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DVDs are a great example of old tech that has benefited from mass production. OLED tvs however, are more expensive than their LCD counterparts. Cars don't seem to get any cheaper for various reasons. Not everything that has been around for a while, declines in price while the apparent value goes up.

A good many do though. HDTV another example. Look at prices of 4K sets.
 
APPLE. Double down on desktop markets. It is the ultimate core business once phones become bubblegum.
 
I’m being a stand up guy, even going as far as saying I was wrong, and you still come back with this response? Wow, lol. Don’t give yourself too much credit. They were killing it based on the facts and are in many ways, still are. I have acknowledged the facts have now changed, but it seems entirely based on iPhone. I believe they can fix it.

Remember, the game still isn’t over and while this was not great news, Apple is still a very strong company. This was primarily an iPhone story in China. The filing flat out says China was responsible for most of the iPhone disappointment. They posted the worst growth in 25 years.

Services, wearables, and the installed base were all reconfirmed as doing great. They NEED the iPhone to do better and I think we will see some strategy change to make it happen.

As I said, I’m disappointed.

You have been discrediting/disrespecting my comments that turned out to be true.

And LOL @ your comment about "they have been killing it and still are". Have you forgot that Apple just revised their guidance?

On a more serious note - Happy New Year. :) (no sarcasm intended for once...)
 
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Once again, the only real problem is China.

Based on the numbers, I would say that Apple sales in China crashed 50% in the last two months. This has nothing to do with the slowdown, they are simply boycotting Apple and switching to Huawei and similar domestic garbage.

Good news is, only another 50% left to go and in the future, China will not play an important role in Apple revenues, making Apple less sensitive to their unpredictable behavior.

I would really like to see the western world to unite and boycott Huawei... (not gonna happen)
 
Apple Lowers Revenue Guidance for Q1 2019 Citing 'Fewer iPhone Upgrades' Than Anticipated

Or maybe people with a 6S realize a $2000 smartphone with no headphone jack and no touch ID isn't such a great upgrade.

Faster CPU doesn't really cut it for the vast majority of users.
 
DVDs are a great example of old tech that has benefited from mass production. OLED tvs however, are more expensive than their LCD counterparts. Cars don't seem to get any cheaper for various reasons. Not everything that has been around for a while, declines in price while the apparent value goes up.

It's like producer cost AND consumer demand have an impact on the quantity and price of goods available.
 
So the CEOs of most companies should be fired? 2018 was rough on most companies in the stock market.

Physicist Leonard Mlodinow wrote an interesting book titled “The Drunkard's Walk: How Randomness Rules Our Lives” that talks about the correlation between decisions by CEOs and business results and how it effects their tenures.
 
Once again, the only real problem is China.

Based on the numbers, I would say that Apple sales in China crashed 50% in the last two months. This has nothing to do with the slowdown, they are simply boycotting Apple and switching to Huawei and similar domestic garbage.

Good news is, only another 50% left to go and in the future, China will not play an important role in Apple revenues, making Apple less sensitive to their unpredictable behavior.

I would really like to see the western world to unite and boycott Huawei... (not gonna happen)

Amazing so many people conveniently ignore the above. That's what it's really about. The Chinese consumption crash was rather sudden, and deep, in the last few months, starting at the end of September.

Chinese consumption tax revenues declined 62% last October, and 71% for November, compared to the same months a year earlier. People are holding tight, no doubt inspired by the Chinese government sending a message with respect to the upcoming trade tariffs.
 
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DVDs are a great example of old tech that has benefited from mass production. OLED tvs however, are more expensive than their LCD counterparts. Cars don't seem to get any cheaper for various reasons. Not everything that has been around for a while, declines in price while the apparent value goes up.

And LCD TV's have declined and then stabilized. You get a boatload of $$ in an LCD today. Microwaves went down in price. LED Bulbs, appliances, computers other than Apple, all have gone down in price.

Cars don't go down because we want more stuff in them, the government mandates they be safer and safer (100 air bags, radar to tell you when you are following too closely, backup cameras, etc), increased performance and fuel economy.

Apple's BOM should be going down - screen prices have generally gone down, NAND memory is down big time (you can get 512GB SSD's for under $100), etc.
 
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Apple can still price their products high, but the rest of us won't have the money to upgrade. A $70 dollar out-of-warranty battery replacement is still better than a $700 phone replacement.

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That is assuming that Apple will even let you do the battery replacement. Prior to this years $29 'no questions asked' battery replacement deal - Apple Genii were notorious for refusing to replace batteries even if the customer offered to pay the $79 fee, unless their "diagnostic tool" stated that the battery was due for service. Apple has not clarified if the "no questions asked" policy will survive the $29 battery replacement deal ending.

