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Why a 12-inch MacBook Retina !??!!?

So they can unify their entire laptop family range, which would be a blessing for Apple as a manufacturing company.

I mean, come on, the chassis for the current 13" MBP retina and the current 13" MBA are not that different at all in terms of size or weight.

So... why not offering just one single -retina- family: 15", 13" and 12" (or even 11") to accommodate to every user's need (performance, balance and mobile respectively), and be done with it? it would simplify their production, logistics and marketing.

Apple already follows a similar approach with their iPads (7", 9" and now rumored an upcoming 12"), all sharing pretty much every component except the screen. And they're following the same path with their iPhone 6: same phone, same components, but different screen sizes: 4.7" and 5.5".

To me, it seems like a good idea from a corporate point of view.
 
New Macbook running late? That's OK by me. I can still get another few years out of my 2010 MBP, further reducing my annual cost average.

Here is my 3rd generation iPad math brought in March 2012.

64gb iPad + leather Smart Cover + an accessory = $808

Approximately 2.33 year old, which works out to be 95 cents a day.

I use iPad as primary device for home. I really do not have a goal, nor a set date to upgrade. As I get older and like a lot of people who do not see the value of constantly upgrading, I can see myself using this ipad until it turns three or older. I guess it really depends on the battery holding up.
 
Was looking forward to a 12", a little smaller but retina screen would be the perfect laptop for me

Love my Macbook Air 13", so I'll be be content in the mean time
 
Was looking forward to a 12", a little smaller but retina screen would be the perfect laptop for me

Love my Macbook Air 13", so I'll be be content in the mean time

Yea... i also have a MBA 13 (mid 2011).. and i can't really complain about it. Aside from wanting more than the 128GB storage, and USB 2.0 being a bit slow. I can hold out.
 
14nm chip for computers? yet phones have larger processors?

How much does it cost Apple to build an entire iPhone? A few hundred dollars?

How much does it cost Apple to buy a single MBP CPU? A few hundred dollars?

It is not surprising that the CPU in a notebook computer would use higher cost, more advanced lithographic technologies than that in a smartphone, as the cost of the notebook CPU is comparable to the cost of the entire phone.
 
This is very sad news, Ive been waiting on a laptop like this for years from Apple. It sucks we have to wait longer.......:confused:
 
Might as well wait for Skylake at this rate. Unless, of course, that also ends up getting delayed.

I really hope Intel is telling the truth that Skylake will not be delayed; of course, they never specified mobile or desktop and it leaks seem to show that Intel will launch locked desktop Skylake chips alongside unlocked desktop Broadwell chips. Nobody knows about the mobile chips.

I desperately need to update next year but now I feel I am in the same position as when I bought my Blackbook--possibly being forced to buy into the last of a generation of chips (Broadwell) before a major architectural shift (Skylake). Let's hope Skylake mobile is delivered next fall.
 
I still have my 12" Powerbook I bought in 2004 in New York with the 20" cinema display. The Powerbook still just fine.

I remember editing in Final Cut Pro for 2 years with it, it paid my rent. They I bought 3 more when I was doing audiovisuals for events. Eventually one got broken and I used it for parts, another one was taken by my ex girlfriend and I believe I sold the other one.

I as so happy back them =)

Out of curiosity why did you buy three? For extra power..? Extra screens??

(Serious question). Wouldn't a single 17" w/extra monitor (or a Dual G5!) have been better than 2 more PBs?
 
Why would they release Broadwell and Skylake in the same year? I mean I hope they don't delay Skylake but it seems like a dumb business decision to do so and I'm expecting a delay for it, regardless if it's a real or a fake delay.
 
How much does it cost Apple to build an entire iPhone? A few hundred dollars?

How much does it cost Apple to buy a single MBP CPU? A few hundred dollars?

It is not surprising that the CPU in a notebook computer would use higher cost, more advanced lithographic technologies than that in a smartphone, as the cost of the notebook CPU is comparable to the cost of the entire phone.

I'm not sure any of this is true. I'd be very surprised if the die size of any iterations of iPhone have been larger than Intel dies. Intel uses more than a billion transistors on even its simplest CPUs.

Also, MBP CPUs aren't much at the low end.. somewhere in the $200s. The 2.7 GHz 3820QM in my mid-2012 MBP was $568 new, and that was top of the line; the 2.6 GHz model I believe cost $200 less than that (and wasn't noticeably slower).

And remember, iPhones are a LOT of money off-contract ($800+). I'm not saying it costs Apple that much to make them, of course it doesn't.. but it's not the $200-400 sticker price you see in stores ;)
 
A Broadwell delay may encourage Apple to tape-out something like a multi-core 64-bit ARM A8TurboExtreme in a package with a bigger heat sink and wider memory bus for some model of MacBook Air. But what would they use for larger display Retina graphics? Something developed in-house for Metal?
 
"OS X has been living a secret double life"
"OS X can now run on ARM processors"

Apple aren't going to switch architectures again because of one delayed release. Process shrinkage is becoming increasingly difficult as we near fundamental limits of how small you can make a transistor.

Intel has the best fabrication facilities on the planet. If they can't do it, nobody can. Apple's current processor, the A7, is built with a 28nm process and the next generation (A8) is rumoured to be built using a 20nm process. Further rumours indicate that the generation after that (A9) may be built using a 14nm process. Even that is doubtful.

Nobody can produce 14nm chips at acceptable yields right now. Intel would be the first.

