Well, Apple can get you 25% of the way there if you are prepared to pay $1899 USD. I think it will be at least two more hardware iterations and iOS 15 before 2TB makes an appearance.
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Apple Lowers Price of MacBook Pro's High-End SSD Upgrade Options
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The entire point was that the retina models increased the entry level price by $400 above inflation. Thus, comparing entry level retina models to other entry level retina models is entirely pointless.
Caps off a bad faith argument with snark.
What a nice guy.
Reads like this: Apple margins have been astonishing since long time. Thank you loyal customers!
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2800 dollars to have 4TB ssd.
when you can have 4TB external hdd for 100 dollars.
Basically can get two MacBook Pros for the same price as one MacBook Pro with 4tb
when you can have 4TB external hdd for 100 dollars.
Basically can get two MacBook Pros for the same price as one MacBook Pro with 4tb
they should fix their keyboards first. Other than the ridiculously high prices they have so many quality issues lately.
This is for pros, not consumers. Pro users don’t “store” data on their local hard drive. They use their local hard drive for work space, such as Uncompressed video or research data.
They “store” data on network storage, which may be hundreds of terabytes of data. ICloud is out of the question, since iCloud only stores 2TB instead of the dozens or hundreds of Terabytes pros need.
If you can’t use 2 terabytes of local SSD, this machine is not for you. Maybe try a MacBook or MacBook Air?
Similar story here. I don't have as many VMs as you need, but I have a few that I sometimes need for development, depending on what I'm working on. Windows, Linux, Oracle database, SqlServer database, Visual Studio etc.
I'm still running on a 2015 rMBP, and have zero intention of upgrading until Apple gets it's act together with keyboards, screens, ports, touch bar, user upgradeable RAM and SSD. So basically, since Steve Jobs is no longer around, I'm probably going to end up with a Hackintosh when this lovely machine dies, or I need more than 16GB RAM. In the meantime, I can upgrade the SSD to my heart's content, for a fraction of the cost Apple charges.
Well I wish they lowered the price of the 1TB upgrade. I just bought a 2.6/32gb/1tb/Vega20 machine and would have liked to get a bit of money back.
the problem with iPad is someone fed them after midnight, and now they are popping up, soon we'll see Stripe, Mohawk, Daffy, Lenny...
So now Apple only charges 5 times more than a competitive 3rd party, but because Apple solders them in, there is no 3rd party option.
What sort of pointless comparison is that, how much is a 4TB single chip SSD EXTERNALLY? It's over priced but at least compare apples to apples
Nice news for pros who need huge onboard storage. Regular consumers, however, get no break for lower-size options. Methinks so many have been consistently hammered with the Apple tax for so long that they are numb to it all.
You live in such a parochial world...
If you have data security concerns; keep it local.
If you're working on VMs, need to keep it local
If you're working on lots of files, need to keep it local
If you're working in an internet-restricted location, need to keep it local
Of course, if you play with your stuff, please fill your boots.
And just how much is 4TB of storage in the Apple cloud over the lifetime of a machine? Stop paying and Apple will happily delete it all.
So in your galactic world people put all their eggs in one basket. That makes sense buddy, so anytime an issue arises on your laptop the whole galaxy stops.
Smart terrestrial people will still behave in a smart way and decide not to overload just one single machine. On Earth we have much better options.
in Canadian, Apple's offerings are almost 40% more expensive than retail.
that isn't even comparable.
4TB of internal fast SSD capable of near instantaneous reads/rights with 3Gbps throughput, internal to your device is nothing to scoff at if you're someone who requires a lot of portability with your data, while keeping it accessible and fast. Thunderbolt based storage can get near there, but you're adding a tremendous cost there too.
I don't like Apple's prices of their upgrade options as they tend to be anywhere from 40% to 200% that of retail for similar parts. But trying to compare an internal NVME based storage solution to an external cheap drive is an absolute terrible comparison as they are completely different.
if all you need is some slow spinning storage for media and backup of your files, great. it's cheaper to go external. But if I'm trying to run 2-3 Virtual machines that are 100GB+ each... sorry, external drives are NOT a viable solution.
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I guess you guys are going to buy the whole Azure infrastructure to backup your laptop ♂️
Two questions:
1. W.T.F are you on about?
2. Since when does backing up a local storage require cloud infrastructure?
Why would backups require any cloud infrastructure?
Backing up to local drives is a easy, and fairly affordable solution. there are numerous drive bays, solutions and software options that are available for simple backup solutions.
I just recently built my father a USB based backup solution. 2 x 8tb NAS hard drives in a USB-3 RAID1 drive bay. total cost < $400 CAD. Then setup windows backup/shadow copy on his folders that he stores his data in.
no cloud infrastructure required.
That was sarcastic, as apparently some people is ok to pay as much as the price of a full featured MBP just for a 4TB upgrade. I do believe a mac is far more valuable than an other PC, no matter if 1000 or more the price difference, but I also believe the upgrade price for storage is simply Apple telling you: "You are an idiot, and you are going to pay an arbitrary amount of money to me, because you are an idiot and I can sell you anything".
There is simply no way you can justify $2800 (discounted) on a 4TB storage upgrade today. It's Apple tax. More so because they just cut prices unrelated to price per GB. Or they would cut all prices for storage more or less proportionally. Which means prices are just made up in the first place.
