Surely you realize that by posting dictionary definitions and arguing the noun versus verb form of a word that you’re getting completely lost in the weeds here on the pettiest of semantics? I’m going to toss semantics aside here and state that Apple is severely undervaluing the products their customers own. Of course someone is allowed to sell their device to Apple at their undervalued offer, but that doesn’t change the fact that what Apple is offering is pretty terrible.
This is a good point, but it depends.
But Apple is going green remember? Hence the no more charging adapters! but hey, lets nickel and dime our customers because we are greedy as f$&k until they stop using this process.
As I said, I’m going to ignore the petty semantics. Obviously not everyone will have a maxed out device, but then they’re also not going to get the “up to $1000” amount either. A base model you spent $2k on might only get you a few hundred bucks from Apple, who will of course turn around and resell that MBP for $1500+.
But I bet you couldn’t sell it for $1,500+ on eBay, or Marketplace. And if you could, just do it then. It’s simple. People pay significantly more to buy from Apple, versus you, because you will sell “as is” and “all sales final”. Apple is “selling” so much more than the device - they are selling trust. But that added value, that “more”, costs Apple - and you are not able to sell that “more” back to Apple with your trade-in - it’s literally not yours to sell. But it’s part of the package when they put it back out again. Why do you deserve a piece of that Apple assurance and trust that is bundled into every Apple sale, the reason people pay more?
I didn’t say I “deserve” anything. I said what Apple is offering to buy the product for is a rip-off. Certainly the buyer from Apple is on the better end of the deal than the one who sold the product to Apple, but I never argued otherwise. Your mention of what you could get on eBay brings up another good point. One of the appeals of Apple products is that unlike most electronics, Apple products hold their value fairly well. With this move Apple actually undercuts the formerly great resale of their own products by throwing out such lowball offers to sellers. What makes this even more remarkable is that even though significant inflation has made every dollar worth less, Apple still cut the payout for these sales. To me it makes it seem like Apple really doesn’t want to purchase these used products, but is willing to do so for next to nothing if people insist on selling them specifically back to Apple.
At the same time that they raise the prices, they lower the trade-in values!
Apple this week lowered its estimated trade-in values for select Mac, iPad, and Apple Watch models in the United States.
Apple has reduced trade-in values for the MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, MacBook, iMac, iMac Pro, Mac Pro, Mac mini, iPad Pro, iPad Air, iPad, iPad mini, Apple Watch Series 3 through Apple Watch Series 6, Apple Watch SE, and select Samsung and Google smartphones. Apple is also no longer accepting Apple Watch Series 2 trade-ins.
iPhone trade-in values are unchanged.
New trade-in values:
Previous trade-in values:
- MacBook Pro: Up to $1,000
- MacBook Air: Up to $400
- MacBook: Up to $220
- iMac Pro: Up to $1,500
- iMac: Up to $850
- Mac Pro: Up to $2,000
- Mac mini: Up to $450
- iPad Pro: Up to $655
- iPad Air: Up to $290
- iPad: Up to $190
- iPad mini: Up to $200
- Apple Watch Series 6: Up to $150
- Apple Watch SE: Up to $120
- Apple Watch Series 5: Up to $120
- Apple Watch Series 4: Up to $85
- Apple Watch Series 3: Up to $50
The full list of values can be found on Apple's trade-in website.
- MacBook Pro: Up to $1,350
- MacBook Air: Up to $490
- MacBook: Up to $315
- iMac Pro: Up to $2,135
- iMac: Up to $1,200
- Mac Pro: Up to $2,720
- Mac mini: Up to $600
- iPad Pro: Up to $680
- iPad Air: Up to $335
- iPad: Up to $200
- iPad mini: Up to $205
- Apple Watch Series 6: Up to $170
- Apple Watch SE: Up to $135
- Apple Watch Series 5: Up to $135
- Apple Watch Series 4: Up to $105
- Apple Watch Series 3: Up to $70
- Apple Watch Series 2: Up to $20
Article Link: Apple Lowers Trade-In Values for Macs, iPads, and Apple Watches
I think Apples trade in values against recent macs is totally bogus. It has no lookup against hardware configuration specifics against a 24” iMac as a example. Does it turn on, boot OK, does it have any scratches? Heck the s/n lookup is missing ram installed. So you have no way to compare value between the cheapest 8/7 config to well kitted with most options. There is only one value for all configurations. Dare I say someone needs to be let go in some position. Yep it’s that bad.
More semantics I guess. No, you did not say “deserve”. That’s my word, based on you thinking it’s a “rip-off” to get below what you clearly believe Apple “should” offer you (again, my word). I don’t think Apple is too concerned about the used computer market. I don’t recall the point of Apple hardware holding resale value being a talking point by Steve or Tim at an Apple event, ever. Yet their brand holds its value well when I compare to HP, Dell, etc when I see those on Marketplace. Apple can see the trend in used (especially Intel) computers better than any of us. With announcements by other chip makers of similar coming chip advancements, I think the last Gen of chips will be hit even harder soon. Add inflation and a slower economy - Apple knows exactly why the trade-ins are worth less recently.
If I willingly buy a Big Mac for $40, that’s a rip-off but there was no deceit involved. If I tell my friend I bought a Big Mac for $40, they’ll tell me I was ripped-off. Also no deceit involved. But sure, continue deflecting from the actual topic at hand. You sound like Clinton in the 90’s. “It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is.”
I understood that. But if you think Apple is giving someone $1000 for a late-model maxed out MBP and $900 for a base model MBP, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. A $2k base model probably isn’t getting much more than $400.
Of course Tim and Apple aren’t all that concerned about the used market, at least not directly. High resale values are a benefit to the consumer. However it also benefits Apple indirectly. If a consumer can sell their old device for almost as much as they paid for it, then they’re all the more happy to do that and buy the new shiny. When a consumer starts getting significantly less for their current hardware though, suddenly upgrading isn’t such an easy and obvious choice.
Typically, when members ‘post and run’ posting “Planned obsolescence”, but don’t back their statement with any credibility or explanation of why they say or believe that, then I suspect those same people don’t understand planned obsolescence actually means.
