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Apple More Aggressively Pushing iOS 14 Users to Upgrade to iOS 15

Who put out the edict that requires yearly software upgrades? I am starting to fondly remember the days when a new video card did not require a complete system software upgrade. A few lines of code to existing software, good to go. Now a new video card requires hundreds of megabits of software that impacts the entire eco system. Plus a good deal of the users time trying to figure out what happen when they touched something and how to put it back. The split screen one example. Especially if one has little interest in a split screen. Or where did the system configuration settings move too. A new software law… The more software change the more problems. Will call it Moore’s Law of software.
 
JustSomebody12 said:
In hindsight it was logical:

One of the Apple ecosystem’s greatest advantages is little-to-no software fragmentation (iPadOS, iOS, and watchOS are the same, and they enable macOS to run iOS-targeting software).

Enabling users to stay on older iOS versions would reduce this advantage and force them to spread their software team(s) thin.

Also there are no iPhones since 2017 which can’t be upgraded to iOS 15, so it would really be unwise.
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I totally buy that. With consumer products features change - along with previous implementation of features.

The issue for me is the lack of quality and Apple seemingly launching features to a marketing driven calendar and not when they’re properly ready.
 
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mcfrazieriv said:
What are you guys talking about? MacOS has always provided the option to not upgrade and last I checked, Apple made MacOS. You always had to find and download the new OS version on your own. Providing users in iOS this same function is great. The downside is that Apple can't boast about iOS 15+ adoption levels in press releases.
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anyone saying “Steve Jobs would never have stood for it!” should be automatically banned from this forum, and double banned if the thing they’re referring to is something Jobs actually did.
 
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My iPhone is on the latest version of 15, but my iPad Air 4 is on the last version of 14 because of the way they messed up the screen layout. I've been happy with 15 on the phone as I think the new Focus feature is one of the best ideas they've implemented in a long time.
 
Still happily on iOS 14 on all my devices.

I can see why Apple will remove the choice to update apps and iOS versions in future devices. They will force them all to update maybe even over cellular data.

Where I live there is no internet WiFi so even if I wanted to update I can’t without having to set up a wonky shared hotspot to WiFi connection.
 
heard no reason why I should yield for apple's hampering throttling strategy.. no need for a new iphone anytime soon.
 
Xtir said:
heard no reason why I should yield for apple's hampering throttling strategy.. no need for a new iphone anytime soon.
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Actually every OS increase performances on older devices on many things. Users most of time blame OS update when they have no clue, can’t use iCloud, full their devices, have increasily big DBs within apps like whatsapp. Never had issue on older devices running latest OS, but keep in mind apps get heavier, website too, contents we receive… don’t don’t be fooled and be objective.
 
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ikir said:
Actually every OS increase performances on older devices on many things. Users most of time blame OS update when they have no clue, can’t use iCloud, full their devices, have increasily big DBs within apps like whatsapp. Never had issue on older devices running latest OS, but keep in mind apps get heavier, website too, contents we receive… don’t don’t be fooled and be objective.
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Like I said: throttling, don't be fooled by the shining features, the object is to make you buy new hardware earlier..
 
bluecoast said:
I totally buy that. With consumer products features change - along with previous implementation of features.

The issue for me is the lack of quality and Apple seemingly launching features to a marketing driven calendar and not when they’re properly ready.
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The software seems to be lagging behind.

I would take inspiration from Google, software-wise.
 
JosephAW said:
Still happily on iOS 14 on all my devices.

I can see why Apple will remove the choice to update apps and iOS versions in future devices. They will force them all to update maybe even over cellular data.

Where I live there is no internet WiFi so even if I wanted to update I can’t without having to set up a wonky shared hotspot to WiFi connection.
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And the ones that have a small data plan ? Be Impossible to enforce that. A friend has a 5GB data and has never went over. His wifi is turned off.
 
