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That's great, but meanwhile, RIP 5/6 of our family's iMac G5s. Though my brother's PowerMac G5s are still running.
Apple Launches Repair Program for Late 2013 Mac Pro Video Issues
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pat500000
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I did...hardware. Not too long ago..i was actually able to get my hardware fix...even if it was out of warranty with them. They fixed my fan problem. I had to pay out of pocket..but they were able to fix my computer. If this answer doesn't satisfy you...well...(which I don't think it will)...then let's move on.
jblagden
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How much did they charge you for the fan replacement?
pat500000
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approx 200.
jblagden
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1. Parts and labor?
2. Was it just a fan or also the heatsink? One or two?
pat500000
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parts and labor...only fan.
jblagden
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I guess that’s a $100 fan.
pat500000
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Yeah. I don't know how much 3rd party version cost...or if they even sell it.
jblagden
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Which fan was it? The front fan? The rear fan? Or the PCIe fan?
pat500000
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back area.
JamesPDX
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I think DOD and critical-infrastructure components -as well as servers are banned from having lead-free solder in their innards. "No case has ever been documented of lead poisoning resulting from solder in electronics." Here's an interesting read: http://www.skeptically.org/env/id2.html
and also http://www.militaryaerospace.com/ar...-free-solder-a-train-wreck-in-the-making.html
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MH01
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I think you were making a comparison to the D series being equivalent to the FirePro W series, say a D700 is a W9000, correct you are, the problem is that they are not, they are a hybrid , cause apple is not loosing money on these machines/cards
Let's make is very clear the D700 is not the W9000, the specs differ. The w9000 out performs a D700 by about 50%. Given the w9000 is about 3k each, how much would you be willing to pay for a crippled version? That amount is what apple / AMD agreed , and it's in the Mac Pro, and turns a profit. Technically they cans use parts that fail w9000 manufacturing and use them in the D700s, and they are underclocked.
Yes the D series are not plain 7970, they are a crippled version of the W series, and they had to be crippled for heat and power reasons hence the performance hit, cause someone decided the new Mac Pro needed to look really nice instead of being functional .
I just call them 7970s as they are underclocked due to the power and Thermal constraints of the dust bin design. W9000 is a proper designed desktop case based on the old Mac Pro design, now you have a machine. I thought was thinking of getting a macpro with D700s, until i researched it to realise they were handicapped due to the limitation of the PSU. I remember reading a review that under benching, the top end machine with D700s throttled due to the PSU being insufficient, very very poor, all so that the damn thing looks sexy.
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Michael Scrip
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Other manufacturers sell workstations with things called "PCIe slots" that accept ANY card you want!
What a concept!
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Other manufacturers sell workstations with things called "PCIe slots" that accept ANY card you want!
What a concept!
New mac pro has PCIe
just a little proprietary issues with the connectors linuxcooldude
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Yes, I've read the same AnandTech review. It took running a power virus, which were running two benchmarks simultaneously to get it to throttle. They were not able to throttle using a more realistic normal workload.
MH01
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The fundamental issue there was AnandTech treading , or should I say tip toeing around apple, a power virus is specific code that forces the components to run at maximum capacity, designed to stress and load test components. AnandTech bs'd about running a power virus , they just executed two benchmarks , not the same thing. Basically it does not matter, choose the right programs, day to day ones and you can stress the machine yourself.
Though you are correct for most people, they never push thier machines that far, though the design flaw still exists that the PSU insufficient
Though irrespective how you get the machine to run at 100% for CPU and GPUs , the design flaw is that the PSU is too small for the power needs.
Though the part people are missing is that with the underclocked D700s, the power is just enough . Had they made this thing bigger, no need to cripple and underclock the D700.
Apple placing design over functionality, will not make the dust bin bigger, they will claim huge performance boosts when they choose the next GPU which has lower power needs, and at small PSU can finally run a CPU + 2x GPU at full power .
linuxcooldude
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I'm more concerned with what real work it can accomplish, than how many stress testing apps it will run at one time. Benchmarks and data sheets do providing interesting information, don't tell the whole story. Its the end result thats more important than trying to appease the tech spec folks. I'm currently running 45% faster than my 2009 Mac Pro depending on my application. I'm seeing higher performance in DaVinci Resolve as I'm able to use both graphic cards. Something I can't do with my other Mac Pro even with two graphic cards, since only the nMP will support dual cards in the free version.
Michaelgtrusa
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Perhaps then Apple would need to have made the chassis bigger for the larger PSU.
You mean no soldering (containing lead) has ever ended up in a landfill anywhere in the world? And no lead-containing material in a landfill has ever resulted in soil or groundwater lead contamination?
