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Apple May Introduce 'Biggest Camera Jump Ever' in Next-Generation iPhone

MacOSXI said:
A phone filming in 4K with only 16 GB of storage :D How long could you film in 4K, 3 minutes ?
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Question is, would you really buy a 16GB phone if filming on 4K was your thing? People seem to forget that there are plenty people who all they do on their phone is browse the internet, use some apps, some emails, take few pics and that's it. I know myself quite a few.

Myself I knew what I wanted and went for 64GB.
 
3 things ....
1] Isn't Apple 2 years ahead, hence, working on "iPhone 7S" now?
2] Doesn't Sony's "Xperia" phone blow iPhone's away?
3] Maybe I'll come home in the Spring ....
 
RockSpider said:
That's the funniest thing I've ever heard, no not really, everyone on here thinks that Apple invented the Universe.
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lol there are some people that think Apple didn't invent the personal computer industry with the Apple computer in 1976.
 
daneoni said:
People said the same thing about point and shoot cameras.
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And that was true isn't it? They are decent, but nowhere near a full frame sensor.

Then again neither is an APS-C sensor, or a full frame compared to a medium format etc.

It is a pointless discussion, however the chap you responded to was right. It is a simple matter of physics. No matter how much you improve and noise reduce etc you will just never get to the same level.

The question is, does it matter it doesn't get to the same level? I don't think it does.
 
DSLR quality imaging... from a sensor the size of a pinhead... Rrrrright...

Personally, I'd settle for acceptable snapshot image quality under more than just bright afternoon sunlight. Hell, even under gloomy autumn heavy overcast mid-day light like we've been having here lately, iPhone camera IQ sucks, as does every other phone I've held. But I guess if your target it to take photos with a phone and only display them on a phone screen, it's ok.
 
bpeeps said:
Gotta sell that S update somehow.
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iPhone 6S, you say?

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throttlemeister said:
DSLR quality imaging... from a sensor the size of a pinhead... Rrrrright...

Personally, I'd settle for acceptable snapshot image quality under more than just bright afternoon sunlight. Hell, even under gloomy autumn heavy overcast mid-day light like we've been having here lately, iPhone camera IQ sucks, as does every other phone I've held. But I guess if your target it to take photos with a phone and only display them on a phone screen, it's ok.
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people don't care about picture quality. Instamatic picture quality from the 1970s were abysmal and they sold a lot (and there were better cameras back then if you were ready to spend just a bit more).

That's what worries me. Cannon and the like will be destroyed because people just don't really care (and probably never did... ). Before, those companies could use the mid range cameras to prop up their high end operations (like some car makers with F1 or Nascar), but that's been eroded away.

Even worse, they think their crap snapshots are masterpieces!! So, you get a flood of really bad pictures even though spending just $300 you could make something 10 times better (but obviously not as convenient). I blame the camera makers for their slowness in integrating networking in their cameras for part of the sales downturn.
 
The whole "it will be as good as a DSLR" is as stupid as the "games will be console quality" statement.

They aren't. It won't. At the moment the iPhone can do games as well as PS3 or X360 and when did they come out? 10 years ago?
 
mozumder said:
They really need to get that image-stabilization into the smaller model first...
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They really don't. It only works on stills on the 6+ doesn't it? I take pictures of my friends. If the shutter is low enough to be blurry without IS then it's not going to benefit me with IS anyway!
 
mozumder said:
lol there are some people that think Apple didn't invent the personal computer industry with the Apple computer in 1976.
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I don't think you can invent something ten years after it was invented, but hey, with Apple I believe anything.
 
I really wish there was an option to collapse quotes. It's ridiculous when people quote a page long article just to reply to it with a one-liner.
 
Yes, it won't give you "DSLR quality". However, I think the important question is when this no longer matters. A modern compact can compete with an old DSLR. The first DSLR's didn't even have decent performance (according to today's standards) at ISO 800! It's not a fair comparison to make though, since a modern compact should be compared to a modern DSLR, where they, of course, still lag behind a lot.

