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still missing the point. if this product comes out, they will need to build and release the software. im not talking about open source.
no you don't get it. Apple will release the build to that product only. If they don't port it to ipads officially, there is no official way for users to choose to run it on ipads
 
no you don't get it. Apple will release the build to that product only. If they don't port it to ipads officially, there is no official way for users to choose to run it on ipads
and do you think somehow that is a good thing, or justified?

back to what i originally posted:

iPhone/low end iPad chip + screen (=iphone/ipad) + keyboard/trackpad + special build of macOS.

Is that not exactly what this is?
 
and do you think somehow that is a good thing, or justified?

back to what i originally posted:

iPhone/low end iPad chip + screen (=iphone/ipad) + keyboard/trackpad + special build of macOS.

Is that not exactly what this is?
I agree that if you dissect the new device (if it ever existed), it could well be reusing those hardware.

so there would be even less of a reason why someone who -chose- to run it on their ipad would not be -allowed- to.
What I don't agree is this suggestion, ipads users would probably have no choice unless Apple gives out this choice.

Honestly, if there ever existed this special build of macos that can be ported to ipads, they probably wouldn't have rolled out this crappy ipados 26, just so it can be replaced in about 6 months time.
 
youre missing my point. if there is a new low cost laptop rubbing on A series chips coming, the only missing piece is this special macos software build.

so there would be even less of a reason why someone who -chose- to run it on their ipad would not be -allowed- to.
A or M series, it doesn’t matter. The iPad doesn’t run macOS because there’s no special macOS build for the A series. They’re not fundamentally different.

The reason it doesn’t run macOS is that it’s not an operating system designed for touch-first devices.
 
iPadOS is no way close to productive even on a pure clerical perspective due to its messy file management and inability to open multiple documents on an OS level (not in app)
Actually the lack of complexity in that sense is what makes it so good for many productivity tasks. The iPad is just not the right device for the tasks I guess you’re thinking of, and it would still not be with macOS.
 
no, the reason is because apple doesnt allow it.
Why would you spend multiple posts positing that the budget macBook would be a reason for Apple to release MacOS for iPad if you already realize that this is the reason? What about this would make Apple change their policy?

If the MacBooks with touchscreens that are rumoured do get released with MacOS redesigned for touch, that could be a better argument, but as it is currently, MacOS doesn't really have a touch interface.

Either way, MacOS is dealer's choice, and Apple is the dealer, so you are far better off buying the device they offer that already comes with the OS you want, rather than buying one of their other devices hoping they will offer you a different OS later.
 
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Why would you spend multiple posts positing that the budget macBook would be a reason for Apple to release MacOS for iPad if you already realize that this is the reason? What about this would make Apple change their policy?

If the MacBooks with touchscreens that are rumoured do get released with MacOS redesigned for touch, that could be a better argument, but as it is currently, MacOS doesn't really have a touch interface.

Either way, MacOS is dealer's choice, and Apple is the dealer, so you are far better off buying the device they offer that already comes with the OS you want, rather than buying one of their other devices hoping they will offer you a different OS later.
its not the reason they would, its just more of a smack in the face. and not just ipad, iphone too, why not?
 
Actually the lack of complexity in that sense is what makes it so good for many productivity tasks. The iPad is just not the right device for the tasks I guess you’re thinking of, and it would still not be with macOS.
no my task is just simple text editing, which usually involves referring to 2 or 3 documents. the last time I used ipad for that, I had to export 1 document to PDF so that I can open it with Adobe to make 2 documents appearing in parallel.
 
its not the reason they would, its just more of a smack in the face. and not just ipad, iphone too, why not?
Most likely because they have tested it and realized that the user experience is horrible?

I personally find even the current multi-window experience in iPadOS bad, and wish that I could still turn it off to have the old simplified single window view, since I have a Mac for the complicated stuff and just want my iPad to single task, view media and do what it does best. That seems like a much more simple and obvious request than Apple retroactively adding a non-touch interface OS to the list of operating systems that the iPad will run, but they no longer even allow that as a legacy feature.

I find that the more they merge the devices the less usable they become at their core strengths, as they don't rise to the top of their features, but sink to the lowest of their weaknesses, and just end up as lowest common denominators. And I say this as an owner of Windows touch screen devices, which are okay, but after owning them for some time I find I more often accidentally touch the screen and inadvertently move focus than intentionally use the touch screens as inputs.

But, hey, I used to enjoy experimenting with weird hacks and if they give you the ability to run MacOS on iPads, more power to you. I'd probably even try installing it on my old iPad just to see how insane it would drive me, just for sh*ts and giggles.
 
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Most likely because they have tested it and realized that the user experience is horrible?

I personally find even the current multi-window experience in iPadOS bad, and wish that I could still turn it off to have the old simplified single window view, since I have a Mac for the complicated stuff and just want my iPad to single task, view media and do what it does best. That seems like a much more simple and obvious request than Apple retroactively adding a non-touch interface OS to the list of operating systems that the iPad will run, but they no longer even allow that as a legacy feature.

