Apple Makes Gains in U.S. Smartphone Market Share

[samcraig]

Out of 6 points and you answer two. You say his/her rationalisation is hilarious yet your last line is... well, childish.
Where is the vote down button?

I wasn't aware I had to address every one. And I wouldn't because they aren't worth responding to. Based on his rantings and previous posts in other threads - he's one of those "extreme" posters. Something doesn't need work - it's the worst crap ever created.

My last line is far from childish. For someone to have so much perceived hate in them for that kind of rant one has to wonder what google did to piss him off so much. He makes it very "personal" on this forum his disdain.

And the vote down button was taken away because it's childish. I'm not sure the vote up button is any better. But at least without a downote button - people have to either "get over it" or respond. Unfortunately - you chose to just comment on my post. You didn't actually add anything to the conversation. Not productive. Much like just hitting a down button.

 

[iGrip]

That's like comparing 5 towns, each with a Burger King and only one of those towns also has a McDonalds and saying Burger King outsells McDonalds...

In your example, it would be completely true and completely fair to say that Burger King outsells McDonalds.

Facts are facts.

Y'know what else are facts? PCs outsell Macs at around 10 to 1. Android phones outsell iOS phones by a wide margin. Some people have trouble dealing with reality.

All these are facts.

 

[iphoneclassic]

I really don't think it's right to call android the largest "smartphone platform", because:

1. Looking just at "smartphones" is selective reporting to try and exclude the market where Apple has had the most success, skewing the numbers in favor of android.

Every survey uses selective sampling and reporting. In this case they used data from Age group 13+, why. We all know people younger than that use smartphones. Is Android more popular with say 8-13 year olds. Who knows.

 

[samcraig]

Maybe he's got this gem in mind:

"We did not enter the search business, Jobs said. They entered the phone business. Make no mistake they want to kill the iPhone. We won’t let them,"


Maybe he think that he is one of the "we" who is not letting Google "kill" the iPhone? If so, somebody needs to tell him that he is too late.

Oh - and tell him that he is NOT one of the "we" that Jobs was referring to. He is a mere customer. He's not one of Jobs' "we".

Sometimes I wonder if that was the royal we. As in Jobs' "me, myself and I"

 

[iGrip]

What does Android sucking have to do with the article or the fact that Android is leading the smart phone market share.

If you claim that Android is not "smart", then you can claim that Apple has 100% of the Smartphone market. See? That is how it all makes sense. That is how you will be able to sleep at night.


/s

 

[samcraig]

In your example, it would be completely true and completely fair to say that Burger King outsells McDonalds.

Facts are facts.

Y'know what else are facts? PCs outsell Macs at around 10 to 1. Android phones outsell iOS phones by a wide margin. Some people have trouble dealing with reality.

All these are facts.

People sure do get bent out of shape and try to manipulate/rationalize. Like I said earlier (by the way I agree with you - because you can't NOT agree. Facts are Facts) - there is no such thing as a perfect survey because there will always be something you can argue (time frame, # of samples, quality of samples, etc). All moot. This report is the report.

But how I do love awkward analogies in threads like these and others.

I also love comments like "Well I never see anyone with an [x] phone - all I see are [y] phones wherever I am." CLEARLY that's scientific and can be used to determine worldwide sales figures.

 

[iGrip]

... but still, the inability to run Windows AND Mac apps is a problem.

Why is it a problem to not be able to run Mac apps? Do they have any exclusive apps that are indispensable for education? I mean, once the kids leave school, the vast, vast majority of them will never touch a Mac again in their entire lives. Why is the ability to run Mac apps in school any advantage whatsoever?

 

[samcraig]

Why is it a problem to not be able to run Mac apps? Do they have any exclusive apps that are indispensable for education? I mean, once the kids leave school, the vast, vast majority of them will never touch a Mac again in their entire lives. Why is the ability to run Mac apps in school any advantage whatsoever?

It's also entirely possible that these school kids will have completely different software and computer hardware experiences from when they are in school and when they are in the real world as well.