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I’m sure if I upgrade my iPhone 11 Pro Max it will keep running out of memory with iOS 15 and have to reload apps every 5 seconds. you know… designed obsolescence. :rolleyes:
 
Xtir said:
Just curious, what's wrong with carplay and ios 15?
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It's unstable to the point where it's basically useless; worse so for iPhone 13 users (including Pro/Pro Max).
Just recently with the 15.2 update am I able to use Carplay with ONE of the USB inputs in my Jeep Gladiator (one on the dash/USB1) and not have it crash. The second I switch to any other USB input in my Jeep, it goes back to crashing (I discovered the dash input works by accident honestly). I know it's not a problem with USB ports b/c my GF is on iOS 14 and CarPlay on her iPhone works just fine with any of the USB inputs in my Jeep. Same for my other friends on iOS 14. If I switch from the input on the dash to the one in the Center Console (USB2), which the input I used primarily (less cables laying around, cleaner and neater appearance), it crashes every 3 mins, does not matter the app. It even crashes this frequently if I'm not using an apps at all. Same for the rear USB inputs.

Whatever version of iOS they shipped iPhone 13 Pro Max's with (not iOS 15, as I had to upgrade to that after about a week of owning), was perfectly reliable. After I upgraded, it started crashing repeatedly in every car I drove that had CarPlay (all with factory CarPlay systems that were verified by Apple to be officially supported). TBH, the features they rolled out on iOS 15 were not worth sacrificing CarPlay reliability. I have done all the online "troubleshooting" and all the troubleshooting with Apple Support. Nothing. I've even done a full wipe/restore of my iPhone 13 Pro Max AND had the phone replaced, same thing. It's for sure a software issue and Apple has admitted they have no idea what the problem is.

Frustrating as hell because I use CarPlay almost daily in one or both of our vehicles. Particularly terrible if you are relying on it for navigation in an unfamiliar city or town and you miss turns/exits because CarPlay froze up and you have to disconnect and reconnect your iPhone to get it working again.

If I could downgrade to iOS 14, I would.
 
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It's unstable to the point where it's basically useless; worse so for iPhone 13 users (including Pro/Pro Max).
Just recently with the 15.2 update am I able to use Carplay with ONE of the USB inputs in my Jeep Gladiator (one on the dash/USB1) and not have it crash. The second I switch to any other USB input in my Jeep, it goes back to crashing (I discovered the dash input works by accident honestly). I know it's not a problem with USB ports b/c my GF is on iOS 14 and CarPlay on her iPhone works just fine with any of the USB inputs in my Jeep. Same for my other friends on iOS 14. If I switch from the input on the dash to the one in the Center Console (USB2), which the input I used primarily (less cables laying around, cleaner and neater appearance), it crashes every 3 mins, does not matter the app. It even crashes this frequently if I'm not using an apps at all. Same for the rear USB inputs.

Whatever version of iOS they shipped iPhone 13 Pro Max's with (not iOS 15, as I had to upgrade to that after about a week of owning), was perfectly reliable. After I upgraded, it started crashing repeatedly in every car I drove that had CarPlay (all with factory CarPlay systems that were verified by Apple to be officially supported). TBH, the features they rolled out on iOS 15 were not worth sacrificing CarPlay reliability. I have done all the online "troubleshooting" and all the troubleshooting with Apple Support. Nothing. I've even done a full wipe/restore of my iPhone 13 Pro Max AND had the phone replaced, same thing. It's for sure a software issue and Apple has admitted they have no idea what the problem is.

Frustrating as hell because I use CarPlay almost daily in one or both of our vehicles. Particularly terrible if you are relying on it for navigation in an unfamiliar city or town and you miss turns/exits because CarPlay froze up and you have to disconnect and reconnect your iPhone to get it working again.

If I could downgrade to iOS 14, I would.
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Wow, elaborate.. many thanks I’ll stick to 14 ..
 