If not, all they can do is just raise the bar on the battery service diagnostic check to deny customers a replacement and instead instruct their Genii to pressurize customers to part with their money for a new device.
 
And LCD TV's have declined and then stabilized. You get a boatload of $$ in an LCD today. Microwaves went down in price. LED Bulbs, appliances, computers other than Apple, all have gone down in price.

Cars don't go down because we want more stuff in them, the government mandates they be safer and safer (100 air bags, radar to tell you when you are following too closely, backup cameras, etc), increased performance and fuel economy.

Apple's BOM should be going down - screen prices have generally gone down, NAND memory is down big time (you can get 512GB SSD's for under $100), etc.
Old tech goes down, new tech retains a higher price. Oled for example, even though it’s been around since 1989.
 
Once again, the only real problem is China.

Based on the numbers, I would say that Apple sales in China crashed 50% in the last two months. This has nothing to do with the slowdown, they are simply boycotting Apple and switching to Huawei and similar domestic garbage.

Good news is, only another 50% left to go and in the future, China will not play an important role in Apple revenues, making Apple less sensitive to their unpredictable behavior.

I would really like to see the western world to unite and boycott Huawei... (not gonna happen)

A few countries have already refused to use Huawei equipment (for 5G network) due to security risks.

I am not convinced that not selling to the Chinese market would benefit Apple.
 
Or maybe people with a 6S realize a $2000 smartphone with no headphone jack and no touch ID isn't such a great upgrade.

Faster CPU doesn't really cut it for the vast majority of users.
Actually the max is a great upgrade from my 6s. But your comment on the surface could apply to many older vs newer products.
 
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Pure politics, nothing else. Sad that the companies are so strongly affected by it.

It's a game of chicken played by the leaders of China and the US.
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A few countries have already refused to use Huawei equipment (for 5G network) due to security risks.

I am not convinced that not selling to the Chinese market would benefit Apple.

The opposite. It greatly hurts Apple. This all transpired starting the end of September.

Hopefully some sanity prevails before the trade tariffs kick in for real the beginning of March.
 
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Cars don't go down because we want more stuff in them, the government mandates they be safer and safer (100 air bags, radar to tell you when you are following too closely, backup cameras, etc), increased performance and fuel economy

Not to mention the Chicken Tax on pickup trucks.
 
You have been discrediting/disrespecting my comments that turned out to be true.

And LOL @ your comment about "they have been killing it and still are". Have you forgot that Apple just revised their guidance?

On a more serious note - Happy New Year. :) (no sarcasm intended for once...)
A lot of people speculated things weren’t going well. I wanted to hear it from Apple and see the data because speculation in the past has been TOTALLY wrong. It was right, for once, but not all bad still.

I’m just saying, it’s not like $84B in sales is poor if you just look at the business, profitability, and growth in other areas. It’s lower than they wanted and there are tons of positives.

iPhone in emerging markets and China was bad. That’s the story.

Services still growing at 25%, wearables at 50% growth and other non iPhone at 19% growth, and tremendous increase in user base at +100M in 12 months.

The buyback is going to be epic because the $130B in net cash mentioned by Cook means they didn’t buyback much or any the last 90 days. I’m a very long term investor, so this is positive in the long run.
 
I’m just saying, it’s not like $84B in sales is poor if you just look at the business, profitability, and growth in other areas. It’s lower than they wanted and there are tons of positives.

iPhone in emerging markets and China was bad. That’s the story.

Services still growing at 25%, wearables at 50% growth and other non iPhone at 19% growth, and tremendous increase in user base at +100M in 12 months.

The buyback is going to be epic because the $130B in net cash mentioned by Cook means they didn’t buyback much the last 90 days. Im a very long term investor, so this is positive in the long run,

How much they had at the end of the previous quarter?

I wonder whether Tim has foresaw these political issues 2 years ago?



Sure not, but he’s not to be blamed for that.
 
How much they had at the end of the previous quarter?





Sure not, but he’s not to be blamed for that.
$122.6B

This whole thing smells like they knew this would come and held off on the buyback until the market punished them. I hate that it was a miss, but the buyback being suspended until the bad news was priced in, is going to be good long term.
 
Simple
Lower prices
$1500 iPhones
$1800 IPads
Not rocket science

Tim wanted to test what the market could bear.
Now the bear is bitting back.

Tim fell into his own Reality Distortion Field.

UPDATE:
55 billion dollars wiped out in 1 afternoon due to hubris.


Everyone credited him for Apple's recent success, but now we are seeing the results of his leadership. It took 10 years of Balmer's leadership to crash microsoft.

This is the beginning of the end for him (Hopefully!!)
 
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