And that is before looking at lead contamination during the production, from the mine to finished product.
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Apple doesn't guarantee the availability of spare parts for models it has removed from its 'supported' list. It might also decline to repair them. They might still sell replacement parts to third-party repair shops or they might have dumped their stock.
At any rate, the bottomline is that it might not be possible anymore to repair the models in question should something fail. At least not not in a manner as straightforward as with newer models. Ultimately one can repair almost everything that was mass-produced, one just has to find another unit and use it as a source for spare parts. But at that point, the repair cost is likely to surpass the value of the computer at hand.
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You mean CFLs only became an environmental problem when they moved from bathrooms, basements, offices, etc. into the living room?
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PinkyMacGodess
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No, CFLs were always an environmental disaster. Walmart just started selling hundreds of thousands a day because they were cheaper for them to buy, and the rubes would pay more for them because 'great deal'.Now billions of them are in landfills because no one wants to take them back and process them to remove the mercury.
But anyway, this planet is pretty much ruined...
FL have been used in huge numbers for decades in office buildings, factories and the like. Why have I not heard you complaining about them ending up in landfills all this time? Society had decades to be trained to not trash FL and recycle them instead. If it didn't care then, why does it suddenly care now?
Now billions of them are in landfills because no one wants to take them back and process them to remove the mercury.
Hello, I have saw that Apple is doing an action of replace the Mac Pro 2013 AMD D500 and D700 program about having freezing and video problem.But the program is not including the D300 mac pro which I bought it last year in Taiwan.I got some same issue of freezing and shutting down problem,and I saw a lot of people having the same issue too with the D300 on the internet. I think there is some problem with the mac pro 2013 and the AMD graphic card.Now I just want to know how to solve the problem of this machine to let it be stable for me to work.I want to know who has the same problem like me with the D300 6 core mac pro,and how can I do to replace a new graphic card in Taiwan.I hope Apple could add the D300 mac pro to the replace program.
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Spot on. The device would have been bigger.
Though by the time the second version comes out it will be fine, cause new AMD or nvidia cards are less power hungry .
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It's a better machine , I'd love one , but cannot justify the cost in 2016. If I ever get one, it will be just when the new one drops. If it works for you, enjoy it.
Michael Scrip
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New mac pro has PCIe
Interestingly... MSI announced a somewhat cylindrical PC called the Vortex that has the same sort of triangular internals as the new Mac Pro.
But the Vortex uses something called "MXM" or "Mobile PCI Express Module" for the graphics cards.
Apparently MXM is a standard for graphics cards. It was designed for laptops... but they work great in these space-constrained desktop PCs. In theory... a company could sell MXM graphics cards that you could use to upgrade your machine.
It's been two years since the new Mac Pro was came out... have there been any video card upgrades?
It sounds like Apple made a deal with AMD to produce the proprietary D300, D500 and D700 for the Mac Pro. You're probably gonna be stuck with those forever. Unless you want to throw out a $6000 computer to "upgrade" the graphics cards
Or they could have used a traditional tower case and standard PCIe 3.0 slots. That seems to work for everyone else
Look at this monster. LINK
Wouldn't it be nice to be able to just plug this into a computer?
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jnpy!$4g3cwk
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Some of the material on the links are interesting, but, it raises a few questions in my mind. First, what is the measured failure rate after N years in typical consumer electronics that are lead-free? Is it the same with all the lead-free solders, because there are a lot of formulations? I did see somewhere in there about the reliability of servers that are ten years old. Well, I'm kind of a packrat, but, even I gave up my 8 year old stuff. Most consumer companies seem to expect no more than three years for consumer electronics.
There are two broader questions. First, the military is pushing, or, has been pushed, to use COTS, because it is so much cheaper. But, lead-free solder is only one of the many issues with using COTS products. Heck, it is hard to get professional-grade anything these days (look at this thread!), let alone whatever MIL-SPEC said. Mass-manufactured electronics are the order of the day, and, anything that has different requirements is suspect. I don't have an answer for you, but, I think the answer is somehow to maintain the supply of ruggedized components.
Second, the problem with lead isn't that the lead on your electronics PCBs is somehow going to jump out and into your blood. It is the whole lead-based economy, and the fact that the environment would be better off if most of the lead economy disappeared. It isn't wacky-- small levels of lead exposure are measurably bad for people. And if electronics are only going to last 3-4 years, what difference does it make in practice? In another thread, there were statistics showing that virtually all the iPhones pre iPhone-5 are now gone. And to think I had a 3GS until fairly recently.
Servers? Do you really want something pre-Sandy Bridge?There is a lot I don't agree with in the throwaway economy, but, at least, if we make it the recycle economy, it is an improvement.