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Lol, $40, most people won't even pay that.

Netflix may not be all that but for the price it is, it's going to slowly but surely destroy cable TV. The era of paying those huge subs is over.

The challenge is that people often want one or two shows on various networks. if they can't get those shows then cord cutting is not a viable option. Netflix doesn't have current TV shows so while it is a great product it is not a direct competitor for cable. Apple could offer, and has, current shows for purchase but at $20 or so it quickly gets expensive if you want to watch 2 or 3 shows per season. If I were Apple I'd find a way to deliver OTA HD signals to the Apple TV, perhaps with a wireless antenna. That solves much of the local channels problem for folks that can get a good OTA signal.

If the could come up with a cost effective local package / sport bundle / etc offerings it could be a viable offering. The challenge is competing with cable's bundled pricing. Most channels get pennies while a few get many dollars per subscriber. The ones getting pennies probably can't survive on their actual viewer able but can on cable since the subscriber base is much large return their actual viewership.

As for $40 pricing, you are probably correct. The problem is you still need broadband access, and buying it a la carte won't be that cheap. By the time you combine the two you are probably close to the bundled price, and cable companies will price aggressively to minimize Apple's inroads. In addition, with soft and or hard caps on usage 24 x 7 TV via broadband will have more people hitting caps and either paying more or curtailing usage.

Apple needs to cut deals with cable companies for broadband access for this to work. That will involve sharing revenue which gets problematic. Personally, I would cut a deal with Google to help underwrite faster Google fiber rollout and use that to get to more households. The combined cash and experience would essentially create a formidable competitor to cable and once they have enough subscribers networks will have to cut deals.
 
There real elephant in the room is even when try cord cutting and just get internet plan it just makes more sense to get internet + TV (cable) because the price difference is not even that much maybe $5 or $10
A lot of times that ends up being the case. The other aspect is that many cable companies impose a monthly data cap, which would make constant streaming of Apple T.V. based channels very challenging if not impossible, compared to being able to turn on the cable t.v. and watch as much as one wants, without having to worry about the monthly data limit. Case in point Comcast.
 
i say release a new ATV and an app store and let the networks jump on board one by one like HBO eventually the cable Co's will be left in the dust .... sooner or later the networks will realize if you can't beat then then join them
 
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There real elephant in the room is even when try cord cutting and just get internet plan it just makes more sense to get internet + TV (cable) because the price difference is not even that much maybe $5 or $10

To virtually strengthen your argument.

Here is TV/Internet bundle from Comcast:


Here is the prices of Internet only:


 

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I have Netflix and HBO Now and it still costs me less than a full cable subscription. But even if the cost was the same, the two options are not equivalent. I don't have to sit through any advertising (or pay for DVR service to avoid it), which I would have to do if I had cable.

People with DVR fast forward the commercials so that's a moot point

If you only have Netflix and HBO you still are missing out on a ton of content
 
Exactly. $40 a month will be dead on arrival. They have to have lower priced tiers, like SlingTV's $20 option.

It depends on what the service is. @ $40 a month for only Live TV, DoA. But $40 for old seasons of shows that are current on, example, being able to watch the current season of Archer on FX along with all past seasons, this will be big.

It depends on the content.
 
A lot of times that ends up being the case. The other aspect is that many cable companies impose a monthly data cap, which would make constant streaming of Apple T.V. based channels very challenging if not impossible, compared to being able to turn on the cable t.v. and watch as much as one wants, without having to worry about the monthly data limit. Case in point Comcast.

Comcast currently is not enforcing their data caps. I regularly go over them.
 
what a surprise... another one of apple's projects that seems to be further delayed every few months

What a surprise... Another rumor of a product gets people upset because even though Apple never announced any such service, they seem to be falling behind.
 
Everyone talks about cutting cable, but is it really that much more expensive than sling or combining a few alternatives? Like $20/month more for every channel and a DVR.

I personally just got rid of cable and kept the Internet service, saving $80/month. I already had Netflix so that does not feel like an extra cost now. I bought an antenna so I still get network stations and that cost was $70 which I get back in less than a month. I would love it if Apple had a service that replaced a few of the channels we no longer have (mostly for my wife). At $40/month I would still be saving that much over my old bill and maybe by the time it comes out (if ever), I won't even want it except for special events like Wimbeldon which was only on ESPN this year. Having the Apple TV hardware I think it would be easy to add the service for one month and then cancel it without having to return boxes and pay "activation fees" that don't actually cost the cable company anything to activate.
 
I really dislike that Apple TV splash screen for Movies has Winter Soldier on it. I have tried to rent it a number of times AFTER the date in April it showed it would release and it is STILL for sale only. I really don't get it.
 
Sigh. Apple, please don't go down the path of "bundles" or we will end up back where we are. Be disruptive and go al a carte from the beginning, please.
 
A few years ago, I did a calculation of savings if we dropped TV service and decided to get Netflix and Hulu instead. Of course we couldn't get a few of the TV series we liked, but the cost difference was about $900 a year. I told my wife we could just buy the seasons when they were available for that big of a price difference. And funny enough, we ended up finding "free streaming" websites of the shows we couldn't get through Hulu or Netflix and simply Airplay'ed them.

