1000% disagree. There is a facade that ppl think you can’t make money unless you work for a fangman company. You absolutely can. Other companies pay well. Ppl just need to go and look and not let the meme culture get in their head.
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Apple Looks Beyond Silicon Valley to Improve Recruitment and Retention
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No matter how well payed you are as a say, developer, 4K/month for a two bedroom apartment plus all other crazy expenses bites heavily into your pay check and diminishes your quality of life.
Cities & counties across California, but specially around Silicon Valley have failed to build the abundant affordable housing needed to keep prices reasonable. It has forced people out & whole communities have been replaced with newcomers. Traffic has increased, etc. It’s a particular version of hell no wonder people opt-out of.
Apple has to embrace remote working and decentralization.
Cities & counties across California, but specially around Silicon Valley have failed to build the abundant affordable housing needed to keep prices reasonable. It has forced people out & whole communities have been replaced with newcomers. Traffic has increased, etc. It’s a particular version of hell no wonder people opt-out of.
Apple has to embrace remote working and decentralization.
I suggest speaking to the congressional rep for that district
“Affordable housing” in a place like the Bay Area is a pipe dream. It’s not possible to keep up with demand. Build 100,000 units and 200,000 people will want them.
How many people would like to live in Malibu? Ten million?
Yup, that's what people were claiming last week in the story related to Apple demanding it's employees back to the office - "Apple call the all the shots, and if employees don't like it, they can quit"...
That claim aged like milk...
The reality is, Apple need to be more flexible than people seem to realize.
You think Gurman’s article just happened to come out now? The guy lives off Apple leaks and is obviously trying to curry favor with Apple staffers who are unhappy about returning to the office. Let’s not be naive here.
If they put caps, then everything would convert to property sales. Building more housing is the only thing that could help, but there is not much investment anymore for a variety of reasons.
In talking about new facilities, you may want to add the Raleigh-Durham Research Triangle where Apple has announced a new, large campus.
Irrelevant. The reality is that Apple need to realize, in order to attract talent, they need to be flexible, otherwise these people will be heading for competitors who do offer that flexibility, and offer better locations to work from.
According to whom? Gurman?
If Apple was so afraid of losing talent, the 100% WFH wouldn’t be ending.
No mention of the taxes in California pushing IT workers over the edge into leaving? No mention of the massive exodus of IT professionals from Californian cities? 🤔
Also I don’t agree with this bit about finding a diverse workforce far away from the Spaceship. That is nonsense. The Bay Area is one of the most diverse areas on the planet. Why not address the issues surrounding the Culture of Resistance? Apple could find some geniuses in Oakland and East Palo Alto if they cared to look. But they won’t because…. social barriers and brand image?
Also I don’t agree with this bit about finding a diverse workforce far away from the Spaceship. That is nonsense. The Bay Area is one of the most diverse areas on the planet. Why not address the issues surrounding the Culture of Resistance? Apple could find some geniuses in Oakland and East Palo Alto if they cared to look. But they won’t because…. social barriers and brand image?
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Yeah I was surprised to see that there were jobs for Apple Wallet in San Diego.
If you are a developer, you might be less likely to want to leave the Apple ecosystem. They might take an Apple role at another company. They might choose to do their own thing in the Apple ecosystem. Certainly have been many that left the mothership, but stayed in the ecosystem. If you are in hardware, you may be less attached to the ecosystem. Location absolutely matters when you have a significant other, when you might need to leave an extended family or parents that need care, love the state you live in, or just don’t want to deal with a lower standard of living in the Bay Area.
At the end of the day people work for money and Apple isn't paying enough for talent based on their location. People start to wise up that remote working for another company in a cost effective area gives them a higher purchasing power. People can either start to increase wages drastically to compete or change their office strategy and you know Apple is about money so they will opt to save money as well.
I don’t know if you read the article about people not wanting to live there, people go live there because they get hired for a job there, tech companies should work with local governments on a scheme that for every job/position they open they have to support the construction of new housing, Silicon Valley is not Malibu is a vast region with adjacent areas where suitable affordable housing can be built to actually cope with the office space approved by the authorities.
They approved Apple of the Spaceship construction but never worried about where all those people were to live and what the implications would be for the supply/demand balance were.
I’m not saying it’s feasible to have prices drop to what they were 20 years ago, but you should be able to bring them down to reasonable levels if you build enough housing by pure market forces. Otherwise, what’s the alternative?
The alternative is people live elsewhere.
The Bay Area is one of the most beautiful places on the planet and there’s not exactly a surplus of land there waiting to be developed. The idea that housing prices can be substantially reduced there by increasing supply is an absolute pipe dream.
People win the lottery too. There are always exceptions, but they are few and far between.
I grew up in Silicon Valley.
The place started to go down hill in the 1997-1998 timeframe.
That's when the cost of apartments first went way up, & most of the women moved elsewhere.
And after a recent five-month visit earlier this year, I can say it's now more of the same there !
Combine that with the fact that Apple's stock has gone up so much the past few years (which makes recruiting Top Talent extremely difficult), & the fact that they are competing with Google & Facebook there who also pay well, it's NO wonder they are looking elsewhere.
But, very surprised to hear Apple is ONLY now starting to accept reality !
BTW, don't know about the other places mentioned, but they have very little presence here in San Diego.
The place started to go down hill in the 1997-1998 timeframe.
That's when the cost of apartments first went way up, & most of the women moved elsewhere.
And after a recent five-month visit earlier this year, I can say it's now more of the same there !
Combine that with the fact that Apple's stock has gone up so much the past few years (which makes recruiting Top Talent extremely difficult), & the fact that they are competing with Google & Facebook there who also pay well, it's NO wonder they are looking elsewhere.
But, very surprised to hear Apple is ONLY now starting to accept reality !
BTW, don't know about the other places mentioned, but they have very little presence here in San Diego.
More and more people are realizing that spending their life working 80+ hours a week for rich dictators isn’t fulfilling. They have woken up to there being more to life than working. Sorry Tim, we are tired of wasting our lives so you can make millions of $ selling more phones to the “labor class”. We want a life. We want freedom. We want a future.
Geo wrote in #25:
"If the city of Cupertino was smart they would control housing prices and prevent loosing tax-paying residents and a huge employer like is Apple."
How do you "control" housing prices?
Perhaps issue a "Directive 10-289" ??
"If the city of Cupertino was smart they would control housing prices and prevent loosing tax-paying residents and a huge employer like is Apple."
How do you "control" housing prices?
Perhaps issue a "Directive 10-289" ??
And you’re free to pursue them, just as companies are free to pursue employees in Budapest and Bangalore.