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in the first graphic, you're showing the last update of that version, so it's expected to have point releases for security issues that had crop up since then

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Do I really need to keep going?
 
Good maybe they will fix bug in ios 17.1 in 17.1.1 OR its a bug in icloud contacts on http://icloud.com but its where when u go on http://icloud.com > data recovery>deleted contacts it says Ive deleted contacts when I havent. I just got the new iphone se 2022 2 wks ago. I thought the bug was fixed after a few days then it did it again few days later.

I got the 2022 iPhone SE, too, over a few weeks ago. How has your battery life been? Mine has been excellent.
 
It's not just Apple. Nowadays almost every company release Unfinished products

Perfect is the enemy of good.

Define “nowadays”? I have been in IT since 1991 and this has been going on since then - so not sure when you think it started. Just back when you had to ship physical media we bundled them a little more - but not always. The internet definitely made more frequent patching common.

Define “unfinished”. This one is sticky - you have people clamoring for new features and factories and supply chains cranking out hardware and shipping them from all over the place. Add that to events and coordinating with partners and you sometimes bump up against timelines that mean you have to make tough decisions.

Also - no matter how many beta cycles you did - there is no way to account for how billions of users will end up using things and finding bugs.

There is a bug in Mozilla that was just patched that was 22 years old. Finished is a subjective term.

But honestly - we are a minority here having these debates - most people don’t even have any idea this is even going on.
 
Honestly, I wish they’d push a bug fix release like this every week for the next six months or so. iOS is too riddled with bugs right now, many of them that have been lingering around for years and years.
 
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What is the point of the Beta program when the final product still sucks? You get 7 betas and you would think these major things would be addressed and fixed in that stage. Yet, here we are with updates that fix pretty big things and it just makes the Beta program all the more pointless.
They need lean more heavily on professional, paid beta testers -- as I assume they used to do -- instead of relying on unpaid volunteers.
 
I never said it didn't exist, but did every x.1 have an accompanying x.x.1 release like now?

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sure, here is Yosemite. I dont see ONE x.x.x.1 release

So which are you upset with? Because you started with x.x.1 and then shifted to x.x.x.1 when the data didn’t support your position.

I see five x.x.1 releases for Yosemite - and all of those security releases listed there count too…
 
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They need lean more heavily on professional, paid beta testers -- as I assume they used to do -- instead of relying on unpaid volunteers.

Those are alpha testers.

Beta testers are and always have been predominantly end users of some sort. Usually people registered in the Apple developer system (which ironically - we were not only unpaid, but we actually paid a subscription to be in the program…)

But in the past few years Apple opened the beta program to the general public, without needing to be a registered developer.
 
Those are alpha testers.

Beta testers are and always have been predominantly end users of some sort. Usually people registered in the Apple developer system (which ironically - we were not only unpaid, but we actually paid a subscription to be in the program…)

But in the past few years Apple opened the beta program to the general public, without needing to be a registered developer.
Fair enough -- more investment in alpha testing instead of the volunteer-heavy beta testing then.
 
So which are you upset with? Because you started with x.x.1 and then shifted to x.x.x.1 when the data didn’t support your position.

I see five x.x.1 releases for Yosemite - and all of those security releases listed there count too…
let me school you for a minute here son.. in the pre-AS days, there used to be a default 10. (OS X) in front of all version numbers. Since Big Sur, they dropped that even though internally it was still referenced
 
Tim Cook, that MBA beancounter, is not doing anywhere near enough to fix bugs. Instead of hiring more programmers to fix bugs, he chooses not to do that—despite Apple's trillions of dollars in value—and instead opts for even more profits by cutting corners and pushing out more and more new features. I'm sure his MBA idols at McKinsey and Goldman Sachs would be proud.
 
Tim Cook, that MBA beancounter, is not doing anywhere near enough to fix bugs. Instead of hiring more programmers to fix bugs, he chooses not to do that—despite Apple's trillions of dollars in value—and instead opts for even more profits by cutting corners and pushing out more and more new features. I'm sure his MBA idols at McKinsey and Goldman Sachs would be proud.

He hired programmers for various failed projects including the car. All they were able to actually produce was the Newton MessagePad Vision Pro.
 
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They need to fix Siri and car play. A lot of bugs in car play. Messages can’t reply or send. Hope 17.1.1 fixes this
 
Hopefully. iOS 17.1 is very buggy. WiFi freezing and random crashes…not fun. I’ll be delaying my upgrade to 17.2. At this point I will only be updating iOS when we get 17.x.x updates. So 17.2.1 or 17.2.2 or 17.3.1.

I’m tired of how buggy iOS now. I’ll leave it alone until it’s been out in public for a few weeks or couple months.
 
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