Apple Loses Appeal in VirnetX Dispute, Could Owe Over $1.1 Billion

[farewelwilliams]

Yeah right, because Apple are normally into open sourcing stuff huh?

Yes.

https://opensource.apple.com/
https://github.com/apple
https://webkit.org/

 

[sideshowuniqueuser]

Yes.

https://opensource.apple.com/
https://github.com/apple
https://webkit.org/

Yeah it's all dev tools. What of it.

 

[farewelwilliams]

Yeah it's all dev tools. What of it.

dev tools or not, Apple is into "open sourcing stuff". gotcha there.

 

[sideshowuniqueuser]

dev tools or not, Apple is into "open sourcing stuff". gotcha there.

Whatever. Impress me with something that impresses me.

 

[robertosh]

Maybe they should just go ahead and buy the company.

Facebook vibes in this comment 😅

 

[sentiblue]

Why in God's name would they think future royalty be zero?
Just because a company is big, doesn't mean they should go around and bully smaller ones.

I'm always an Apple fan, but I don't like it when they push other people around.

 

[britboyj]

This was filed in the eastern district of texas which is a haven for patent trolls. Apple has fixed the problem going forward by not selling in that district anymore. https://techcrunch.com/2019/02/22/a...tent-troll-favored-eastern-district-of-texas/

Yep. Apple is “having” to harm consumers to try and avoid frivolous lawsuits from patent trolls. It’s a lose-lose.

 

[bLackjackj]

What was it that VirnetX released at CES this year? Last year? Oh that's right......nothing.

What was it that Apple released at CES this year? Last year? Oh that's right.....nothing. 🙄🤦‍♂️

FYI, you DON'T have to create the product to own the Patent. As the article mentioned,..even Apple works on Prototypes based on patents that never get released by them!

 

[farewelwilliams]

Whatever. Impress me with something that impresses me.

not my job.

 

[jgleigh]

VirnetX's market cap is only $400M. It'd be cheaper for Apple to just buy them.

 

[hot-gril]

If they're obvious and/or not novel, you can motion the USPTO for reexamination and submit your prior art. (Seriously.)

Yeah, but evidently that's not good enough.

 

[dk001]

I seem to remember someone on the Apple side saying ...

“ This is an oldie but still fascinating to watch if you haven’t seen it. Steve Jobs spinning off from Picasso’s quote “Good artists copy, great artists steal” he continues, “We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas.””

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

I'm sure this is going to be a crazy thread, but to think Apple loses this is kinda crazy. And I'm out. Y'all have fun...

 

[williamyx]

innovation cannot escape as the Western District of Texas strikes once more

what is particularly depressing is that the US Patent office has already stated that the patents in question shouldn't have been issued in the first place.

 

[macfacts]

Apple is fighting so hard for this 84 cents, no wonder they got rid of free chargers.

 

[hot-gril]

Yes.

https://opensource.apple.com/
https://github.com/apple
https://webkit.org/

When have they ever open-sourced a lucrative Mac/iPhone feature or opened a related standard? They made iTunes cross-platform, reluctantly, and still didn't open-source it. Messages isn't open-source, and iMessage isn't an open standard. So I doubt Facetime would've been.

 

[polaris20]

Remind us, what did Apple release at CES this year? Last year? Oh that's right...... NOTHING!!!

You guys are completely missing the point. Congrats!

 

[polaris20]

As much as Apple?

Point. Missed.

 

[polaris20]

What was it that Apple released at CES this year? Last year? Oh that's right.....nothing. 🙄🤦‍♂️

FYI, you DON'T have to create the product to own the Patent. As the article mentioned,..even Apple works on Prototypes based on patents that never get released by them!

Yes, and that’s why the patent system needs to be resolved heavily. I guess you enjoy patent trolls though.

and the point was that VernetX hasn’t released a goddamn thing, except for some garbage app just to say “look see, we make stuff! We’re not trolls!”

 

[LoggerMN]

I thought the reason we lost peer-to-peer FaceTime was because of this, so they changed how it worked to avoid it.

Going forward, Apple will need to pay 84 cents per iPhone or iPad for future infringements, which is more than Apple wanted to pay. Apple claimed future royalties should be zero or no more than 19 cents per unit.

So I guess that means the court determined they are still violating the patent? Or is it prescribing a predetermined amount if violation is discovered again?

 

[farewelwilliams]

When have they ever open-sourced a lucrative Mac/iPhone feature or opened a related standard? They made iTunes cross-platform, reluctantly, and still didn't open-source it. Messages isn't open-source, and iMessage isn't an open standard. So I doubt Facetime would've been.

Webkit is a feature of Mac and iPhone that Google took for their Chrome browser. It dominated the market up until Google forked the project and renamed it to Blink.

Apple worked with Intel on Thunderbolt which is now a royalty-free standard and is now part of USB4's specification.

Apple worked with many tech giants to open source a new home standard https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/8/2...e-open-source-smart-home-standard-2021-launch

 

[wowotoe]

It's a shame that USPTO approved these patents. Peer-to-peer methodology is everywhere. For example, both Biden's team and White House Administration Office confirmed with Congress on the Electoral result, then they can work "directly" or as peer-to-peer on transfer of powers. Same mechanism on how FaceTime users need to authenticated with Apple server before direct connection. So VirnetX will sue Congress next?

 

[cosmolv]

VirnetX are patent troll and nothing more... Apple should give fait for these pakistanian criminals! How even this thing can pass throught by lawyer?

 

[falainber]

What was it that VirnetX released at CES this year? Last year? Oh that's right......nothing.

What exactly does CES have to to with the patents? You seem to be confused. BTW at CBS VirnetX released exactly the same number of products as Apple.

 

[DogGone]

Never reward bad behavior. Apple needs to fight more against paying one red cent to ANY patent troll. If you are not actually using a patent for a product, you shouldn’t be paid for the patent.

That makes sense when it costs you more money to buy the company to get the patent than pay the penalty. VirnetX market cap is 500M and the fines are 1.1B.
Apple have lost multiple cases in this one. They are going to have to pay up. Plus if the patents still cover current devices they will continue to pay more.