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I looked into trading in my MacBook Pro earlier this year, but I was more disappointed in the process than the trade-in values.

When I trade in a car, I only pay sales tax on the difference. So if I trade in a $20,000 car while buying a $40,000 car, I only pay sales tax on the 20,000.

Apple trade-ins don't work that way. If I trade in a $2000 laptop when buying a $4000 laptop, I'm still paying 7% on the full $4000.

So putting it up on eBay still makes financial sense, even though it is such an awful selling experience -- which begs the question...what the heck happened to eBay? When did they become a third world garage sale while commanding such usurious fees?

Where I live at least, if I trade in a device to buy another, Apple discounts the price on the new product and recalculates the sales tax. It actually netted me just over $100 for my MBP than if I had sold on ebay.
 
This discourages recycling

Huh? So you think people are going to say, for example, "Well, if Apple is offering $10 less for my iPad now than they did before, then I guess I might as well not get any money out of it and just throw it in the garbage can"? ?

This isn't going to impact recyling one iota. Come on.
 


Apple this week lowered its estimated trade-in values for select Mac, iPad, and Apple Watch models in the United States.

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Apple has reduced trade-in values for the MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, MacBook, iMac, iMac Pro, Mac Pro, Mac mini, iPad Pro, iPad Air, iPad, iPad mini, Apple Watch Series 3 through Apple Watch Series 6, Apple Watch SE, and select Samsung and Google smartphones. Apple is also no longer accepting Apple Watch Series 2 trade-ins.

iPhone trade-in values are unchanged.

New trade-in values:
  • MacBook Pro: Up to $1,000
  • MacBook Air: Up to $400
  • MacBook: Up to $220
  • iMac Pro: Up to $1,500
  • iMac: Up to $850
  • Mac Pro: Up to $2,000
  • Mac mini: Up to $450
  • iPad Pro: Up to $655
  • iPad Air: Up to $290
  • iPad: Up to $190
  • iPad mini: Up to $200
  • Apple Watch Series 6: Up to $150
  • Apple Watch SE: Up to $120
  • Apple Watch Series 5: Up to $120
  • Apple Watch Series 4: Up to $85
  • Apple Watch Series 3: Up to $50
Previous trade-in values:
  • MacBook Pro: Up to $1,350
  • MacBook Air: Up to $490
  • MacBook: Up to $315
  • iMac Pro: Up to $2,135
  • iMac: Up to $1,200
  • Mac Pro: Up to $2,720
  • Mac mini: Up to $600
  • iPad Pro: Up to $680
  • iPad Air: Up to $335
  • iPad: Up to $200
  • iPad mini: Up to $205
  • Apple Watch Series 6: Up to $170
  • Apple Watch SE: Up to $135
  • Apple Watch Series 5: Up to $135
  • Apple Watch Series 4: Up to $105
  • Apple Watch Series 3: Up to $70
  • Apple Watch Series 2: Up to $20
The full list of values can be found on Apple's trade-in website.

Article Link: Apple Lowers Trade-In Values for Macs, iPads, and Apple Watches
Unbelievable because they are actually worth more based on market. The wait became longer for new models therefore older ones should be holding their value longer than previously.

This is a case of Apple trying to control both the new AND used market. Like automobiles right now value has gone up not down based on supply and demand.
Apple is being disingenuous at best with the used values.
Crazy. It stands to reason if demand for new can’t be fulfilled than of course in the market used holds its value longer and higher. Don’t fall for this!

In Dec they gave me $1900 for my 2019 16” 2tb/32gb /2.4 i9. Towards a 16” loaded Max and they didn’t get used one till mid February when they delivered new one. So the machine is now worth half as much 60 days later? Nah I’m not going for that. Way too much market adjustment on their end.
 
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Unbelievable because they are actually worth more based on market. The wait became longer for new models therefore older ones should be holding their value longer than previously.

This is a case of Apple trying to control both the new AND used market. Like automobiles right now value has gone up not down based on supply and demand.
Apple is being disingenuous at best with the used values.
Crazy. It stands to reason if demand for new can’t be fulfilled than of course in the market used holds its value longer and higher. Don’t fall for this!!!!

I believe trade in values are almost always lower than what you can get for it as a private sale. Think of vehicles, for instance. On the other hand, a trade-in is normally a far quicker and less risky transaction, so it's a compromise.
 
I believe trade in values are almost always lower than what you can get for it as a private sale. Think of vehicles, for instance. On the other hand, a trade-in is normally a far quicker and less risky transaction, so it's a compromise.
Of course they are lower that’s always been the case. In my case it was a couple hundred. But then there is the tax savings which offsets it. All that aside they are over correcting at the moment. That’s my concern.
 
Where I live at least, if I trade in a device to buy another, Apple discounts the price on the new product and recalculates the sales tax. It actually netted me just over $100 for my MBP than if I had sold on ebay.
Not in my state. They only charged me tax on the difference same as an auto trade in.

How can your state have tax savings on auto yet not on tech product? Very wierd.
 
Whenever I’ve traded-in through Apple and didn’t get the trade-in value subtracted from my purchase, my gift card has always included a refund of the sales tax. Or as you put it, I’ve only paid sales tax on the difference.

For purposes of comparison, I always ad 8.25% (for Texas) to Apple’s trade-in values, and often found them highly competitive with most third-party sites.

