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But Foxconn, which manufactures a great number of Apple products, is a Taiwanese company.

What you claim about "reliance on China" is a common complaint these days about a great many things.

The rise of China as a dominant nation in global affairs is really scaring Americans who have grown use to American hegemony.

1. Foxconn may be based on Taiwan but the manufacturing base is largely Chinese.

2. Taiwan may be independent from China, but there is massive Chinese influence.

3. Americans are rightfully concerned, not about the rise of another country, per-se, but the rise of a communist dictatorship that cares little for human rights and takes no issue with utilizing an ever-forceful hand in world affairs.

4. You specified Americans, but any Western country is concerned, specifically those who wish to keep Taiwan a democracy.

5. The understandable concern is that, as Chinese manufacturing is subject to Chinese laws, regardless of their ethicacy or lack thereof, such components are suspect of compromise by The Party.

6. Apple's current economics rely on China being a willing partner, and that partnership is subject to Apple's acquiescence on Chinese Government influence and dictates.

Scary? Maybe. Concerning? Definitely!
 
Instead of "adding" or "opening" RCS to iMessages, Apple could simply make an iMessage app for Android, and we would call it the day.

That's what they should have done -- ages ago

But the bean counter was more obsessed with "locking in" the customer base .. vs doing something actually great and useful for all customers (even potential ones)

I'm so done with Tim at Apple
 
Well, we can take this as reasonable evidence that iMessage is somewhat secure and that RCS has a few glaring holes in it.
 
Let's hope this sees a swift end to MMS. UK carriers charge an arm and a leg if you try to send pics using MMS.
 
That's what they should have done -- ages ago

But the bean counter was more obsessed with "locking in" the customer base .. vs doing something actually great and useful for all customers (even potential ones)

I'm so done with Tim at Apple

They make iTunes and iCloud for Windows; why is iMessage so beyond the pale? I guess they really like the idea of people being socially pressured and bullied into switching to iOS to make their bubbles blue.
 
They make iTunes and iCloud for Windows; why is iMessage so beyond the pale? I guess they really like the idea of people being socially pressured and bullied into switching to iOS to make their bubbles blue.

I'd even be just fine signing up for one of Tim's "Services" payment plans if I could get cross platform iMessage
 
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Improved communication quality with Android users is worthwhile. It's just a bit of a shame it'll be part of the upcoming iOS update instead of something standalone.
Google has always been free to release Google Messages (with support for Google RCS) for iOS. It doesn’t HAVE to be a part of an upcoming OS, it could be out now. Only Google knows why they haven’t released it.
 
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Or might it be because China's requirements are much more direct and difficult to escape?

"All iCloud content must be stored in China for Chinese users"
"All VPN apps for use in China must be registered with the government"
"All 5G phones must support the RCS standard by GSMA"

Here is the EU regulation:

"Where a gatekeeper provides number-independent interpersonal communications services that are listed in the designation decision pursuant to Article 3(9), it shall make the basic functionalities of its number-independent interpersonal communications services interoperable with the number-independent interpersonal communications services of another provider offering or intending to offer such services in the Union, by providing the necessary technical interfaces or similar solutions that facilitate interoperability, upon request, and free of charge."
Yeah, China’s like “everybody”, across the board. The EU intentionally created a fake determination of “gatekeeper” and then devised rules that would annoy the gatekeepers but not make them decide to take their gates and go home. That Apple is taking the steps they’re taking? That’s because the EU specifically defined that those are the steps they could (and would) take.
 
USB-C fair enough, but it was likely to happen soon anyway as having a different charger for your iPhone compared to your ipad/macbook was silly.

As for seperate app store, it's a textbook case of malicious compliance, to the point that it's not really Apple doing what the EU wanted in spirit
Apple said Lightning would be the connector for the iPhone for the next decade. It was. To the year. Folks want to THINK the EU forced it, but the EU’s requirement doesn’t even go into effect until December of this year.
 
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So it sounds like we should read this article as "RCS has been fully compromised by the CCP and everything sent via the protocol can be monitored by their government and likely many others."
Don’t forget, all iMessages are sent over Chinese Government owned telecom companies using Chinese Government owned network infrastructure. People in China know that there’s no way they’re sending a message without there being a chance of it ending up in government hands.
 
Well, I guess I should keep complaining about how cucked Apple is, but in the end I'll be glad that my texting experience with Android users will be less crappy. I don't pick and choose friends based on bubble color.
Same, I just came from Samsung, and at least I know what Android users go though (at least in North America) so I can feel for both sides. I'm happy we can at least put this 1st world issue to rest.
 
I couldn't care less about RCS, so long as i can turn it off. I am often in locations where there's cell service, but not data service, and classic SMS is the only thing that works.
Of course you don’t
 
I don't buy it. If this was the REALLY the case they could geo restrict it like they do other things, such as mandatory shutter noises on cameras in Japan and the EU DMA changes.

What's really probably happening here is that the SMS interoperability / iMessage divide is no longer an asset but a bit of a liability. If you have a bunch of green bubble friends, and they won't switch, and then they say they don't have issues between each other (thank RCS here), but the iPhone is the problem...well, guess who's going to buy an Android next time?

They can play both sides here: Blue bubble is better, but our green bubble is also best in class.
That’s a good counter argument, modern Apple has shown to not shy away from incredibly awkward solutions in order to comply to rules only in the region impacted

Even if you ignore the whole EU stuff the way they handled Dutch and Korean legislation alone proves Apple doesn’t care about giving everyone the same experience anymore
 
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That's great news. As long as I can turn it off and carry on using something with proper E2E encryption.

