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The most ironic part is that Flash didn't suck on Windows. It did suck on OS X because... Apple wouldn't open up the APIs that Adobe needed to make it work well. Then, Apple opens up the APIs, and a few months later proclaims that Flash sucks.

If Apple had worked with the industry instead of against it, we would probably still have Flash, and so many games and apps would still work.
Still a good riddance.
 
Well they released Safari Technology Review 99 today, and I didn't have the chance to read this before hand, or I wouldn't updated, just because of one site I visit. Guess I'll look at Brave unless soemone has a better piece of advise that does include anything to do with Google. Is Brave just Chrome with a different look but still Chrome, or iis it a stand alone browser with nothing to do with Google?
 
I know people hate on Flash, but it was something. I still don't see a complete replacement, I am not sure. Flash animated the web when no one could, and the creating software is amazing for multiple uses not just as a web plug in. I wonder if it has an Adobe replacement.

That being said, when Jobs abandoned it on the iOS platform in late 2000s, that was real "courage". There were complete websites running in flash, but he pushed it forward. It was the Job thing, he could see the better future and make it now.

Flash was useful and fun, if it was not for its security issues and heavy usage.
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Well they released Safari Technology Review 99 today, and I didn't have the chance to read this before hand, or I wouldn't updated, just because of one site I visit. Guess I'll look at Brave unless soemone has a better piece of advise that does include anything to do with Google. Is Brave just Chrome with a different look but still Chrome, or iis it a stand alone browser with nothing to do with Google?

Brave is open source Chrome without the Google trackers, unless you are tied in the Google ecosystem of services, Brave is the better option.
 
Thanks a lot for that clarification; that makes sense.

Chrome is greedy, I understand, but Firefox had been recommended to me in the past.
Using Firefox at the moment as my main browser as I've had lots of issues with Chrome and I'm not a Safari fan tbh. Works well and sounds like a cool jet-fighter to boot!
 
Speaking as a web developer, I don't think I've used Flash for nearly 10 years now.

I was sarcastically referencing lazy web developers! I'm glad to hear that there really are devs who broke free from Flash that long ago. I just accidentally revisited an old website dated 2013 (Digital Daily / All Things D) and, to be honest, I'm not totally shocked that I saw a broken Flash window on it.
 
Sorry I know nothing about web stuff so i don't know how to check this but -- can someone tell me what Mint uses? My understanding was there was still a bunch of Flash, like for the charts but maybe elsewhere.
 
I don’t remember the last time I even used Flash. Thanks to the late Steve Jobs for eliminating the worthless crap ware.

It was pretty useful for its time and provided a common framework to create a consistent web experience for videos and games back in the day. Jobs was right to eliminate it on mobile devices but it was far from useless in the early days of multimedia on the internet.
 
I'm doing a post-baccalaureate certificate program online right now that utilizes Flash heavily. I thought I'd have no problem doing the coursework just via an iPad but had to buy a laptop so I could use flash. So stupid.
 
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I was being facetious. In any case, a company will often have little interest in updating its training content, even if it’s a fully internal system, unless and until they have to, because otherwise it’s a waste of money and they can just require you to complete your required training on a supported device.
Ah I’m sorry I must’ve missed that. But yeah I agree. It’s just frustrating because, and perhaps I’m being a bit overdramatic here, but I think Flash was one of the worst things to come out of the Internet age 😬
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In the mid-1980s the BBC and British Government ran The Domesday Project over 2 years, documenting life in late 20th century Britain. The whole multimedia project was stored on Laserdisc, compared to the original Domesday book written 900 years earlier. Going into the 21st, the government realised there was no longer any technology available to read the laserdiscs and the BBC ended up having to track down second hand ones. Meanwhile, the 900 year old original manuscript remains fully accessible.

I wonder how much internet content will effectively be lost forever when Flash dies?
No joke this is actually very insightful and makes me think about our current file formats, web standards, etc that might render a lot of content from today useless for people tomorrow. Unless like you say, they’re able to track down or preserve secondhand means of displaying the content.
 
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I thought they already did, but good riddance.

I think that was just a white paper at how it drains iPhone battery.

Now, if we could get open source browsers to do it too.... But since Adobe is gonna cease Flash anyway, these companies will be dragged along.

 
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While Flash is no longer common, there are still some heavily-used sites that require Flash. For instance, many chemistry departments use Pearson's Mastering Chemistry for student homeworks, and this site requires Flash.
I don't know why they haven't switched to HTML5—perhaps doing so would be a big project for them, and they haven't wanted to invest the resources.

Given this, I don't think Apple's decision will get such sites to move away from Flash any quicker than they otherwise would, because the coders for these sites have already known about the movement away from Flash for years.

What will force them to switch away from Flash is, instead, Adobe's decision to kill the software by the end of 2020.
 
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While Flash is no longer common, there are still some heavily-used sites that require Flash. For instance, many chemistry departments use Pearson's Mastering Chemistry for student homeworks, and this site requires Flash.
I don't know why they haven't switched to HTML5—perhaps doing so would be a big project for them, and they haven't wanted to invest the resources.

Given this, I don't think Apple's decision will get such sites to move away from Flash any quicker than they otherwise would, because the coders for these sites have already known about the movement away from Flash for years.

What will force them to switch away from Flash is, instead, Adobe's decision to kill the software by the end of 2020.


There goes online Retro gaming sites. Some do use Flash too, to play inside a web browser. In fact most don't work on Safari.
 
Flash is very heavily used outside the USA. My Chinese wife and family run Flash to access just about every Chinese site. Sucks big time.

Flash as a platform will be globally discontinued by 31 Dec 2020 (no support-development from Adobe), by which time everything that currently runs on Flash will be updated or disappear:

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This is an important question and I hope to read other's suggestions. For those of us in Higher Education, most of our ancillary material is Flash Based. So far few publishers have any alternative formats to offer.

To be fair, everybody in IT knew that Flash’s end was coming and now you have an exact date - 31 Dec 2020. So the sooner your publishers update their material, the better.
 
Well they released Safari Technology Review 99 today, and I didn't have the chance to read this before hand, or I wouldn't updated, just because of one site I visit. Guess I'll look at Brave unless soemone has a better piece of advise that does include anything to do with Google. Is Brave just Chrome with a different look but still Chrome, or iis it a stand alone browser with nothing to do with Google?

Duh:), what's wrong with me, lol? I still have Safari! I'm all good.
 
I uninstalled Flash in the early 2010's. If a site required it, they did not get my business. Today, if I ever come across a site that requires Flash, then two possibilities come to mind: (a) the site is compromised and is trying to push fake Flash Player malware or (b) the site is obsolete.
 
There goes online Retro gaming sites. Some do use Flash too, to play inside a web browser. In fact most don't work on Safari.

I suspect what will happen is people will continue to use these sites using Flash. I.e., even though Flash won't be updated, I assume people can continue to use the Flash versions they have. That is, unless all the browsers go the way of Safari and also disallow Flash.

Not a great situation, given the likely security holes, but if those sites stay up, and people are able to continue use them with the software they have, they probably will.
 
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