Nowadays, if you pay with installments, Apple subtracts the trade-in value on the spot, so you can verify before accepting their offer that you only pay sales tax on the difference.
That’s exactly how they did my 16” max. Took the trade in of $1900 off the top. Then added tax to the balance. Plus they give you 12 months at 0%. While I had the cash I figured why not use their $ for next 12 months. They put payment on Apple Card each month. Which we always pay off anyhow.
 
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Which is why I keep my Apple devices till they no longer get any updates. Apple doesn't love that. People need to return the favor to Apple and stop the senseless upgrading every year. Keep your device; the pictures don't look any better on an iPhone 13 Pro versus an iPhone 6s.
There is a lot of satisfaction associated with hanging onto Apple devices and several years later you still have some trade in value. Other than iPhones, 15"/16" MBP's are often used for several years before you sell or trade it for a model that has totally surpassed what you presently use in many ways. You can also look at how many years of usage you achieved without being tempted by modest technology improvements and be very satisfied. ;)
 
Of course it's somebody's choice. Somebody can choose to get ripped off all day long if they want.

My point is there's no reason to get all hyped up about the lowered trade-in values since it's merely one option to unload your current device. As I stated in another post, a trade-in is a compromise. You get a quick, secure transaction compared to a private sale to a stranger, but you take a hit on the value. "Rip off" implies Apple is somehow trying to deceive you. They're not.
 
My point is there's no reason to get all hyped up about the lowered trade-in values since it's merely one option to unload your current device. As I stated in another post, a trade-in is a compromise. You get a quick, secure transaction compared to a private sale to a stranger, but you take a hit on the value. "Rip off" implies Apple is somehow trying to deceive you. They're not.
A "rip off" can, though does not have to imply deceit. If I offer to sell you a Big Mac for $40, you can rightfully tell me "no, that's a rip off." No deceit involved or implied, just clearly not a price appropriate for what's being offered. Coincidentally, that's about the same order of magnitude of rip off as what Apple appears to be offering here, at least on their MBPs.
 
20$ for an Apple Watch 2?? Hey, if you got one, I'll give you double for 40$!
 
A "rip off" can, though does not have to imply deceit. If I offer to sell you a Big Mac for $40, you can rightfully tell me "no, that's a rip off." No deceit involved or implied, just clearly not a price appropriate for what's being offered. Coincidentally, that's about the same order of magnitude of rip off as what Apple appears to be offering here, at least on their MBPs.
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I don't see any definitions that fit your example scenario. All definitions involve deceit or theft. Therefore, "rip off" does not apply to Apple here.
 
It's not surprising at all.

If one is busy and values their time and/or doesn't want to worry about getting scammed or fielding buyers locally and all of that (again, worry about scams) -- it can very much be worth it to folks.

Apple will even send you a box with label and you just ship it off and get an email gift card.
Zip, boom, done.

It's not always for me personally (though I have used it), but I totally understand why some folks use Apple Trade-In

Getting the most money isn't always the top priority for people necessarily.
The 3rd party vendors apple uses to inspect trade in are sketchy at best
 
So many new Mac Silicone computers were bought in record numbers this year, that the “used” market is becoming totally flooded. And due to that same great success of Apple Silicon, buying someone’s three year old Intel-based computer has become way less enticing. Everyone wants an M1. Sorry, but it’s the market, not Apple being unfair. Society has become so “entitled” and so “owed”.

And if you are so worried this will negatively impact recycling and a second life for your laptop, take it to a school, donate it to a needy family - countless ways to give an extended life to a computer. And they do not require Apple to buy it back for what you feel is an acceptable price to subsidize your desire to save the world.
 
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So many new Mac Silicone computers were bought in record numbers this year, that the “used” market is becoming totally flooded. And due to that same great success of Apple Silicon, buying someone’s three year old Intel-based computer has become way less enticing. Everyone wants an M1. Sorry, but it’s the market, not Apple being unfair. Society has become so “entitled” and so “owed”.
The problem I see when occasionally checking on trade in prices, is how Apple doesn't even implement correct feature matches to recent M1 Mac models. You quickly find their trade in system is broken for something recent.
 
that’s why I have like 5 iPhones, 2 MBP and an iPad laying around because mentally I can’t get myself to sell them back to Apple considering how much I initially paid for it ?
And the longer they lay around, the more value they lose, whether at Apple or anyone else for that matter…
 
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It's not surprising at all.

If one is busy and values their time and/or doesn't want to worry about getting scammed or fielding buyers locally and all of that (again, worry about scams) -- it can very much be worth it to folks.

Apple will even send you a box with label and you just ship it off and get an email gift card.
Zip, boom, done.

It's not always for me personally (though I have used it), but I totally understand why some folks use Apple Trade-In

Getting the most money isn't always the top priority for people necessarily.
Or it’s an immediate discount if you’re using the Apple Card…
 
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Which is why I keep my Apple devices till they no longer get any updates. Apple doesn't love that. People need to return the favor to Apple and stop the senseless upgrading every year. Keep your device; the pictures don't look any better on an iPhone 13 Pro versus an iPhone 6s. Trust me, Instagram and Facebook already downgrades them anyway.
Well, that statement certainly is incorrect, but, you can of course do as you please, and so can everyone else
 
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Ok, this is my fault for not being precise and distinguishing the verb form from the noun-form in my response. Your original statement used the term in the verb form, saying Apple was ripping people off. In that form (an action), it DOES always imply some form of deceit/dishonesty. Used as a noun, yes, it can in a very casual sense simply mean "I don't think x is worth that". But that's not the same thing as saying "vipergts2207 ripped me off" for instance.
 
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