Of course we all know why China loves RCS!
I mean, SMS, ever heard about it?
And why does China "love RCS"? I hope you do know RCS can be E2E encrypted.
 
Apple has done everything EU law has required so far. USB-C, separate App Store. What are you talking about?
USB-C: helped develop USB-C started implementing it 10 years ago, when they released Lightning they said "This will be the port for the iPhone for the next 10 years" in the keynote. 10 years later, iPhone has USB-C. Also EU makes Law.

Separate App Store: Here is your separate App Store, we still review and approve all apps, you pay use 27%, plus money for free apps, plus lots more money for paid apps, apps with in-app-purchases pretty much won't be able to be profitable.
 
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Hat tip to the editor for recognizing how dumb your readership is that you chose to expand "CCP" in the original blog post to [Chinese Communist Party].
 
Hat tip to the editor for recognizing how dumb your readership is that you chose to expand "CCP" in the original blog post to [Chinese Communist Party].

Considering how many people think that Singapore is a part of China, I can’t say I blame them for choosing to err on the side of caution.
 
So it sounds like we should read this article as "RCS has been fully compromised by the CCP and everything sent via the protocol can be monitored by their government and likely many others."
Base RCS isn't encrypted, so there's no 'hole' to find. Only nefarious reason I can think of is being able to farm richer data and reduce the appeal of alternatives to SMS/MMS
 
I mean, SMS, ever heard about it?
And why does China "love RCS"? I hope you do know RCS can be E2E encrypted.

Yes I know surprisingly large amounts about SMS.

Yes I know surprisingly large amounts about RCS too.

I suggest you go and read about downgrade attacks. If you compare iMessage/WhatsApp to RCS there's a big difference between e2ee being required and supported respectively. The only security decision which is tenable is secure-by-default and in RCS context that's only currently provided by Google's non-standard RCS extensions which are not universally supported by all clients.

Anyway this issue is a technical issue which is conflated conveniently with a political one. The political issue is hiding the technical issue and the technical issue is that RCS is a **** show.

The best technical solution is to use WhatsApp / Signal / iMessage / Telegram and ignore the politics. Politicians have no business in security - they just screw things up for everyone.
 
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That's great news. As long as I can turn it off and carry on using something with proper E2E encryption.

Of course we all know why China loves RCS!

They like it because the carriers like it and wanted to adopt the new GSMA standard. China opened the floor to let telecoms and other companies suggest new updates to the 5G certification and those companies wanted RCS. That's it. Strange that the original article didn't mention the mundane origins of this law. No grand conspiracy here because SMS/MMS, WeChat, and most other messaging services in China are already compliant with Chinese domestic intelligence law so why would they need to push RCS for political reasons?

Apple is not alone of course. Companies are in business to make a profit and moral, ethical principals often take a back seat to the profit motive. Apple fights for its principals in the U.S. and the EU because it can. In China it can’t fight for anything the authoritarian government doesn’t like. That’s not to lessen any company’s hypocrisy but it is how the world works.

Where is Apple fighting for its "principles" in the US and EU that don't align with a profit incentive? I can't find any instance of that, I could be missing something though. Meanwhile, iCloud Advanced Data Protection is available in China. The same exact implementation as the one we get here in the US and EU according to Craig Federighi, the one that the EU wants to outlaw because they hate encryption (read: "EU" not "China").

If a Chinese user enables that feature it means Apple (and by extension the Chinese state owned enterprise that operates iCloud data centers) can't read your iCloud data. Strange, people here told me China bans all privacy and encryption.

In your opinion would that be an example of Apple fighting for its "privacy principles" in China?

So is the conclusion then that RCS is less secure?://

No. Why is that your conclusion?

Considering the US stance on TikTok and Huawei, it's surprising that the government hasn't launched an investigation into Apple's relationship with China. With Apple's reliance on China, both for sales revenue and manufacturing prowess, it's absolutely reasonable to consider that Apple is sharing user data or other information believed to be private or worse, programing in "back doors".

As more and more evidence shows that Apple is willingly (or unwillingly) beholden to China, this is a scary revelation and one that ought to invoke more scrutiny.

Why is it reasonable to consider Apple is sharing American user data with China or programming "back doors" for China when Apple's track record so far has indicated they will happily collaborate with US intelligence services? As an American should I be more concerned with Apple hiding the fact that they share data with my own government (using grey area secret courts to enable mass data collection) or with Apple openly sharing *some* Chinese user data with the Chinese government as per Chinese law that most people in China don't care about? (See CPC and Xi Jinping approval rate as reported by WESTERN sources, let alone Chinese sources).

Also curious what incentive Apple would have to collaborate in secret with Chinese intelligence services considering Apple's global power and monopoly status is backed by US hegemony and not the Chinese who are actively promoting Chinese companies over Apple in preparation for the new era of US hostility against the new center of the world.

Wouldn't Apple have more of an incentive to build back doors for the US?

Hmmm.... Lots to think about.

If China wants it, you know it isn't good for us.

I guess this makes sense. I have an idea! I'm going to eat nuclear waste because China recently banned the purchase of Japanese fish from the areas used to dump nuclear waste from the Fukushima disaster. China says eating nuclear contaminated fish is bad so therefore it must be good for us. Care to join me?
 
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