Long tap is nothing like 3D Touch. The following in iOS 10 is not possible with a long tap:
It's one of my favourite 3D Touch additions to iOS.
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Long tap is nothing like 3D Touch. The following in iOS 10 is not possible with a long tap:
It's one of my favourite 3D Touch additions to iOS.
This is what I love about 3D touch, it's subtle changes to the OS that makes things faster. I hit maps with a hard press and I get my directions home, I hit the camera button and have instant access different camera modes, peek & pop in Safari has fundamentally changed how I browse the web, etc.
May I ask, if water resistance is so necessary, why have I never in... almost a decade of iOS device ownership, had anything, ever, damaged by water? Not even remotely possibly damaged by water.
How is it that my wife hasn't either?
Or my teenager (granted, he's only had a device for 5 years)?
Or my 5 year old?
Who are these people that think it's a good idea to swim with a device?
Except that long tap has the limitations you've been shown.
So where does that put your claim?
Banks prefer using Apple Pay, it saves them money not having to insure the payments themselves. That's why Samsung Pay and Android Pay exist, because it was obviously the better route to be a payment processor.
So what are the dozens of other uses that we're missing out on?
It's not FUD if it's true. And it's not the first time Samsung has been in a situation like this.
This is false.
Apple is not a payment processor and does not assume any liability in the transaction.
They are not involved in any part of the transaction.
Luck? Or maybe better hands
My daughter lost her 5C to shower humidity over time, and I've known several people who dropped theirs in the usual toilet scenario and never got it working again.
Hey, never diss someone's claims. It's like asking the Karmic universe to strike your phone down
Where did you get the idea that Apple insures Apple Pay payments?
The NFC payment code is written and maintained by the credit card networks, and the authorization is done by the banks. The only part Apple plays is providing the device. Even a fingerprint is just a shortcut for entering whatever PIN the last person with access set up. (It's no guarantee that the actual cardholder is present.)
Neither Android nor Samsung Pay act as processors. Merchants still use their usual setup.
I'll answer as well. Years before Apple Pay came out, I used to post here about what my family used NFC for on Android. Now that you have Apple Pay, you can at least understand the convenience of tap and pay. But you don't have the other convenient NFC powers.
Normally, NFC can be used in three basic modes:
1) Card emulation. You know it as used for contactless card payments. But this mode can also replace metro transit cards, door keys, etc. Very handy. Basically it makes your phone an electronic wallet / purse / keychain.
2) Card reader. Used with dumb tags to set up complex actions. My stepson has tags in his home, car and office. Each one triggers a different phone profile. E.g. gets in his car to drive to work, taps a tag on the side of his console, and it turns off WiFi and sets up navigation to his office so he can see traffic, and turns on music. When he gets to the office, he taps a tag on his desk and his phone turns on WiFi for his office network.
Another common use of this moe is built into NFC speakers, which set up Bluetooth connections at a tap.
3) Anonymous, instant data transfer with no setup. The basic version is even OS agnostic. You simply hold two devices close together while viewing the item you wish to transfer. E.g. I often wanted to show my son a website or video on YouTube, so I'd hold the back of my phone to the back of his phone, and his phone would open the same app and display the same site. Very handy to share restaurant map / navigation as well as contacts, etc.
Sometimes, trying to describe in detail how nice all those extra uses are, is like trying to describe Apple Pay's benefits to someone who's a fan of paying cash
I've owned OLED phones (Samsung GS1 and GS4) and saw burn in after almost a year, but it does depend on how much and how bright you use your phone. Most people won't notice it but it is inherent to the technology. LCD image retention which is reversible is NOT the same as OLED burn in. The blue phosphor is the biggest issue in OLED with the least life by a huge magnitude compared to red and green and so the panel gives a color shift as it burns out or fades out, hence the "burn in" areas are where the blue phosphor can't glow bright enough compared to other less used areas of the screen.
Usually the first places you would notice it are the navigation bar and status bar where static white or blue images are, i.e. Battery, On screen buttons, signal icons and even clock even though time does change. Maybe if Apple went green for those in the OLED iPhone you might not notice screen burn as quickly as the green phosphor would probably outlast the devices usable life.
Usually the first places you would notice it are the navigation bar and status bar where static white or blue images are, i.e. Battery, On screen buttons, signal icons and even clock even though time does change
. Maybe if Apple went green for those in the OLED iPhone you might not notice screen burn as quickly as the green phosphor would probably outlast the devices usable life.
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I've owned OLED phones (Samsung GS1 and GS4) and saw burn in after almost a year, but it does depend on how much and how bright you use your phone. Most people won't notice it but it is inherent to the technology. LCD image retention which is reversible is NOT the same as OLED burn in. The blue phosphor is the biggest issue in OLED with the least life by a huge magnitude compared to red and green and so the panel gives a color shift as it burns out or fades out, hence the "burn in" areas are where the blue phosphor can't glow bright enough compared to other less used areas of the screen.
