Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
So it seems the iPhone 7 and 7s are just going to be expensive fillers with a faster chip and the same old tech until the iPhone 8 huh? Apple must be in denial thinking they can wait that long while iPhone users leave in...groves. see what I did there? :)

 
I have not seen any other reports of Micro LED for other manufacturers. It makes me wonder if Apple is a step ahead or if other manufacturers are experimenting with this quitely.
 
I think Apple is doing the right thing. After seen so many Burn in, Image retention issues with allot of OLED displays this is a huge headache that Apple should avoid at all cost. I have seen this to all of my friends who use Samsung.
225691d1461675153t-how-bad-amoled-screen-burn-problem-13029548_1199958916680986_654565150368753890_o.jpg

You claim it's your friend's but it looks like a store display model that's plugged in (charging) on WIFI without activation. Store display models run 24 hours at 100% brightness so it's not typical usage.

I've had 2010 Galaxy S that had no burn-in before I gave it away last year and currently use a 2012 Galaxy Note II as a backup with no burn-in under normal use. Altogether I've owned six AMOLED devices with zero burn-in under normal use.

On the other hand, my iPhone 4S had the common yellow spot on display from normal use. Reality is screen defects on iPhones out-of-the-box or under normal use are more common. Just look at the threads on MR where people have had to swap their iPhone out half a dozen times or so to get a passable display.
 
Great, this may at least be viable as an upgrade for the LCDs in the MacBook family, since OLED just isn't a viable technology to be used for 8 hours+ a day for 5 years with a static menu bar burning its way in.
 
Statements like this drive me nuts. Is this compared to LCD, OLED, or both?

Both, but eventually you reach a point of diminishing return were it becomes pointless.
One of the major advantage of micro-LED is that you could have a massive difference in brightness from one spot to the next, which is not possible with well any other tech right now.

What you see with your eyes has a huge range in intensity.

For example, if you have the sun peeking through trees on a sunny day, and you're under those trees looking out over a panorama that's bathed in bright sun with clouds shadowing parts of it, you won't be able to reproduce this thing with current tech, not even close.
 
The problem is Apple needs to be launching an iPhone with this in now, not in a year or 2. This market moves too quick and you get left behind very quickly.
Whether it's ready or not. Whether it works or not. Whether it's profitable or not. Whether it's safe or not. Apple needs to do it now. They can worry about the class action lawsuits down the line sometime.
[doublepost=1472496436][/doublepost]
Even if Apple used OLED for the iPhone 7, they are still years behind. Why is this supposed to be an exciting new feature? I really hope Apple brings something more than what the rumors are saying because right now, the iPhone 7 blows!!
Stop reading rumors. Whatever Apple introduces will not live up to some of them, and even when it does, to you it will be months old news. You're just setting yourself up for disappointment. You're already feeling let down, and Apple's keynote is more than a week away. Even if they have a surprise in store on 9/7, you'll have spent the next week or so feeling disappointed.
 
Strictly, OLEDs are a class of LED, and OLED displays are a class of micro-LED displays. The main characteristic of micro-LED displays is that in them, each image element emits its own light instead of using a single, powerful backlight. They are additive displays (like CRTs) instead of subtractive displays (like LCDs).
 
From what I gather reading tech sites, many display experts think that Micro LED is a costly dead end. It's kind of like the Liquid Metal of displays. Sounds cool, but very difficult to get into mass production at a low enough cost.

Doesn't mean they're right, but it indicates that... barring a breakthrough... it could take some time before it's a feasible alternative to OLEDs in smartphone sized displays.
It happens a lot that we hear about advances in technology that take years or even decades to become products. Some never do. I was reading about HDTV in the late 1980s, but it was after 2000 that I first laid eyes on an HDTV set. When I bought my fourth hybrid car in 2010, I said that my next car would run on hydrogen. I bought another hybrid last year, and I have a reservation for a Tesla. The promise of OLED was that we could have millimeter thin TVs of any size, and that they would be cheaper than LCD because they could basically be ink-jet "printed" onto most any surface. Maybe that's still in the cards, but I've been waiting ten years.
 
Whether it's ready or not. Whether it works or not. Whether it's profitable or not. Whether it's safe or not. Apple needs to do it now. They can worry about the class action lawsuits down the line sometime.
[doublepost=1472496436][/doublepost]
Stop reading rumors. Whatever Apple introduces will not live up to some of them, and even when it does, to you it will be months old news. You're just setting yourself up for disappointment. You're already feeling let down, and Apple's keynote is more than a week away. Even if they have a surprise in store on 9/7, you'll have spent the next week or so feeling disappointed.
Yea, dont tell me what to do please. Call it what you want but, I cant be let down if I didn't have high hopes to begin with. Im a realist and I'm prepared for this new crappy outdated iPhone.
 
Water resistance is a bigger priority than 3D Touch. We don't need another dimension of interactivity. Long tap is all we need.

iPhones have been water resistant for a long time. :) My wifes iPhone 4 was dipped down under water for a few seconds and there was no problem. Sold it to a friend as he needed a cheap used iPhone a few years ago and I still see that phone working today.
 