They need that process shrink because that's largely what's responsible for their claimed 30% better power efficiency. Basically, there is no Broadwell unless it's built using 14nm transistors.

Apple will switch to their own chips when and only when it gives them a competitive advantage. That benefit doesn't exist right now.

Once you scale ARM to Intel-like performance levels, you end up with power characteristics that aren't too far from Intel (trust me, this comes from a former ARM engineer). ARM has a simpler instruction set, so they benefit from less decoding logic, but there isn't really a whopping difference.
 
I'm not sure any of this is true. I'd be very surprised if the die size of any iterations of iPhone have been larger than Intel dies. Intel uses more than a billion transistors on even its simplest CPUs.

No doubt. To be more clear, I was comparing the lithography process, ie. it seems likely that the A8 will be on a 20nm process, however the new Intel Broadwell chips would be using a 14nm process. Although this is somewhat unfair, as Broadwell has been delayed until next year, whereas the A8 should be available very soon (if not already), this is the comparison the poster I was responding to was making.

Also, MBP CPUs aren't much at the low end.. somewhere in the $200s. The 2.7 GHz 3820QM in my mid-2012 MBP was $568 new, and that was top of the line; the 2.6 GHz model I believe cost $200 less than that (and wasn't noticeably slower).

This is indeed true, however I doubt that Apple gets all that much of a discount on that price. Whereas I'm sure there is a very large discrepancy in the iPhone/iPad cost for Apple and us.

And remember, iPhones are a LOT of money off-contract ($800+). I'm not saying it costs Apple that much to make them, of course it doesn't.. but it's not the $200-400 sticker price you see in stores ;)

iPhones are a lot of money off-contract because that is what people are willing to pay for an off-contract phone. Every now and then someone tears apart a new iPhone and evaluates the cost of all the bits, it comes to somewhat less than $200. e.g. googling "iPhone parts cost breakdown".

The point I am making is that although the iPhone uses high quality, high cost mobile phone parts, they aren't really in the same league cost-wise as the high-quality, high cost notebook computer parts Apple uses in its MBP line. Therefore it should not be a surprise if the technology processes used in the manufacture of the iPhone is not as advanced as in the manufacture of an MBP.

Then, of course, there's the fact that Intel invests huge amounts of money making sure that their chip foundries are the best. So again, it's not surprising that a non-Intel chip would use a larger lithography process than Intel chips.
 
I'd love a 15" Air. I have the 15" rMBP now and it gets a little warm. Plus the Air is easier to pass to the wife when I want to show her something funny on the interwebs.
 
Intel has the best fabrication facilities on the planet. If they can't do it, nobody can.
I wouldn't go that far. Samsung and IBM are both quite talented. IBM designs and fabricates much higher clock speed processors than Intel, for example -- as high as 5.5 GHz currently.

Steve Jobs was annoyed that IBM and Motorola/Freescale couldn't always satisfy his processor desires. We thought he was correct in adopting a sole source Intel strategy (announced in 2005 and executed in 2006), but in retrospect maybe he erred. Maybe he should have retained Mac OS X's dual architecture support past 10.5 to allow processor supplier flexibility, with (as examples) a MacPro equipped with powerful IBM Power8 processors and a more powerful Freescale-based Apple TV with real game console capabilities. Nobody delivers perfectly in this business, and it wasn't all that long ago that companies consuming semiconductors insisted on at least two independent suppliers.

Hopefully Apple is still compiling OS X on Power CPUs internally to keep their options open. Apple cannot afford to be so thoroughly dependent on Intel.
 
I would like to see Apple drop the "Air" moniker from it's laptop line, and just have the "MacBook" and "MacBook Pro."

The MacBook would be thinner, lighter, have better battery life, a lower price, and be recommended for general usage (most people). The MacBook Pro would have a more powerful CPU, more powerful GPU, options for more RAM, and be recommended for professionals and power users. I seem to remember it being this way back in the iBook/Powerbook days.

I would also really like to see a 15 inch MacBook (Air) at some point. The only reason I would buy another Pro over the Air is the larger screen. I would much rather have the longer battery life than the higher specs.
 
We might as well all get used to it... Intel is running out of nanometers (nm). The wall is now in sight. Future generations are going to become more and more impossible to manufacture... Delays are inevitable. The End Is Near. Moore's Law has evolved into Moore's Wish.
 
Can someone help me and explain why there are so many people begging for a 12" Air? I don't understand the need. If 11" is too small then 13" is really too big for this many people? And the other way around too?
Thanks!
 
I easily see the Air and Mini switching to ARM.
And the 21.5 inch iMacs as well.

It will work to Apple's advantage. There is already a multi-CPU target development tool chain in place along with applications and libraries which support different CPUs using a scheme which is transparent to the end user. Apple will send less money to Intel, Apple will have more control over its hardware, and any lessened performance will go unnoticed by most users. Apple also stands to gain by selling or renting different versions of the same application for different CPUs at whatever prices the market might bear.

If Apple can make any substantial performance improvements with its ARM SoC series, the Apple can keep these for itself and not have to share the same model CPU with competitors. And as in the past, Apple will use the switch to a different CPU series as a means of encouraging hardware replacements, a big revenue source. Those with a substantial investment in the Apple ecosystem who are unhappy with an ARM CPU in the lesser machines will be motivated to buy a Mac Pro, so Apple wins again.
 
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