I find that the more they merge the devices the less usable they become at their core strengths, as they don't rise to the top of their features, but sink to the lowest of their weaknesses, and just end up as lowest common denominators. And I say this as an owner of Windows touch screen devices, which are okay, but after owning them for some time I find I more often accidentally touch the screen and inadvertently move focus than intentionally use the touch screens as inputs.

But, hey, I used to enjoy experimenting with weird hacks and if they give you the ability to run MacOS on iPads, more power to you. I'd probably even try installing it on my old iPad just to see how insane it would drive me, just for sh*ts and giggles.
It’s a screen with a M processor (and slower ssd). Don’t touch the screen and it should perform like a keyboard-less Air. I don’t get why everyone keeps saying the device wouldn’t work well with a touch interface. Add a mouse and keyboard and this angle evaporates.

I don’t think they’ll do it, but we don’t need to make excuses for them.
 
It’s a screen with a M processor (and slower ssd). Don’t touch the screen and it should perform like a keyboard-less Air. I don’t get why everyone keeps saying the device wouldn’t work well with a touch interface. Add a mouse and keyboard and this angle evaporates.

I don’t think they’ll do it, but we don’t need to make excuses for them.
I suggest you go try Microsoft surface at some point and you’ll realise how horrible it is to force a non-touch-based os to be compatible with a touch screen

And also, the choice is not on us, but on Apple.
 
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I suggest you go try Microsoft surface at some point and you’ll realise how horrible it is to force a non-touch-based os to be compatible with a touch screen

And also, the choice is not on us, but on Apple.
I’m not suggesting enabling any sort of touchscreen functionality or compatibility. Require and external mouse and keyboard and it’s like any other Mac.
 
It’s a screen with a M processor (and slower ssd). Don’t touch the screen and it should perform like a keyboard-less Air. I don’t get why everyone keeps saying the device wouldn’t work well with a touch interface. Add a mouse and keyboard and this angle evaporates.

I don’t think they’ll do it, but we don’t need to make excuses for them.
Is this you telling me you don't know the meaning of the word accidentally? "Don't touch the screen" is easier said than done while using a tablet with a stuck on keyboard, especially one without a hard hinge.

Have you actually tried Windows with a touch screen, just to give you a point of reference on the likely issues? Metro worked okay, but it wasn't popular, and with the current hybrid interface I don't recall the last time I bothered to switch to Windows icon-based touch interface.

The combo is a kludge and, no, not everyone wants basic MacOS on an iPad, at least in its currect state. Technically you can use an iPhone as a hammer, but simply because you can doesn't mean it is a good idea. And, yes, as I said, I'd probably screw around with it as a skunkworks project because I have old spares and I'm a geek, but Apple isn't looking for interesting projects that will appeal to a few hackers willing to put up with the shortcomings just to say they got MacOS up and running on their iPad or iPhone. It is a concept with no upside for them since it wouldn't be a selling feature for new purchases, and would simply give them far more tech support calls than they would want to deal with for already existing devices.
 
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The chip is readily available, no doubt, but not the logic board. Unless Apple can tweak the Ipad Mini one for Mac, otherwise a new one has to be designed and produced.

On the other hand, if they just keep on producing M2 / M3 MacBook Air and sell them at an entry price, no new R&D and production cost will incur
That would be the conservative way to do things if they weren't sure the number of units they would sell, but Apple usually does things with a bigger flourish and there is something to be said for the extra flourish given by a completely new product introduction (just look at how many people here gripe when the new models don't get a major redesign even when they were just redesigned in the prior generation.)

Assuming I am doing my math right, if Apple thinks they can sell a million units of this new Macbook, and a smaller new motherboard is 50 cents cheaper, then they would expect that they could spend as much as $500,000 on the redesign and still come out ahead. The scale of their production makes the numbers rather freaky to think about.
 
That would be the conservative way to do things if they weren't sure the number of units they would sell, but Apple usually does things with a bigger flourish and there is something to be said for the extra flourish given by a completely new product introduction (just look at how many people here gripe when the new models don't get a major redesign even when they were just redesigned in the prior generation.)

Assuming I am doing my math right, if Apple thinks they can sell a million units of this new Macbook, and a smaller new motherboard is 50 cents cheaper, then they would expect that they could spend as much as $500,000 on the redesign and still come out ahead. The scale of their production makes the numbers rather freaky to think about.
New production line for a new design but with a lower price tag… this doesn’t look like the apple I know
 
When people budget for a laptop they're spending X dollars and will spend X dollars. They won't spend X+Y dollars. That link's definition of X is way out in left field.
That would indeed be the definition of a budget, but at least I gave a link, so feel free to provide the link showing that the actual median laptop price is $500. That seems a fair bit low to me, even in USD.
 
That would indeed be the definition of a budget, but at least I gave a link, so feel free to provide the link showing that the actual median laptop price is $500. That seems a fair bit low to me, even in USD.
You can do your own research like I did. I'm not your mom.
 
New production line for a new design but with a lower price tag… this doesn’t look like the apple I know
Yeah, lower price may not be the norm, but I would say it is the norm for their budget introductions... iPod mini, Nano, iPhone SE, Homepod mini, Mac mini, iBook were all new designs with lower prices.
 
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