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All iPhones in the 13 lineup ships with iOS 15, right? Don’t remember if I updated to 15 on my own or if it just came like this.
 
Future updates should flip how they did it this year. Have iOS 16 front and center with a big upgrade button and keep iOS 15 below it as an option for a while. That should keep adoption numbers high while still giving an option for those who need the utmost stability.
 
All iPhones in the 13 lineup ships with iOS 15, right? Don’t remember if I updated to 15 on my own or if it just came like this.
Yes. The newest iPhone post September Keynote, always ships/installed with the newest version of iOS, which is obviously demoed at WWDC in June prior.
 
I updated the phones at 15.0 and was reluctant on the iPads to leave 14 because the Home Screen seemed like a mess compared to 14, I relented and got my setup back pretty much the way I had it and am ok with 15.2.1 now.
 
They already became more insistent a while ago, didn't they? At least for me, even though I have completely disabled Updates on all my private devices, I received an update notification end of last year.

I will also say that iOS 15.2 is running without noticeable issues (I had to upgrade my work phone as it was mandated by company policies) - the only reason to not upgrade the whole client-side scanning/anti-CSAM issue. Unless they commit to either not introducing it in iOS 15 or reworking it so it works server-sided (preferably only when actually sharing data/photos), I don't think I will upgrade (nor buy new devices).
 
I hope they continue this policy of giving users a choice when a new iOS is released. It lets the brave souls that wish to install the lastest and greatest do so while the people who want to wait until some of the bugs are worked out wait until the .1 or .2 release.
I think stability actually starts to slowly creep in around .4 or .5. :oops: ?
 
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This will probably be an unpopular opinion, but I'm getting weary of all the upgrades. It used to be fun to see all the new features, but the OS is pretty much baked at this point, and now an upgrade is usually just moving stuff around and tweaking things to make it different. 15 for me is just an annoying bunch of changes, (like what they did with do not disturb). It really is unfortunate that our only choices for a mobile device is Apple, "Do it our way, or don't do it all" and Google "All your data belong to us".
 
I'm on iOS 15.x really THE BIGGEST mistake I made in years, even counting in drunk driving, cheating on my wife and beating my kids.

Apple should soon come out with a 'oops our mistake' bug fix only iOS 16 that brings back world peace what a freakin' mess iOS 15 is.

#fillinthefeedbackforms #classactionsuit
 
Yeah this is irritating. Still waiting for 14.8.2. Might be awhile. My 7 runs so great on 14.8.1. I don’t want to mess with a good thing.

I updated my sons 7 to 15.2 and he’s had a weird bug where it photos uses background activity literally all night every night while being plugged in. No thanks!
 
Wondering if I should switch to Android.

Do the different Android phone makers roll their own versions of Android? If so, which one has the best? How is Sony's?
Depending on what brand you get your phone from you’ll be SOL when it comes to updates.
Also sometimes depends on your geographic area. I used to have an Android that an update was available for - in Brazil, but not in the UK for some reason. Other brands got the update in the UK.

Motorola/Lenovo have fairly standard versions of Android, Samsung pretty “customized” ones from what I can tell - I never liked them because they seemed too bloated to me. Others swear by their version ?‍♂️

Anyway, this “fragmentation” of what Android actually is was one of the final reasons I decided to get an iPhone.
 
Apple has evolved into quite the tyrant. Apple giveth and taketh away features with barely a care. If something works for you, too bad, Apple now deems that feature obsolete. There is no option given to retain any feature. If people choose to remain on IOS 14 because it is a better fit, Here comes the big bully Apple, pitching a temper tandrum because its users are making Apple look bad for pushing an update they do not want, need or reduces usability. This is a fail on many levels for Apple. Apple needs to pull up their panties and admit and fix the problem. Upsetting customers is poor business.
 
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Apple has evolved into quite the tyrant. Apple giveth and taketh away features with barely a care. If something works for you, too bad, Apple now deems that feature obsolete. There is no option given to retain any feature. If people choose to remain on IOS 14 because it is a better fit, Here comes the big bully Apple, pitching a temper tandrum because its users are making Apple look bad for pushing an update they do not want, need or reduces usability. This is a fail on many levels for Apple. Apple needs to pull up their panties and admit and fix the problem. Upsetting customers is poor business.

I don't think so. iPhone users are Apple's biggest market by far, and it's proven many times that they'll accept anything that Apple forces down their throats. Heck, the $19 polishing cloth sells like hot cookies.
 


Apple is encouraging people who are still running iOS 14 to update to iOS 15, a reversal of an earlier policy that saw the company allowing iOS 14 users to choose not to install the iOS 15 update.

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When iOS 15 launched, Apple said that iOS offered a "choice between two software update versions," pledging to offer security updates for those who opted to stick with iOS 14.With normal releases, iOS updates are front and center in the Software Update section of the Settings app, but when iOS 15 first came out, it was a footnote at the bottom of the Software Update interface on devices running iOS 14, and easily avoidable.

Apple's patience for those avoiding iOS 15 seems to have dwindled over the last few months, and the company is now pushing iOS 14 users to update. The iOS 15 update is no longer a footnote at the bottom of the Software Update section on a device running iOS 14, and Apple has also stopped releasing iOS 14 security updates.