Usually the first places you would notice it are the navigation bar and status bar where static white or blue images are, i.e. Battery, On screen buttons, signal icons and even clock even though time does change
yes, But using your experience with the GS1 and GS4 isn't great. The GS4 for example was released in 2013 and featured technology from 2012 and 2013. That is now 4-5 years old technology. While burn in can still occur under certain circumstances, By the GS6, the chances of it happening like the older LED based displays has been greatly reduced.
it is not fair for Apple, or ANYONE to be using 5 year old technology in a comparison of today's technology.
also
Holy necro bump dude
Unfortunately despite improvements in OLED technology the blue phosphor is still the Achilles heel even in the years since the S4. There is still research being done to significantly increase the lifespan of the blue phosphor but in terms of implementation at the present there have only been minor improvements in that regard. But as I said earlier it also depends on the usage and brightness. Phone addicts will probably see the effects sooner than casual or "normal" users . And yeah Best Buy display models aren't a good comparison, full brightness 24 hrs a day.
Lol yeah I just realized I "necro bumped".
. And yeah Best Buy display models aren't a good comparison, full brightness 24 hrs a day.Lol yeah I just realized I "necro bumped".
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Unfortunately despite improvements in OLED technology the blue phosphor is still the Achilles heel even in the years since the S4. There is still research being done to significantly increase the lifespan of the blue phosphor but in terms of implementation at the present there have only been minor improvements in that regard. But as I said earlier it also depends on the usage and brightness. Phone addicts will probably see the effects sooner than casual or "normal" users
Lol yeah I just realized I "necro bumped".
Yeah, I'm not saying it's perfect. It can happen. But I think in current state, noticable burn in under "normal" conditions, being screen generally on auto, and not on for excessive periods of time, burn in shouldn't occur on these devices for 5-7 years.
As a consumer who replaces my phone every 1.5-2.5 years, it's just one of those things that doesn't factor hugely in my decision. The image quality and contrast are way more important factors for me.
I've owned OLED phones (Samsung GS1 and GS4) and saw burn in after almost a year, but it does depend on how much and how bright you use your phone. Most people won't notice it but it is inherent to the technology. LCD image retention which is reversible is NOT the same as OLED burn in. The blue phosphor is the biggest issue in OLED with the least life by a huge magnitude compared to red and green and so the panel gives a color shift as it burns out or fades out, hence the "burn in" areas are where the blue phosphor can't glow bright enough compared to other less used areas of the screen.
Usually the first places you would notice it are the navigation bar and status bar where static white or blue images are, i.e. Battery, On screen buttons, signal icons and even clock even though time does change
Here's burn-in on iPhone 7 LCD. As a whole, the pros of SAMOLED far outweigh the cons of LCD. One of my major pet peeves is watching media content in a dark environment where LCD has a distracting whitish glow while SAMOLED is true black and one of the qualities that separate premium from budget TVs.
That is not burn in.... burn in is due to blue phosphors losing lucency causing a color shift. One of the big reasons Samsung started using 2K panels instead of 1080P was because they use pentile matrix which would look grainy on 1080P. (They did use RGB on the GS2 but potential for burn in would be higher with the normal sized blue phosphor.) They use much larger blue phosphor areas in RGBG pattern in an attempt to compensate for the extremely low life of the blue phosphor when compared to red and green.
I had what you have, on my LG G2 it was due to a damaged LCD ribbon cable. You probably have a similar issue. It's not burn in. I'd get that fixed if I were you. The closest thing on LCDs to burn is image persistence which is reversible and far less common.
I had what you have, on my LG G2 it was due to a damaged LCD ribbon cable. You probably have a similar issue. It's not burn in. I'd get that fixed if I were you. The closest thing on LCDs to burn is image persistence which is reversible and far less common.
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Me and my family members have had burn in to some extent or some sort of defect on every AMOLED display we've had, and we use our phones like any other consumer. People like to say that any display can get burn in, but why is it that I can confidently walk into an apple store and know that non of their devices will have burn in (except the Apple watches) even though they're also left on all day at high brightness? You can't say the same for the products at Best buy with OLED displays, because they look completely disgusting. I've never heard of people complaining about iPhones, MacBooks, and iMacs having burn in, but I always here about Samsung phones having burn in. If the iPhone uses an OLED display and the demo models have burn in, what excuse is the sales consultant gonna use, especially since older iPhones didn't have that problem? And these are 2017 OLED displays that I'm talking about. So in a way it'll feel like a downgrade. The iPhone 8 is rumored to have an always on dock/function area at the bottom of the screen, and that will pretty much guarantee burn in if it uses AMOLED. I'm not sure if iPhones and iPads still have this feature, but I know they have/had the option to leave the screen on all the time, while phones with AMOLED displays have a limit.