I know I'm not doing much on the TRS-80 and the "software" it came with when I first began using one.

 

[dreadnort]

One thing that is not running is Linux or a Linux derivative

iOS is derived from OS X, with which it shares the Darwin foundation

 

[iGrip]

The FF analogy is simple. In order to get accurate # McDonalds would also have to be in all 5 towns to see what each towns customers prefer..them or BK.

Imagine a pie baker who sells his wares only in his own shop. Using your methods, he would look only to his own shop, and conclude that he has 100% market share as compared with every other pie maker on the planet.

It would be an eercise with very little value. As would trying to determine global or national market share of any product, including cellphones, while leaving out major sources of the goods in question.

 

[samcraig]

Imagine a pie baker who sells his wares only in his own shop. Using your methods, he would look only to his own shop, and conclude that he has 100% market share as compared with every other pie maker on the planet.

It would be an eercise with very little value. As would trying to determine global or national market share of any product, including cellphones, while leaving out major sources of the goods in question.

Do people not drive in these towns if they don't have a McDonalds or Burger King in the immediate area? How far apart are these towns? What's the price of gasoline?

See where I'm going with this.... LOL

 

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[iGrip]

I wonder how many other families are doing the same with just iPods,

From everything I have heard, I'd go with "so few that saying 'nobody' is pretty close to accurate".

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You guys are just sticking fingers in your ears and only choose to believe the statistics you want to believe and ignore everything else. No wonder so many of you don't get why Apple's share price has crashed by over 40% in just six months. The reality is that Apple is in a downward spiral:

AAPL: Citi Cuts Estimates, Target to $480 on Slowing iPhone, iPad Demand

We loved the Analysts when they predicted that AAPL was going to top $1000.00.

No, on second thought, we hated them because we thought that AAPL was worth so much more than that!

Oh well, at least we're consistent. The Analysts are WRONG!

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There is a lot if truth in this. Which is why Apple need to change their ways and make some mid and low end handsets to cater for that end of the market. If they did I think they would mop up.

Apple has no interest in "mopping up". Profits are just a side-effect - pretty much accidental - to what Apple wants to do.

All that Apple has ever wanted to do is to produce the best gosh-darn products for the people that it loves: the customers. Nothing else is important to anybody at Apple. They get up in the morning to bring good things to life. And nothing else.


/s

 

[BaldiMac]

Are you talking about smaller US carriers, or non US carriers?

I'm talking about the US, and the big three currently have about 80% of the total subscribers. So, how the 20% left work doesn't really matter in the big picture.

It appears to me that the post you were originally responding to was about global market share.

And, obviously, US subscribers outside the big three do matter as Apple has over a 50% share with the big three and only 38% overall in the US.

 

[GenesisST]

Here is a thought for you. The Kindle Fire and Samsung Galaxy tab are toys. The IPad has 93% of enterprise market share. Read the Amazon reviews. Most people buying a Fire also own an IPad, with many buying the Fire for their kids due to parental controls.
http://media.www1.good.com/documents/Good-Q4-Device-Activations.pdf

The only reason anyone knows what the GS3 is has to do with the 12billion dollar anti-apple advertising blitzkrieg that Samsung has been pushing. An overwhelming number of GS3 owners purchased it due to advertising combined with Carriers pushing it before the IPhone 5 due to LTE. Google "Cracked GS3". The GS3 is an expensive phone, built with stolen designs, that break easily and cost a fortune to fix. Android is a competent OS, built around stolen ideas, that is being used by cell phone makers to sell massive amounts of devices without having to build their own software.

http://www.asymco.com/2012/11/29/the-cost-of-selling-galaxies/

That might be true, but my iPad is a "toy"... I have no absolute need for it.

 

[k995]

I really don't think it's right to call android the largest "smartphone platform", because:

Such a large post for basicly saying "I want mine to be bigger then yours"

These stats are being distorted by the propaganda of android fans who claim that it is a platform, and a smartphone platform at that and that it is dominant

As if youre post ist filled with propaganda and distortion?