There was a clear option to stay on iOS 14 and receive updates, which appears to have been eliminated with the launch of iOS 15.2. Apple did not reintroduce the remain on iOS 14 option in the iOS 15.2.1 update that came out yesterday, which seems to be a clear sign that Apple is now expecting people to upgrade. iPhone users who want to have the latest security protections must now update to iOS 15.

As an example, Apple in October released iOS 14.8.1 with security updates. On an iPhone still running iOS 14.8, the iOS 14.8.1 update is no longer available, and Apple is only offering iOS 15.2.1 as an installation option.

iOS 15 is available on all of the devices that are able to run iOS 14, and removing the option to stay on iOS 14 will likely spur people to upgrade. At the current time, iOS 15 is installed on 72 percent of devices from the last four years, which is a notably lower adoption rate than we've seen with prior versions of iOS.

(Thanks, DhinakG!)

Article Link: Apple More Aggressively Pushing iOS 14 Users to Upgrade to iOS 15

Hmm.

Was there not an OFFICIAL public statement that Apple would allow users to stay on ioS 14 for a considerable length of time or skip to iOS 16? I cannot recall but I believe that occurred. I maybe wrong though.


That said iOS 15 still has great benefits that add onto these benefits led by iOS 14.
 
The percentage that have not updated are all of the elderly and few younger that can't stand change!

LOL! More to it than that!

Responding to two earlier commenters about their iPad Air 2.

We have two of them. One, I inadvertently updated to iOS 15. I sync via a USB cable to my Mac — and iTunes did NOT provide an option to go to 14.8.1.

I had read about the need to do a security upgrade and did so, but soon found that updating to iOS 15 was a BIG mistake.

The layout is atrocious; massive wasted space around the icons; no way of having the same 4 x 5 grid of icons that I had before. That matters as selecting apps is physical memory of their location -- my iPad Air no longer has its apps in the same place. The tighter spacing is a waste and looks ridiculous. The always-on multitasking is a nuisance, too. There's another functional issue, too. I still repeatedly hit the triple dot icon whereas it always used to select the URL entry box. It was convenient and fast to do Paste and Search. Now, I'm often having to send the split screen options away…. A nuisance.

But, still, I can live with all that.

The real disaster is that I have lost *two* hours of battery life — and that’s with all background refresh and location services turned off — and no widgets!

Maybe there's a setting I’ve missed…

On our second iPad Air, I noticed that over-the-air gave us the 14.8.1 option, so we took it. No effect on battery life and everything has remained the same. Wonderful!

Wish I had never updated mine!

Apple should provide security updates to a previous version or two, let people choose their iOS, and let us live with whatever security issues might arise with even earlier updates.

They should also never force updates on older devices where the battery hit is so severe. Security patches in those cases should always be an option.
 
I don't think so. iPhone users are Apple's biggest market by far, and it's proven many times that they'll accept anything that Apple forces down their throats. Heck, the $19 polishing cloth sells like hot cookies.

And yet the polishing cloth has nothing to do with iPhones or Apple iPhone users in general - unless they choose to purchase this. Nothing you've stated backs-up nor aligns with your claim iPhone users accept Apple forcing anything down our throats.

What's this affixiation of users and throats? Do you have a fetish of throats and forcing, and is this something risky you want online?? hmmm.
 
I was surprised too but I think it probably had to do with CSAM. But now iOS 15 offers more security/privacy features. Apple want people to have iOS 15 installed on their devices.
They will still address CSAM but maybe drop the on-device scanning. I’m willing to give Apple the benefit of a doubt now because they have other privacy features I endorse. For me it was only the on-device scanning and if they go a more conventional way that’s fine with me.


Anyone with iOS 14.3 and up has on-device scanning already installed, so I guess if they went ahead with on-device scanning all you could do was sell your phone even if you were on iOS 14.3 and up. I’m willing to give them some leeway here, so one phone is now on iOS 15.2 and the other on iOS 14.


To Apple: You can get back my trust, so give up on the on-device scanning and just find a way to do it on your servers instead.
 
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I’m on ios 15 for my 1st gen ipp 12.9” I had to upgrade because after wiping my ipad clean and upgrading to 14.x, I still couldn’t get my laggy almost nonfunctioning ipad to work. 15 definitely helped. That said, 2 other ipads and 3 iphones are on ios 14.x. My 2018 mini was upgraded to Monterey and it is surprisingly stable.
 
I think stability actually starts to slowly creep in around .4 or .5. :oops: ?
Stability at the x.4 release seems about right. At least that's been my experience since iOS 11.

For each of the subsequent releases after iOS 11, I didn't upgrade until sometime around the next WWDC... basically a year after they revealed it.
 
Stability at the x.4 release seems about right. At least that's been my experience since iOS 11.

For each of the subsequent releases after iOS 11, I didn't upgrade until sometime around the next WWDC... basically a year after they revealed it.
Yup. The same reason I never buy launch-day devices. Too many software and hardware issues to correct. It's a tool and I need it to work as well as can be expected and not crash constantly.
 
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