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Certainly sounds like progress! A few more features like this and I can dump the dumpster fire that is Waze forever.
Agree that Apple Maps will have trouble competing with Waze until crowdsourced hazard info (including traps and LEOs) have really arrived. Disagree that Waze is a dumpster fire. In fact, it’s the only Google product I’m willing to use.
 
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I’m really excited about this new feature. Just a few days ago I was using Apple Maps. As I drove down the road I noticed a street by the same name as the one I needed. About 5 miles later I was instructed to turn, turn again and another 5 miles later I was deposited where I was 10 miles previous and at my intended destination. Apple should really get out of the nav business. It has utterly no idea what it’s doing.
Strange. Apple Maps is the preferred choice of hundreds of millions of iPhone users and is used Billions of times a week when they have a plethora of free mapping apps.
 
Agree that Apple Maps will have trouble competing with Waze until crowdsourced hazard info (including traps and LEOs) have really arrived. Disagree that Waze is a dumpster fire. In fact, it’s the only Google product I’m willing to use.
“Trouble competing”? You can already install Waze for free in less than a minute, yet Apple Maps is the overwhelming choice of iPhone users. Hmmm
 
There is a reason why a lot of big cities in e.g. the USA have Dutch roots, like New Amsterdam. Never underestimate the power of the Dutch, we are the prove that size does not matter :D;)!
Portugal would like to have a word with you...
 
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“Trouble competing”? You can already install Waze for free in less than a minute, yet Apple Maps is the overwhelming choice of iPhone users. Hmmm

Perhaps the more important thing to take from his post is that, for daily commuters, Waze is often the go-to simply because of those hazard notices -- and that Apple can't compete with that since it doesn't offer it (yet). Not that Apple Maps can't compete on the whole.
 
Is the cop is hiding under your dashboard pushing down on the accelerator? If not, please explain how it is "borderline entrapment"?
Speed cameras are often a revenue tool rather than a safety improvement. Sudden significant changes in the limit, or placing a speed camera at the bottom of a hill where a driver typically may temporarily exceed the speed limit as the adjust to the grade can be used to generate revenue and a speed camera automates that process.

A cop patrolling or sitting by the side of a road provides a visual clue that slows down drivers; you could argue that speed camera warnings improve safety by slowing drivers own.

Furthermore, does your country have red-light cameras, that take a photograph when they detect movement through the intersection a second or so after the light turns red? Would you also consider those to be "borderline entrapment"?

The problem with red light cameras is the timing of the yellow. Adjust the timing so as more drivers get caught is entrapment and leads to more rear end collisions as drivers slam on breaks. In addition, some jurisdictions made them an administrative fee too to do an end around about your ability to contest them in court, no doubt to avoid having to deal with an influx of cases. So yea, I consider them entrapment and a number of jurisdictions banned them for good reason.
What about cops patrolling the highway, and pulling over cars that are exceeding the speed limit, or otherwise breaking road rule(s)? Would you suggest that is also "borderline entrapment"?

No, that's a cop doing their job and exercising judgement on what is unsafe.
“Trouble competing”? You can already install Waze for free in less than a minute, yet Apple Maps is the overwhelming choice of iPhone users. Hmmm

Having it installed does not equate to using an app. While I agree many users will use an installed app by default there's certainly a significant percentage of users, based on my experience, that use Waze or Google maps. I'm not so sure Apple Maps are an iPhone user's overwhelming choice.
 
No need for this in the UK. The cameras are on every other over head gantry and every set of road works is a 50pm average speed limit for miles and miles and miles.
Going through the very old episodes of Top Gear (and I think the study/stats are refreshed in The Grand Tour on Amazon) there was an hilarious section where they showed research regarding exactly this topic:
  • Showed the map of England flooded by speed cameras
  • Black spots where most accidents happen still didn’t have cameras
  • Graphs of fatal accidents and revenue showing an exponential increase in revenue but the accidents themselves neither increasing nor decreasing.
  • Mentions the big major causes of accidents.
They also mention other things and construction sections but can’t remember, with their tongue in cheek and British humor of course.

We will soon be looking back wishing speed cameras were still in operation as in the future our cars will be controlled 24/7 by digital data and any fines for traffic infringements will automatically be deducted from our bank accounts. If the infringement leads to a driving ban our vehicles will then just stop.

I saw in China that one company had cameras in their lorry drivers' cabs and if the drivers were distracted more than say 3 times, such as yawning etc. they were then fined.

So as drivers do we use the technology to break the law or does the law use it to prevent us? Who knows, soon cars will be programmed so that in speeding zones it will be impossible for the car to break the speeding limit. Or would the state lose too much money in fines by doing something like that?