 

[nia820]

People use iPhones more because they last longer. It's not built from really poor quality plastic (ala Samsung). It's got software updates for at least twice or thrice as long as Android based devices (exception are Nexus devices). And let's not forget there are better quality apps on iOS in general. Oh and iOS is easier to use and the interface is consistent across multiple devices, multiple versions of the OS.

You are not serious right? None of these smart phones today are built to last. The only phones built to last are dumb phones.

 

[C42D]

Here is a thought for you. The Kindle Fire and Samsung Galaxy tab are toys. The IPad has 93% of enterprise market share. Read the Amazon reviews. Most people buying a Fire also own an IPad, with many buying the Fire for their kids due to parental controls.
http://media.www1.good.com/documents/Good-Q4-Device-Activations.pdf

The only reason anyone knows what the GS3 is has to do with the 12billion dollar anti-apple advertising blitzkrieg that Samsung has been pushing. An overwhelming number of GS3 owners purchased it due to advertising combined with Carriers pushing it before the IPhone 5 due to LTE. Google "Cracked GS3". The GS3 is an expensive phone, built with stolen designs, that break easily and cost a fortune to fix. Android is a competent OS, built around stolen ideas, that is being used by cell phone makers to sell massive amounts of devices without having to build their own software.

http://www.asymco.com/2012/11/29/the-cost-of-selling-galaxies/

EXACTLY. Invent something new.... oh, but you can't because you have no vision or purpose, beyond stealing ideas to maximize your own profit. Refer to the samsung presentation in the Case vs. Apple.

Apple puts design first. Maybe the competition could do the same. Try inventing a new OS that doesn't look and work exactly like iOS. Try inventing a phone that isn't a blatant ripoff of the original iPhone concept. Try inventing a new device that changes the market (iPod, iPhone, iPad)...

/end

 

[samcraig]

EXACTLY. Invent something new.... oh, but you can't because you have no vision or purpose, beyond stealing ideas to maximize your own profit. Refer to the samsung presentation in the Case vs. Apple.

You clearly don't understand what that document was about.

 

[Unggoy Murderer]

I really don't think it's right to call android the largest "smartphone platform", because:

...

That's the most amount of sense I've seen from someone here in a very long time. Well said, Sir.

 

[balamw]

MOD NOTE: Thread closed temporarily for review/clean up. You can think of this as extended recess.

B

 

[dejo]

Mod Note: This thread is now reopened. Please remain civil or it will get locked again.

 

[Oletros]

iOS is derived from OS X, with which it shares the Darwin foundation

And Darwin has nothing to do with Linux

 

[AppleScruff1]

EXACTLY. Invent something new.... oh, but you can't because you have no vision or purpose, beyond stealing ideas to maximize your own profit. Refer to the samsung presentation in the Case vs. Apple.

Apple puts design first. Maybe the competition could do the same. Try inventing a new OS that doesn't look and work exactly like iOS. Try inventing a phone that isn't a blatant ripoff of the original iPhone concept. Try inventing a new device that changes the market (iPod, iPhone, iPad)...

/end

Microsoft covered the OS part with Windows Phone 8. And it looks like Nokia and HTC, et al have done it with phones that aren't iPhone clones. And correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think that Apple invented the portable music player, tablet or smarthphone.

 

[rjohnstone]

It's also entirely possible that these school kids will have completely different software and computer hardware experiences from when they are in school and when they are in the real world as well.

I know I'm not doing much on the TRS-80 and the "software" it came with when I first began using one.

Loved my TRS-80, but never used it or any of the programming I learned on it beyond the 6th Grade.

My daughter's school does all their communications and collaborations via Google educational services.
The device used to access it is irrelevant.
A point I was trying to make in earlier posts before I realized this is the wrong crowd for this type of discussion.

Schools are seeing the benefit of web only devices (Chromebooks for example). They're cheaper to buy, cheaper to maintain. No huge software license deals to get locked into either.
My daughter loves it because she can access her school work or school email from any browser.

A lot of school district administrators are seeing this and not renewing those expensive contracts.