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AI on a computer is great, getting it to write code and do research and stuff, but I can see a lot of people just not bothering with AI on their phone because they don't want to talk into it.

Asking an AI to message your friend about something might be quicker, but if you're in public it's not, because by the time you type in the command you may as well have just done it yourself.

It makes more sense on that new HomePod thing, in the privacy of your home
I think when you talk to Siri in public, others might think you have your deaf grandmother on the phone. They constantly hear you repeating the same question louder and louder 😂
 
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I think that Apple's quarterly results show them out, services and hardware cover a multitude of sins. It doesn't mean all is well, it just means they can ignore the iceberg. Personally I don't think they will ever chance upon a financial downturn big enough to cause a tectonic shift initiated by the board. I get the feeling Tim can screw up as much as he wants and have zero accountability - the car is a damning boondoggle that would've seen any other CEO ousted but he keeps hitting different SKUs with his shotgun approach so it's padding their losses elsewhere nicely. Also nice is the fact they don't break out certain of their financials in detail to further hide the negative parts.
Ok you’ve presented your point of view but Apple stopped breaking out certain financials in line with industry trends. For example which manufacturer breaks out phone sales? Who was the last manufacturer to break out phone sales?
How about getting rid of Timmy? He has no feeling or vision for technology. He took the soul out of the Apple brand and is purely relying on old successes.
He sees the customer as a cashcow and when I see him speak, I see an antique with a big ego and nothing to say or show.
It can be said until the cows come home. But imo Timmy ain’t going. To wit last quarters financials.
 
unpopular take: AI is overhyped and helps as much as it hinders. This is no big deal. They aren’t behind, they are ahead of the curve as we approach the trough of disillusionment
I fully agree. I guess I’m the only one just not thrilled about this ALL AI future. Nearly every single product now has AI for goodness sake. It’s just a way for companies to buckle and dime their consumers.

You better believe it once AI is fully integrated in iOS and macOS they will have an AI Pro monthly subscription.
 
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AI on a computer is great, getting it to write code and do research and stuff, but I can see a lot of people just not bothering with AI on their phone because they don't want to talk into it.

Asking an AI to message your friend about something might be quicker, but if you're in public it's not, because by the time you type in the command you may as well have just done it yourself.

It makes more sense on that new HomePod thing, in the privacy of your home
I have tried many AI products especially with coding. You would be surprised how many times it is factually incorrect. I spent more time fixing AI suggestions than I saved by using AI. It’s such an overhyped mess.
 
Ok you’ve presented your point of view but Apple stopped breaking out certain financials in line with industry trends. For example which manufacturer breaks out phone sales? Who was the last manufacturer to break out phone sales?

It can be said until the cows come home. But imo Timmy ain’t going. To wit last quarters financials.
You are, of course, correct on both points. The breakout not only benefits them but is in line with the industry. And Tim isn't going anywhere visible failures aside because he's delivering on the one metric that matters to the company: shareholder value. Calls for him to go from posters here and elsewhere aren't being honest with themselves given that crucial point.
 
It just shows most shareholders don’t have any moral compass by bragging about financials about a company who turned their products into a cat in the bag.
I think this is a strange argument to mount. Morality has nothing to do with it , returns on investments do! Welcome to late stage capitalism if this is your first time here, prepare for some cold lotion.
 
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You are, of course, correct on both points. The breakout not only benefits them but is in line with the industry. And Tim isn't going anywhere visible failures aside because he's delivering on the one metric that matters to the company: shareholder value. Calls for him to go from posters here and elsewhere aren't being honest with themselves given that crucial point.
There is a difference in the way posters perceive of Apples performance the past few years.
 
There is a difference in the way posters perceive of Apples performance the past few years.
I mean sure, but it's just a company like any other. Sometimes their interests align with customers. Sometimes they don't. People just got used to the former when the latter is more likely these days.
 
well, the billion or so active Apple users disagree with you, they keep buying Apple products ...
There's a few sayings that apply: there's no accounting for taste. More crudely put, "Eat s@$t billions of flys can't be wrong." People fear change and Apple could introduce the baby killer iPad mini and people would sing it's praises.
 