I would prefer an HDR 120Hz display like on the 2017 iPad pro. At least Apple can take pride in saying they have the best LED LCD display on a smartphone.
Apple is a company that doesn't like to settle, and they want their products to be able to be used day in and day out without the consumer having to worry that their display will have any burn in or other problems. They also support their mobile devices with updates for up to 5 years, and there is no way in hell that an AMOLED display can last that long, at least without some sort of defect. And there are a lot of people who keep their phones for multiple years.
I don't know why people keep supporting such a flawed display technology. I feel like OLED should be a demonstrational display tech to show off what displays can do, but not to actually put it in a mainstream device. I'm just gonna keep my fingers crossed for microLED since it's supposed to be better than any display tech so far in every way. And if Apple (and even Oculus I think) has put so much effort into microLED, it's because it must really be an amazing display tech. Some people have even said that microLED is going to be game changing.
Though I've never used android phones, my 6 plus has about 25% after 16 hour day. Sometimes it has as much as 35%.
That's pretty good battery life in my opinion.
New generation amoled panels no longer have this issue at least for most of us....enjoy not moving on to the current and the future display technology. Even IPS panels are prone to burn in.
I really wonder is Apple still working on Micro LED displays? If true, then the 2018 model iPhones--if the technology has finally matured--could all be using such a panel--a panel that could even accommodate an embedded Touch ID sensor. And the displays will be manufactured at Sharp's factories in Japan.
Apple will still be working on this - it offers a way to bypass Samsung, LG, Japan Display and the rest when it comes to obtaining screens (as they have done with the CPU). Of course, realistically it will be several years before this technology is optimised and then a few more until the engineering scale-ups are ready for mass production so don't hold your breathe.
While I kind of agree on this, my guess right now is that Apple is working with Foxconn-owned Sharp Electronics using Sharp's IGZO display technology to perfect the Micro-LED display design. And we might see a prototype screen under the Sharp brand fairly soon.
Even if Apple engineers were working on Micro LED displays, it won't be on the 2018 models considering Apple signed a two year contract with Samsung Display.
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Even if Apple were to perfect the technology, they still would need either Samsung or LG because no other company has the capacity to meet Apple's demand.
Funny how actual people online say different and that's especially the case in TVs.
Samsung's not even getting proper color management in their screens so who is behind here.
Also, Samsung used its own clients as guinee pigs for years producing terrible screens and even then, people like you were saying the same things about those supersaturated uneven POS.
Micro LED is years away from being usable as a phone display, much less ever taking over from OLED. Like Liquid Metal, its name makes it sound cooler than it is.
Micro LED is simply a name for sub 100 micron inorganic LED dots. That's not that small, btw. And it's difficult to mass produce. The latest breakthrough in theoretical mass production capability stands at making 150 micron dots... or about 160 PPI monochrome (and even the Apple Watch has 326 PPI color).
That's why analysts talk about maybe seeing microLED used in simple wrist wearable displays next year. But certainly not in a smartphone! In fact, the best use for Micro LED so far has been in ~15 PPI wall sized displays, where its brightness is really useful.
OTOH, micro OLEDs (organic) have been available as e.g. head mounted surgical displays for a half decade in less than 5 microns dot pitch.
Some smartphones use over 500 PPI color OLED displays, and VR headsets are coming with over 1,000 PPI.
In short, inorganic micro LED production has a long way to go before it can be usable in mass produced smartphones. OLED will be higher resolution and less expensive for years to come.
Micro LED is simply a name for sub 100 micron inorganic LED dots. That's not that small, btw. And it's difficult to mass produce. The latest breakthrough in theoretical mass production capability stands at making 150 micron dots... or about 160 PPI monochrome (and even the Apple Watch has 326 PPI color).
That's why analysts talk about maybe seeing microLED used in simple wrist wearable displays next year. But certainly not in a smartphone! In fact, the best use for Micro LED so far has been in ~15 PPI wall sized displays, where its brightness is really useful.
OTOH, micro OLEDs (organic) have been available as e.g. head mounted surgical displays for a half decade in less than 5 microns dot pitch.
Some smartphones use over 500 PPI color OLED displays, and VR headsets are coming with over 1,000 PPI.
In short, inorganic micro LED production has a long way to go before it can be usable in mass produced smartphones. OLED will be higher resolution and less expensive for years to come.
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Who do you think Apple is going to turn to when it comes to making the millions of displays it needs a year? My guess is Samsung.
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Samsung has a mode for proper color management, it just knows most people like oversaturated.