Will these be susceptible to burn-in like OLED? I am consciously trying to avoid buying another OLED screened phone as the last two (S3 and Note 4) I had suffered from burn-in rather badly. Everyone keeps ranting and raving about OLED but the grass isn't entirely greener. Sounds like the iPhone 7 Plus will be the phone for me.

I know you had a bad experience, especially with the S3/Note 4. But the AMOLED's in the S6/S7 era displays are not the same as the previous ones. They fixed a LOT of the really really bad issues with those really old devices (S3 was launched in 2012). Is it really fair to claim that something is true today because it was true 4 years ago? If I hated iOS6, would it be fair for me to say I hate iOS now?

iPhones have been water resistant for a long time. :) My wifes iPhone 4 was dipped down under water for a few seconds and there was no problem. Sold it to a friend as he needed a cheap used iPhone a few years ago and I still see that phone working today.

They are not officially supported as water-resistent or proof since Apple didn't certify them. While they have been shown to offer some resistence to water, should something fail because of water damage, Apple can tell you to bugger off since water proofing is not formally supported function. Those who are looking for waterproofing are looking for formal certification, which shows that if something happens to their devices while operating under that certification, Apple would still be required to honour the warranty
 
  • Like
Reactions: mi7chy
The problem is Apple needs to be launching an iPhone with this in now, not in a year or 2. This market moves too quick and you get left behind very quickly.

This sounds a lot like "Apple needs to make a PowerBook G5, now!" back in the days. :rolleyes:

Apple can do a lot of great things, but they can't do magic. If a new technology is not ready, it just isn't. And it sounds like Micro-LED is there yet. Apple could go with OLED right now (even if there's drawbacks) but the can't use Micro-LED now, no-one can.
 
I think Apple is doing the right thing. After seen so many Burn in, Image retention issues with allot of OLED displays this is a huge headache that Apple should avoid at all cost. I have seen this to all of my friends who use Samsung.
225691d1461675153t-how-bad-amoled-screen-burn-problem-13029548_1199958916680986_654565150368753890_o.jpg
I fear my 1 year old Moto X Play [actually, 1 year come this Oct. 1] has it on the top banner. It's OLED. I don't yet have an OLED UHD TV but this makes me cautious.
 
OLED R&D started in the late 80s so it's taken 25 years to get to mass production of smartphone displays. mLED R&D has only be going a few years. In the next 5 years, OLED production will switch to solution-processing (i.e. inket printing of displays) and the cost of production will rapidly fall. While mLEDs should be better than OLED in theory (higher brightness, longer lifetime) whether that happens in practice remains to be seen.
 
OLED R&D started in the late 80s so it's taken 25 years to get to mass production of smartphone displays. mLED R&D has only be going a few years. In the next 5 years, OLED production will switch to solution-processing (i.e. inket printing of displays) and the cost of production will rapidly fall. While mLEDs should be better than OLED in theory (higher brightness, longer lifetime) whether that happens in practice remains to be seen.

Micro-led will show up, but not in the Iphone, but in the watch. But, not in the next 2.5 years (So, 2019-2020 probably earliest).
 
  • Like
Reactions: kdarling
It happens a lot that we hear about advances in technology that take years or even decades to become products. Some never do. I was reading about HDTV in the late 1980s, but it was after 2000 that I first laid eyes on an HDTV set. When I bought my fourth hybrid car in 2010, I said that my next car would run on hydrogen. I bought another hybrid last year, and I have a reservation for a Tesla. The promise of OLED was that we could have millimeter thin TVs of any size, and that they would be cheaper than LCD because they could basically be ink-jet "printed" onto most any surface. Maybe that's still in the cards, but I've been waiting ten years.

Same could be said for the Apple Car project. For all we know, it's smoke and mirrors. Even if the rumors continue to surface for the next few years, it's means nothing. The Apple Car is set to be released in 2021 under Bob Mansfield, from 2016 until 2017.

Do you have any idea the
Changes in technology in which may or may not affect/and or contribute to the Project? By 2021, if the Car even releases by then, it could be reported the Apple Car could be a Hover Craft for all we know.

Technology is never consistent and will always lag or leap. Take your pick.
 
Meanwhile Galaxy owners enjoy their superior tech here and now. Water resistance is a bigger priority than 3D Touch. We don't need another dimension of interactivity. Long tap is all we need.

Yes, we do need another dimension of interactivity. The apps that incorporates 3D Touch has much better usability and app shortcuts are incredibly useful, at least for my everyday use. Every now and then I even find myself trying to hard press my iPad. In addition, the 6s already has improved water resistance (although Apple isn't advertising that fact). It has an extra rubber seal around the edges to keep water out.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BlueParadox
MLED? Never heard of it. If we see it soon, it would be a half-baked tech.

The first OLED device was manufactured in 1987. It took Samsung a couple of decades to perfect the AMOLED technology.
 
Last edited:
better battery life PLEASE android MUCH better battery, sorry but true.

Android is not a phone. I am totally satisfied with battery life, so I wonder if they can slim the iPhone any further.
Yes, I need a as thin as possible device on my job.
 
I doubt if apple is developing micro-led for iPhone, it is highly possible that they are developing it for next generation of laptops or thunderbolt displays because micro-led's are still power hungry.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.