Now here it comes this guy (the one with galaxy-wide broad views) who addresses as parochial smart people who are not idiots and won't just pay any price to apple, and can make the most out of regular sized disks instead. And I read his reasons and frankly they do not hold true that much. There are lots of options out there to do what you need without packing a laptop with s**t.
So the backup and space was clearly not the point. But if you feel good at paying that much for an hard drive you'll probably find a personal cloud a bare necessity for backups.
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The example you used was the Mid-2012 non-Retina 15" MacBook Pro with a starting price of $1799. The model came standard with 4GB of DDR3 DRAM and a 500GB 2.5" HDD, not to mention it had no Retina display. The cost of upgrades back in 2012, either from Apple or from a third party easily propelled the $1799 15" MacBook Pro into the same cost structure as the Retina MacBook Pro offered by default. You can make the argument that the cost could be deferred as upgrading both the DRAM and the storage were possible, but that forced a conscious decision on the user's part to forgo the Retina display and the thinner chassis. I have owned both the Late 2011 non-Retina 15" and the Mid 2012 Retina 15" and the tradeoffs clearly favor the Retina MacBook Pro. The screen alone makes the non-Retina a non-starter.
There is no non-Retina analogue in Apple's lineup today and as the mid-2012 was the last non-Retina 15" MacBook Pro, the reality is that Apple's customers have had 7 years to become accustomed to the pricing that Apple introduced in 2012. After adjusting for inflation, the current pricing is still lower by $200 USD when comparing the same configuration of Core i7/16GB DRAM/256GB SSD/dGPU from 2012 and 2016.
The more valid complaint about the cost of the current generation Retina 15" MacBook Pro is that Apple chose not to offer a version without a dGPU as it did with the $1999 Iris Pro 5200-based entry level model from Late 2013-Mid 2015. Given Intel's lack of progress on iGPU innovation and no Kaby Lake or Coffee Lake 45w TDP CPUs containing an Iris Pro solution, Apple could have offered a $1999 version for the 2016 (Core i7-6770HQ w/Iris Pro 580) only to have to remove it from the lineup in 2017 and have the price increase happen mid-model cycle, which would have been a horrendous look for the company, worse than just keeping it off the market in the first place and introducing the current generation MacBook Pros at the current prices.
Perhaps Apple can offer a 15" MacBook Pro without a dGPU once Intel releases Sunny Cove-based CPUs w/Gen 11 iGPUs. Or they will decide to offer a 15" MacBook Air with a 15w U-Series CPU (i5-8265U, i7-8565U) as many on these forums have wished for a few years now. There is certainly a demand for a larger version of the Air, which would be a new form factor for Apple, allow them to leave the TouchBar to the high end, but still incorporate Touch ID. On the Windows side, the 8265U and 8565U are the Go To for PC OEMs. I think this is a missed opportunity for Apple, but that is my opinion alone.
Surely, you are not advocating that Apple should still be selling a non-Retina 15" MacBook Pro for $1799 in 2019?
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Based on my informal research, a 4TB m.2 NVMe (22x120) does not currently exist for retail sale. Samsung does not have one in their portfolio, neither does Intel, both of which come to mind as the first suppliers likely to offer this in either the consumer or professional arena (NOT talking datacenter). By contrast, 4TB 2.5" SSDs are readily available. However, I am not seeing those readily offered in Windows-based laptops either. Generally, the top offering is a 2TB NVMe stick with room for a single 1TB to 2TB 2.5" HDD...or as I call it, spinning misery.
So, for $2800.00, Apple will install 4TB of NVMe-based NAND storage in the same space as the 256GB, 512GB, 1TB or 2TB storage tiers, which based on iFixit's teardown of the 2016 MacBook Pro means 4 raw NAND chips, two on either side of the board. - https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Touch+Bar+Teardown/73395
Those capacity NAND chips in that kind of density cannot be a cheap proposition in any way, shape or form. Right now Apple is the only company offering a laptop with that much onboard 100% NVMe storage. Accordingly, if you actually need that much storage (photography and video come to mind), the price may be worth it. Whether or not it is worth $2800 up-charge is debatable, but Apple is literally the only game in town for this kind of storage size and speed in a portable computer.
Also, no one who decides that this upgrade is justified in their own mind is an idiot. The cost is what it is and the purchaser decides they can either can bear it or they decide they can live without it. For those who opt to pay the price and it pays off for them in their business, only they need to be satisfied, no one else.
No. I, like the poster I originally replied to, just think that the pricing needs to come back to pre-retina levels.
The KISS answer is a 4TB SATA SSD for $500-$600 retail, but this is capped at SATA3 speeds (600 MB/s), whereas the MBP has been benchmarked at roughly 2,500 MB/s.
For closer performance parity, you'll need NVMe M.2 sticks (or U2) for 3.938 GB/s (theoretical) and since M.2's currently max out at 2TB, you'll have to JBOD a pair. These prices on these are starting to crack ... at Newegg, Samsung 860 EVO for $350; a WD for $260 for 2TB ... so assuming no cost for the interface, figure $600-$800 for 4TB this way.
TL;DR: a theoretical 4TB DIY would be ~$2000 less than what Apple's new reduced price is charging.