complete the modernisation of the Windows UX and under the hood etc the Mac might be in big trouble.
 
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The thing fo me:
Will there, or will there be not a "modular" 2019 Mac Pro? Based on Xeons and TB3 eGPU's, i.e. a real workstation?
Probably not as external GPU's have no place in a workstation machine.
I know it has been stated, but seeing is believing.
I have this feeling Apple doesn't really want to sell a new x64-based Mac Pro, but move over to ARM and an AX based "security chip", locking down macOS akin iOS.
If they lock down Mac OS it will be the last I see or the platform. I don't think they will do that, especially after the push back they have gotten with the Mac Pro and other so called professional machines. If they don't understand the importance of open now they never will.
It's strange how quickly "Classic" Mac OS became outdated: 1984 - 2002: 18 years.
M(m)ac( )OS( X) as desktop OS is lasting 18 years now too: 2000 - 2018.

Lets be honest classic Mac OS didn't remain competitive for much more than 8 years. The rest of the usage time was a holding pattern they flew while trying to develop a replacement.
 
This is great and do you know why? unlike Microsoft in order to promote their product they have to state how much better than the MacBook it is. Apple do not have to resort to comparisons not that I am a great fan of the latest generation hardware and USB-C but credit to Apple anyway.
 
It’s interesting to think that all it would take to blow a hole in Apple’s Mac’s business would be for Microsoft to do the following to Win 10:

  • Make it not look horrible. Make the UX consistent. Update the old creaky built in apps.
  • Clear out the backwards compatibility cruft and make Windows lean and fast
  • Make the build quality of Surface computers a little bit better then they are - Macs still feel more polished
Fortunately for Apple, Microsoft is unlikely to do most of this as:

  • They have very little taste and will always prioritise what they feel are productivity gains even if the UX for these gains looks awful
  • Loads of people would scream blue murder at the thought of not being able to run applications from the days of windows XP.
  • Plus clearing our decades of backwards compatibility from windows will take ages.
  • They could make a SKU where they do clean out the cruft for pro users - but they only seem to doing this for S mode (which is meant for laptops to give long battery life) and for ARM
  • They could make Surface computers really really good. They’re very close to doing so.
However, if Microsoft WAS able to complete the modernisation of the Windows UX and under the hood etc the Mac might be in big trouble.
Microsoft is in enterprise because they recognize that every feature, API, application, and UX concept that they release must be supported on business-length timelines.

And because of how business works, those timelines are usually around a decade long.

So as much as it may offend modern aesthetic sensibilities, Microsoft knows that once they include the Control Panel and get IT departments to support, adopt, adapt, deploy, and manage it, they can't simply "take it away' because their UX designers came up with a better metaphor.

That dedication is one of the reasons why Microsoft is a successful computer company, and Apple as a *computer* company will always be eating the scraps from the big boys' table.

EDIT: For clarification, I mean that Apple computers have always had single-digit market penetration worldwide. And such low enterprise penetration that it can safely be rounded to zero. (True story.)
 
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Microsoft is in enterprise because they recognize that every feature, API, application, and UX concept that they release must be supported on business-length timelines.

And because of how business works, those timelines are usually around a decade long.

So as much as it may offend modern aesthetic sensibilities, Microsoft knows that once they include the Control Panel and get IT departments to support, adopt, adapt, deploy, and manage it, they can't simply "take it away' because their UX designers came up with a better metaphor.

That dedication is one of the reasons why Microsoft is a successful computer company, and Apple as a *computer* company will always be eating the scraps from the big boys' table.

EDIT: For clarification, I mean that Apple computers have always had single-digit market penetration worldwide. And such low enterprise penetration that it can safely be rounded to zero. (True story.)

Thanks, that’s a great insight.

I guess things like this are why many companies are still reluctant to even leave Win 7.

I wonder why MS hasn’t created a ‘future forward’ version of Windows with all the modern UX updates etc for those that want to run modern software on ultrabooks etc

Then a longer term corporate version which prizes compatibility and that changes very slowly (but that still has all the patches and security updates etc)

And finally a version similar to the corporate version for conservative consumers but without bitlocker etc.
 
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This simply untrue. A lot of creative professionals do their work on laptops. A laptop with up-to-date specs is perfectly adequate for a great many creative tasks. In my area, music, this is particularly true. Dorico, for example, Steinberg's new notation software, has been carefully designed with laptop users in mind. Workstations are an option, but not essential.

We are probably talking about different areas.

In my area with video editing for studios, they are typically done on Avid workstations. You can get some work done on laptops, but final production is usually sent through via workstations.
 
Seriously? Apple has been trying to convince us for years that creative professionals and other pro users can get by just fine with just an iPad.

"Apple has been trying to convince us for years that creative professionals and other pro users can get by just fine with just an iPad."