However we'll get to a stage where the relative photo quality is of little interest (i.e. compact vs DSLR differences), and the absolute photo quality from a viewer's perspective matters more and more (i.e. how does this well composed photo look; I'm not going to tell you which camera I used).

The smartphone cameras have been eating into compact camera profits for years already and they're winning. I think they're now about to start eating budget DSLR profits.

There are some areas they won't be able to touch though; things like pro quality resolution, dynamic range, and subject isolation. These are directly related to things like sensor areas and lens element sizes. However I think that in 5-10 years, we'll have entered a stage where we have smartphone cameras for amateurs and even prosumers, and compact mirrorless cameras for professionals. I think the amateur DSLR segment will die as well and news like these are the first signs of it. Those DSLR's that people bought to "get better photos than from my compact" but not "to match my composition and portraiture skills as a professional photographer". The recent DSLR trend since 5 years back seems to be heavily influenced by amateur users purchasing them and I think that's where we're going to see changes.
 
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I am interested to see what the Xperia Z4 camera ends up like, knowing Sony they'll announce it at CES. I don't believe for a second that any camera phone will match a DSLR though for a very very very very long time, a pin hole lens can't match a big must glass lens er lens, and a big sensor also.
Although i will say, for a pin hole sized sensor and those tiny lenses, the quality manufacturers have managed to squeeze out of them is something else! I am still looking for my perfect one, I think soon I will find it. It may be Apple if the standard iPhone 6 has a OIS in it, although Sonys digital stabilisation is fantastic and just as good as OIS, but then you need other trickery for low light performance too.
 
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Please no more megapixels, can't use all the ones I have now. Also no lens gimmicks, just give me full manual control, that would be awesome.
 
I use my camera a lot. I hope this will be as good as it sounds. I'm very happy with the camera in my 6 as it is right now... For my needs. The noise doesn't affec what I do with the camera.
 
hestroy said:
If display will 3D, then camera should be 3D too.
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If the dual camera lenses support 3D photography then I'm definitely buying the next iPhone that supports this.

It's about time cameras moved into the 21st century and support 3D imaging.
 
Keirasplace said:
people don't care about picture quality. Instamatic picture quality from the 1970s were abysmal and they sold a lot (and there were better cameras back then if you were ready to spend just a bit more).

That's what worries me. Cannon and the like will be destroyed because people just don't really care (and probably never did... ). Before, those companies could use the mid range cameras to prop up their high end operations (like some car makers with F1 or Nascar), but that's been eroded away.

Even worse, they think their crap snapshots are masterpieces!! So, you get a flood of really bad pictures even though spending just $300 you could make something 10 times better (but obviously not as convenient). I blame the camera makers for their slowness in integrating networking in their cameras for part of the sales downturn.
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Indeed.

I've pointed out the sad fact on this forum for a few years now - phone camera quality has gone up along with DSLR, etc - but yet everyone now (over)processes their photos either with apps or websites to make them look like crap. What's the point in increasing picture quality if the majority of use cases is people posting on instagram at a low resolution and applying so many filters it looks WORSE than photos taken in 1970 with a polaroid
 
Orlandoech said:
Queue the "I dont want more MP, I want IQ". posts.

Queue "ugh, we need more storage capacity then" posts.

I personally would like an Image Sensor close to the level of a DSLR, 10+mp with improved IQ, HDR, Aperture, etc. Would also love the options to shoot in a Low, Med, High level of JPG quality and un/compressed files too.
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It's true. Unless you plan on making huge prints of your phone pictures, 8 MP is plenty.

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acearchie said:
They really don't. It only works on stills on the 6+ doesn't it? I take pictures of my friends. If the shutter is low enough to be blurry without IS then it's not going to benefit me with IS anyway!
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It works on video. You're right about shutter speed. IS does nothing to help with motion blur from a moving subject, only motion blur from the camera moving.
 
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