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Kind of. I just mean that if I turned it off, I should be guaranteed whatever apps and components comprise that piece are offloaded, not hooked in, and not taking up resources on my device.
Makes sense, I can appreciate that.
 
I don’t mind Apple taking their time to get a feature right. But they promised this feature for iPhone 16 and marketed it hard. And they sold many iPhone 16 units on this promise; I think they should, at the least, apologise to those customers. Anyway, hopefully the wait will be worth it — I think if Apple can deliver on their contextual AI vision it will be a game changer.
 
There's a few sayings that apply: there's no accounting for taste. More crudely put, "Eat s@$t billions of flys can't be wrong." People fear change and Apple could introduce the baby killer iPad mini and people would sing it's praises.
This is a net win for Apple. If you want to explain their success as the customers pick Apple because it’s the best of the worst have at it. The billions of customers who buy Apple products and services because they they believe these products and services are the best for them, will not log into MR to contradict your assertions.
 
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This is a net win for Apple. If you want to explain their success as the customers pick Apple because it’s the best of the worst have at it. The billions of customers who buy Apple products and services because they they believe these products and services are the best for them, will not log into MR to contradict your assertions.
I think it's an incredible win, I make no assertions other than people go with what's comfortable regardless of the objective merits. Fine by me. I'm happy with them winning, it's good for my stock, but I'm nervous about their AI game. I can both understand their shortcomings and celebrate their financial prowess. I'm glad people aren't more informed from a stock standpoint. I keep thinking is this the year sales plateau or drip over to Android but they haven't yet, not in any meaningful way.
 
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Apple’s second disgrace. 3in1 wireless charger was announced and it was never launched. And now this.

Only reason i updated to ios 18 was apple intellegience features. Released features are not working and the most promising feature is not coming. I feel like scammed.
 
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Apple’s second disgrace. 3in1 wireless charger was announced and it was never launched. And now this.

Only reason i updated to ios 18 was apple intellegience features. Released features are not working and the most promising feature is not coming. I feel like scammed.
And what did you learn, there's plenty to unpack there that would prevent this in the future.

Buy it for what it does today. Not promises of things yet to be. MKBHD says that all the time and so you can't get mad at the company when you went against that bit of wisdom. It's on you.
 
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Hopefully we don’t need to wait for the M6 chip to use this re-reimagined feature.
 
I think it's an incredible win, I make no assertions other than people go with what's comfortable regardless of the objective merits. Fine by me. I'm happy with them winning, it's good for my stock, but I'm nervous about their AI game. I can both understand their shortcomings and celebrate their financial prowess. I'm glad people aren't more informed from a stock standpoint. I keep thinking is this the year sales plateau or drip over to Android but they haven't yet, not in any meaningful way.
Don’t underestimate the acumen of the general population.
 
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And what did you learn, there's plenty to unpack there that would prevent this in the future.

Buy it for what it does today. Not promises of things yet to be. MKBHD says that all the time and so you can't get mad at the company when you went against that bit of wisdom. It's on you.
For sure. Apple is one of the few companies that I trust to deliver on future promises. Tesla is the other.
 
I fully agree. I guess I’m the only one just not thrilled about this ALL AI future. Nearly every single product now has AI for goodness sake. It’s just a way for companies to buckle and dime their consumers.

You are not the only one not thrilled by the AI future. I was working on a neural network based control system in the 1990s. It proved to be massively unreliable, as in it would work correctly for a decent time then decide to correct a low pH condition by adding more acid. The weighting calculations are non-linear, you don't know how they are going to fail. All they have done is throw stupefying amounts of compute power at the problem. They haven't solved the actual problem causing the hallucinations.

Apple's autocorrection can't even figure out that "buckle and dime" should be nickel and dime. Why would you trust it with anything more important?

I'm spending the next year on Sonoma free of Augmented Idiocy. I'll see how things look in mid-2026 then decide what to do.
 
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