I just cannot justify going back. Granted, we don't watch sports, and we get all news through the Internet, so that was never a big deal to us. If those "free streaming" websites go belly up, then we'll just buy the seasons through iTunes when they're available.
 
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A few years ago, I did a calculation of savings if we dropped TV service and decided to get Netflix and Hulu instead. Of course we couldn't get a few of the TV series we liked, but the cost difference was about $900 a year. I told my wife we could just buy the seasons when they were available for that big of a price difference. And funny enough, we ended up finding "free streaming" websites of the shows we couldn't get through Hulu or Netflix and simply Airplay'ed them.

I just cannot justify going back. Granted, we don't watch sports, and we get all news through the Internet, so that was never a big deal to us. If those "free streaming" websites go belly up, then we'll just buy the seasons through iTunes when they're available.

Woooww, amazing, you found sites on the ol'interwebz for seeing that shows online for free. Unbelievable. Just imagine if you could download them for free, that would be amazing^10... You are american, aren't you?
 
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Wise move to launch Apple TV without a TV service.. I don't i can wait till 216 just for a new ATV..

Its always the hold up of content providers. so moving forward, if Apple thinks of them as "last in line" i will be happy, just as long no "products" are delayed because of content providers.
 
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To virtually strengthen your argument.

Here is TV/Internet bundle from Comcast:


Here is the prices of Internet only:



You have a point, but.....

The bundle prices say for 12 months....meaning they will increase after a year. You may very well be able to call and get them reduced again, but that will be a hassle....they are trying to rope you in and hope that a year later you'll forget to complain about higher prices.

The bundle also doesn't include any equipment rental. How much are those packages once you connect them to 3-4 TV's and get digital HD receivers and a DVR or two? Is cable modem an extra rental fee as well? I wonder how many people actually pay just $54.99 plus tax for that third option?

If AppleTV allowed me to buy my equipment for $69-$149 per TV with no ongoing equipment rental and allowed for streaming of past programming so I don't need a DVR, I'd much rather have that, even if the internet only cost me a bit more. Plus, I'll bet that if there is another internet competitor in your city you could call Comcast and get a lower rate for the internet only package....play them against whatever is being offered by the DSL carriers in your area.
 
To virtually strengthen your argument.

Here is TV/Internet bundle from Comcast:


Here is the prices of Internet only:



You have a point, but.....

The bundle prices say for 12 months....meaning they will increase after a year. You may very well be able to call and get them reduced again, but that will be a hassle....they are trying to rope you in and hope that a year later you'll forget to complain about higher prices.

The bundle also doesn't include any equipment rental. How much are those packages once you connect them to 3-4 TV's and get digital HD receivers and a DVR or two? Is cable modem an extra rental fee as well? I wonder how many people actually pay just $54.99 plus tax for that third option?

If AppleTV allowed me to buy my equipment for $69-$149 per TV with no ongoing equipment rental and allowed for streaming of past programming so I don't need a DVR, I'd much rather have that, even if the internet only cost me a bit more. Plus, I'll bet that if there is another internet competitor in your city you could call Comcast and get a lower rate for the internet only package....play them against whatever is being offered by the DSL carriers in your area.

I currently have one go these plans and I love it. That said, these plans have a very limited tv service. They are missing many channels that some people will miss.

I think the poster was trying to show the difference in price between bundled packages and internet-only packages. But the true Tv+Internet packages are priced higher.

I agree with you that people sometimes forget about factoring equipment charges when comparing services. Equipment charges could be over $500 a year for a few TVs.
 
I haven't subscribed to any dedicated TV-channels/packages since the early 00's. I get my movies and TV-shows from iTunes, Netflix, HBO or other legal online services. I don't want to be force-fed content I don't like so sorry Apple... I won't be subscribing to your service.

I'll take a new Apple TV, though. Release it now, please.
 
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If you only have Netflix and HBO you still are missing out on a ton of content

I don't think I'm missing out at all. Most of that other content is garbage. The few good shows that aren't on Netflix, HBO, or an OTA channel can easily be purchased on iTunes, I think you still come ahead as compared to the cost of a channel package.
 
To virtually strengthen your argument.

Here is TV/Internet bundle from Comcast:


Here is the prices of Internet only:



You're comparing introductory vs non-introductory rates which isn't exactly a fair comparison. Unless you're the type to not have a problem bitching to comcast every 6-12 months to maintain those intro rates, it's better to compare the non-introductory rates when deciding if cord-cutting is worth while.

If you only have Netflix and HBO you still are missing out on a ton of content

Like what? We've only had OTA and netflix, with Hulu Plus off and on, for years and don't miss a thing. If Netflix/OTA isn't enough, then you watch too much TV.
 
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Lol, $40, most people won't even pay that.

Netflix may not be all that but for the price it is, it's going to slowly but surely destroy cable TV. The era of paying those huge subs is over.

There are tons of people who wish they only paid $40! I used to pay $109 for my package until I threatened to cancel the service and they reduced my bill to only $54 for the next 12 months. This extra time at a reduced rate will enable me to get the OTA digital antenna and do some additional shopping.

I was hoping that Apple could get the providers to agree on pricing for a low cost package but it looks like they're holding out for more of our money....Apple is a very tough negotiator and probably has good grounds for their pricing but the providers refuse to budge. For a good package $40 bucks ain't that bad depending upon WHAT exactly is in that package.
 
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