You are intentionally and disingenuously misquoting what Apple (Tim Cook) has said on the subject. Why?

All that does is diminish your credibility.
 
Thanks, that’s a great insight.

I guess things like this are why many companies are still reluctant to even leave Win 7.

I wonder why MS hasn’t created a ‘future forward’ version of Windows with all the modern UX updates etc for those that want to run modern software on ultrabooks etc

Then a longer term corporate version which prizes compatibility and that changes very slowly (but that still has all the patches and security updates etc)

And finally a version similar to the corporate version for conservative consumers but without bitlocker etc.
They have done exactly that several times.

The trouble is that even if they green-field it and start from scratch, they will still have to roadmap, plan, support, patch, update, upgrade, etc. THAT version for the next decade. So they will have therefore forked Windows, increasing their workload and dividing their userbase.

Instead they returned to the hardest possible road that also happens to be the road most likely to lead to long-term success: They spent 20 years building newer concepts into their old OS, while waiting for the old bits to gracefully "age out" on a timeline that enterprise could tolerate.

That's why Windows 10 is now on the verge of becoming a service, which is an incredible feat.

By the way they did the same thing with real server OSes, which is mind boggling.

Meanwhile, at the kids' table, the Fruit Company's plans for any given feature or management tool are a secret. IT departments find out that something is changing or gone on the same day that it changes or is gone.

Imagine setting up management and security on 1000 laptops (or servers) and then finding out one day that the vendor changed the pathways that you were using for control.

Universities famously experience this the hard way since they have (or used to have) mac computer labs. You would come to school one day and 400 macs would be unusable because Apple changed how they bind to a domain. SURPRISE!

It's literally impossible for enterprise to take a risk like that, so they don't. That's why you don't see mac in enterprise in any meaningful way.

If you haven't tried Windows 10 in the last year, you would be surprised. It's really, really good. And really, really secure. And really stays out of your way. Reminds me of MacOS at the start of the 2000's.

Nadella knows what he's doing. And the results are apparently in sales and market penetration.
 
They have done exactly that several times.

The trouble is that even if they green-field it and start from scratch, they will still have to roadmap, plan, support, patch, update, upgrade, etc. THAT version for the next decade. So they will have therefore forked Windows, increasing their workload and dividing their userbase.

Instead they returned to the hardest possible road that also happens to be the road most likely to lead to long-term success: They spent 20 years building newer concepts into their old OS, while waiting for the old bits to gracefully "age out" on a timeline that enterprise could tolerate.

That's why Windows 10 is now on the verge of becoming a service, which is an incredible feat.

By the way they did the same thing with real server OSes, which is mind boggling.

Meanwhile, at the kids' table, the Fruit Company's plans for any given feature or management tool are a secret. IT departments find out that something is changing or gone on the same day that it changes or is gone.

Imagine setting up management and security on 1000 laptops (or servers) and then finding out one day that the vendor changed the pathways that you were using for control.

Universities famously experience this the hard way since they have (or used to have) mac computer labs. You would come to school one day and 400 macs would be unusable because Apple changed how they bind to a domain. SURPRISE!

It's literally impossible for enterprise to take a risk like that, so they don't. That's why you don't see mac in enterprise in any meaningful way.

If you haven't tried Windows 10 in the last year, you would be surprised. It's really, really good. And really, really secure. And really stays out of your way. Reminds me of MacOS at the start of the 2000's.

Nadella knows what he's doing. And the results are apparently in sales and market penetration.

Thanks. Fantastic insight.

I really appreciate what you’re saying about the corporate experience with deploying and supporting windows boxes over MS Windows boxes.

From my own experience about the Windows UX (and I’m not an expert in this):

I have tried Windows 10 in the last few years and I do find it to be bit of a mess!:

  • Some modern apps have the fluid design. Some don’t. Fair enough, MS is slowly getting to these one by one i.e. even Office (Office!) is going fluid (gradually)
  • Lots of different styles of right click and pop up menus!
  • In all seriousness, it does feel odd to use the new start menu and then to switch to the desktop and explorer which is the traditional desktop. I’m sure explorer will go fluid at some point but I’d imagine this will be one of the last apps to as it’s so critical to the Windows productivity experience
  • Settings and control panel. Ouch! Progress is being made. But.... Ouch. Although I get your point about compatibility and keeping lots of older control panel 3rd Party applets running
  • Windows accessory applications - still look like the windows 7 versions (and some even earlier). Ok this is a minor thing and I know that ms have made a way for apps built on older frameworks to get fluid design
  • And finally, in general windows feels like it’s a mash up of the older Win32 ideas with the new fluid look and it can often feel jarring.
I know that ms have now got a windows experience division, so let’s hope that they unveil a big update for next spring fixing much of these issues I mentioned above. The fall update seems to be shaping up to be pretty minor.
 
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