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Apple Loses EU Fight Over App Store Gatekeeper Label

Smartuser said:
My first action before I waste my virtual breath on a court's decision is always to check if this can be appealed. Most rumor sites either don't bring this up at all or in a little sentence near the end. This article doesn't even, but there is one.
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The General Court is Europe's second-highest court. So yes, it means that this court's ruling can be appealed to the Court of Justice of the European Union which is Europe's highest court.
 
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Marcpek said:
Interesting take... for me a dictatorship would be the exact opposite, that is: a dictatorship would allow corporations to grow unchecked regardless of consumer rights, until they form oligarchies that completely ignore consumer rights. And it would be completely fine with it as long as the dictator can pocket plenty of bribes. I name no names, if this reminds you of something or someone it's not my fault.
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You've basically described crony capitalism or oligarchy, not a dictatorship. A dictatorship is fundamentally about concentrated, unaccountable political power, not whether corporations are tightly regulated or allowed to grow unchecked. A dictator could either crush corporations or enrich favored ones through bribes and political protection.
 
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sw1tcher said:
The General Court is Europe's second-highest court. So yes, it means that this court's ruling can be appealed to the Court of Justice of the European Union which is Europe's highest court.
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You're coming across as very condescending in a "well duh" way.

The article we're discussing here is titled "Apple Loses EU Fight Over App Store Gatekeeper Label" and not "Apple Loses [...] at Second-Highest EU Court". Additionally, the first sentence of the article mentions "Europe's top court ".

It's not common knowledge everywhere in the world under which circumstances an appeal is possible in EU courts. Also, lesser mortals may be forgiven to think that "top court" means that there is no appeal and it's all over. That phrasing suggests that the person who posted the article here thought that as well.
 
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Marcpek said:
Interesting take... for me a dictatorship would be the exact opposite, that is: a dictatorship would allow corporations to grow unchecked regardless of consumer rights, until they form oligarchies that completely ignore consumer rights. And it would be completely fine with it as long as the dictator can pocket plenty of bribes. I name no names, if this reminds you of something or someone it's not my fault.
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It's not his fault, people throw buzzwords around like they know what they mean when they hear them on the news.....
 
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lusty said:
Most citizens are in favour of this. The culture here is very different to the US.
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The EU citizens can be in favour of ideals of “privacy protection” and “equal opportunities for all market players”, etc. However, I do not think many here are actually in favour of limiting the functionality of devices they use in the EU, compared to the rest of the world. I am an EU citizen and I would like to get an untrimmed version of Siri AI on my Apple devices too.
 
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lusty said:
Democracy. When things are openly voted on it’s called a democracy. Nobody dictated anything, EU citizens voted for their representatives who voted on this law. Most citizens are in favour of this. The culture here is very different to the US.
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Are we allowed to discuss politics in this thread? Personally, I'd rather see the court's decision discussed on its merits, and not another cultural superiority p***ing contest between countries or blocs thereof.
 
pbau said:
Stop.
We need Apple to pay taxes in EU.
We need the same features across all countries (Siri, AI tools, iPhone Mirroring and so on).
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The same EU Parliament whose MPs took bribes from Qatar, the same MPs who are bribed by human traffickers and extremists invading the continent and demanding that the EU implement spyware on every phone so that the criminals can eliminate critics.

The UK government is also bought by the same mafia who abused thousands of teenagers and used the money from trafficking to buy political power.
 
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iMessage will cooperate with RCS so we need no third parties messengers.
i-devices will allow alt AppStores just like Android.
Heck maybe even PCs will be able to message iMessage contacts one day so Apple user do not feel so isolated )))
 
JMalone said:
The same EU Parliament whose MPs took bribes from Qatar, the same MPs who are bribed by human traffickers and extremists invading the continent and demanding that the EU implement spyware on every phone so that the criminals can eliminate critics.

The UK government is also bought by the same mafia who abused thousands of teenagers and used the money from trafficking to buy political power.
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The same EU who wants cameras pointed at the drivers all the time?

I get protecting consumers but not allowing a company to favor its own services over a competitor seems like BS and anti-competitive to me...Apple built their ecosystem, they shouldn't be required to support their competition. If users don't like it, buy Android instead, no one's forced to use iOS.
 
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one more said:
The EU citizens can be in favour of ideals of “privacy protection” and “equal opportunities for all market players”, etc. However, I do not think many here are actually in favour of limiting the functionality of devices they use in the EU, compared to the rest of the world. I am an EU citizen and I would like to get an untrimmed version of Siri AI on my Apple devices too.
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What are you babbling about? This doesn’t reduce any functionality it broadens competition which is a good thing for consumers.
Apple have crippled some iPhone features in the EU, but not because of the EU. That’s why competition is a good thing!
 
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Then Apple will need to comply with the rules, just as they have done before with the alternative browser list (pretty confusing for an average user, IMO), the alternative app stores (not much use either) and the delayed rolling out of Apple Intelligence.

Every problem has a solution; it is just that at the moment both Apple and the EC are in the posturing phase, flexing their political and economic muscles. They will sort it out, eventually, as currently the EU customers (whose interests both Apple and the EC claim to protect) are losing out on the new features.
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Yep every problem has a solution. It’s a lose lose for all involved.
 
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lusty said:
What are you babbling about? This doesn’t reduce any functionality it broadens competition which is a good thing for consumers.
Apple have crippled some iPhone features in the EU, but not because of the EU. That’s why competition is a good thing!
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Apple has crippled phone features precisely because of the eu. These laws don’t broaden competition, they take a working system and give apples functionality and intellectual property away. In no way that is good.
 
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