One thing for sure is I am glad that my crazy adolescent days behind the wheel are over and I had fun and never killed anyone along the way, though I did hurt myself after having a few crashes.
Solid comment, the lorry drivers camera is a bit scary all at the same time.
The last paragraph lands home solidly for me, I was reflecting about exactly that during the weekend.

Is the cop is hiding under your dashboard pushing down on the accelerator? If not, please explain how it is "borderline entrapment"?

Furthermore, does your country have red-light cameras, that take a photograph when they detect movement through the intersection a second or so after the light turns red? Would you also consider those to be "borderline entrapment"?

What about cops patrolling the highway, and pulling over cars that are exceeding the speed limit, or otherwise breaking road rule(s)? Would you suggest that is also "borderline entrapment"?
Long stretch to entertain the idea: maybe what could occur is that people will get used to see cameras on the map, then a whole lot more of speeding will be happening because the map may show no cameras in a section yet there are hidden ones.
 
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I’m really excited about this new feature. Just a few days ago I was using Apple Maps. As I drove down the road I noticed a street by the same name as the one I needed. About 5 miles later I was instructed to turn, turn again and another 5 miles later I was deposited where I was 10 miles previous and at my intended destination. Apple should really get out of the nav business. It has utterly no idea what it’s doing.
This joke kills in 2012.
 
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Entrapment suggests the cops tries to make it enticing for you to speed and to catch and entrap you.

Speed traps does literally the oppposite.

Four lanes of empty highway in each direction, speed limit set to 60 where you could safely do twice that? It’s a trap!
 
Speed cameras are often a revenue tool rather than a safety improvement. Sudden significant changes in the limit, or placing a speed camera at the bottom of a hill where a driver typically may temporarily exceed the speed limit as the adjust to the grade can be used to generate revenue and a speed camera automates that process.

A cop patrolling or sitting by the side of a road provides a visual clue that slows down drivers; you could argue that speed camera warnings improve safety by slowing drivers own.



The problem with red light cameras is the timing of the yellow. Adjust the timing so as more drivers get caught is entrapment and leads to more rear end collisions as drivers slam on breaks. In addition, some jurisdictions made them an administrative fee too to do an end around about your ability to contest them in court, no doubt to avoid having to deal with an influx of cases. So yea, I consider them entrapment and a number of jurisdictions banned them for good reason.


No, that's a cop doing their job and exercising judgement on what is unsafe.


Having it installed does not equate to using an app. While I agree many users will use an installed app by default there's certainly a significant percentage of users, based on my experience, that use Waze or Google maps. I'm not so sure Apple Maps are an iPhone user's overwhelming choice.
Cities can’t just set up cameras anywhere. There are laws and policies and court decisions. If one would ever be placed on the bottom of a hill, it would likely be a result of a massively disproportionate accident zone. Still, I’ve never seen one there. So, I wouldn’t be too worried about some random worste case scenario you made up.

Just don’t speed.
If you don’t speed or run red lights, you can’t get a ticket. How about just leaving on time or generally respecting all the drivers around you?

The main thing people don’t like about these automatic tickets is that it’s impossible to argue when they have a picture of you doing it. Plus there is no cop to flirt with or scream at 😂 to try and wiggle out of it.
 
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Sudden significant changes in the limit, or placing a speed camera at the bottom of a hill where a driver typically may temporarily exceed the speed limit as the adjust to the grade can be used to generate revenue and
So you’re saying the driver is either unwilling or unable to control the vehicle at the posted limit?

Cry me a river.
 
Four lanes of empty highway in each direction, speed limit set to 60 where you could safely do twice that? It’s a trap!
In my experience the people making the most noise about speed limits being “too low” tend to either massively oversimplify things or flat out ignore context.
 
Good, a hidden cops speed trap is borderline entrapment.
Let's ignore that and go with "hidden cops, unmarked cop cars, speed light cameras are 100% purely about revenue and NOT safety". This means the city is, inherently, against the citizens.
Unmarked cop cars should not, under ANY circumstances, be able to pull someone over for a traffic violation.
Speed Light Cameras should be uniquely and clearly marked, if not out-right banned.
Hidden cops should not be allowed to write traffic violations except for reckless driving.
At the end of the day, if the goal isn't safety -- it should be banned or heavily restricted to the point it's not even really worth it.
 
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A few weeks, I used Apple nav to find a new ramen restaurant in my home city. I noticed getting red light camera warnings for the first time. Unfortunately for Apple, the city outlawed red light cameras three years ago, and they were all removed.
 
Good, a hidden cops speed trap is borderline entrapment.

no speed traps would be nonsensical lowering of the speed limit on a stretch of an Interstate for no reason other than it crosses into a municipality’s jurisdiction.

Speed cameras are for local streets where you are SUPPOSE to drive safely.
 
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