I'm staying on 14.x If the day comes when they force it. Then time to depart. I need nav to do my job. Reboots from CarPlay can't and will not happen.
 
chetzar said:
It's unstable to the point where it's basically useless; worse so for iPhone 13 users (including Pro/Pro Max).
Just recently with the 15.2 update am I able to use Carplay with ONE of the USB inputs in my Jeep Gladiator (one on the dash/USB1) and not have it crash. The second I switch to any other USB input in my Jeep, it goes back to crashing (I discovered the dash input works by accident honestly). I know it's not a problem with USB ports b/c my GF is on iOS 14 and CarPlay on her iPhone works just fine with any of the USB inputs in my Jeep. Same for my other friends on iOS 14. If I switch from the input on the dash to the one in the Center Console (USB2), which the input I used primarily (less cables laying around, cleaner and neater appearance), it crashes every 3 mins, does not matter the app. It even crashes this frequently if I'm not using an apps at all. Same for the rear USB inputs.

Whatever version of iOS they shipped iPhone 13 Pro Max's with (not iOS 15, as I had to upgrade to that after about a week of owning), was perfectly reliable. After I upgraded, it started crashing repeatedly in every car I drove that had CarPlay (all with factory CarPlay systems that were verified by Apple to be officially supported). TBH, the features they rolled out on iOS 15 were not worth sacrificing CarPlay reliability. I have done all the online "troubleshooting" and all the troubleshooting with Apple Support. Nothing. I've even done a full wipe/restore of my iPhone 13 Pro Max AND had the phone replaced, same thing. It's for sure a software issue and Apple has admitted they have no idea what the problem is.

Frustrating as hell because I use CarPlay almost daily in one or both of our vehicles. Particularly terrible if you are relying on it for navigation in an unfamiliar city or town and you miss turns/exits because CarPlay froze up and you have to disconnect and reconnect your iPhone to get it working again.

If I could downgrade to iOS 14, I would.
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Terrible. I don't have an iphone 13, but two vehicles with carplay on ios 15.2 has been rock solid. One vehicle has wireless carplay...solid as well.
 
Yuck9 said:
I'm staying on 14.x If the day comes when they force it. Then time to depart. I need nav to do my job. Reboots from CarPlay can't and will not happen.
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Apple may not force it. Your phone may break or require service or what have you...and then the latest version will be forced on you.
 
chetzar said:
It's unstable to the point where it's basically useless; worse so for iPhone 13 users (including Pro/Pro Max).
Just recently with the 15.2 update am I able to use Carplay with ONE of the USB inputs in my Jeep Gladiator (one on the dash/USB1) and not have it crash. The second I switch to any other USB input in my Jeep, it goes back to crashing (I discovered the dash input works by accident honestly). I know it's not a problem with USB ports b/c my GF is on iOS 14 and CarPlay on her iPhone works just fine with any of the USB inputs in my Jeep. Same for my other friends on iOS 14. If I switch from the input on the dash to the one in the Center Console (USB2), which the input I used primarily (less cables laying around, cleaner and neater appearance), it crashes every 3 mins, does not matter the app. It even crashes this frequently if I'm not using an apps at all. Same for the rear USB inputs.

Whatever version of iOS they shipped iPhone 13 Pro Max's with (not iOS 15, as I had to upgrade to that after about a week of owning), was perfectly reliable. After I upgraded, it started crashing repeatedly in every car I drove that had CarPlay (all with factory CarPlay systems that were verified by Apple to be officially supported). TBH, the features they rolled out on iOS 15 were not worth sacrificing CarPlay reliability. I have done all the online "troubleshooting" and all the troubleshooting with Apple Support. Nothing. I've even done a full wipe/restore of my iPhone 13 Pro Max AND had the phone replaced, same thing. It's for sure a software issue and Apple has admitted they have no idea what the problem is.

Frustrating as hell because I use CarPlay almost daily in one or both of our vehicles. Particularly terrible if you are relying on it for navigation in an unfamiliar city or town and you miss turns/exits because CarPlay froze up and you have to disconnect and reconnect your iPhone to get it working again.

If I could downgrade to iOS 14, I would.
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I have an iPhone 13 pro running iOS 15 and I’m not having any of those issues. I’m driving a new Subaru with only a little over 1K miles on it.
 
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