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Maybe not the loss the China you think it is, when you consider that Luxshare is a Chinese-owned company (That's Grace Wang, Luxshare CEO, standing to Cook's right in the image above).
And they're all making products for Apple, an American company with the highest profit ever recorded for a corporation.
 
This is not a cost issue.

You are correct on China's manufacturing capabilities are far far ahead of any other country, let alone USA. That is not because of manufacturing equipment, but the ecosystem and the specialists/experts that are locally available.

To the decree of China's experts in the specialised fields, there are not many countries that offer a similar concentration of people, including US and EU.

This is absolute rubbish. You can train just about anyone to do just about anything you want or need them to do. You can even build robots to take their jobs. This is a power and revenue thing.

Tim's #1 product is his shareholder price. Keep that high, keep the money flowing, and that's all that matters.
 
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And ultimately a loss for the USA. We need to bring manufacturing back stateside. The "but the devices will cost 100x more" excuse has long term consequences for US sovereignty and economic stability. Additionally that point is addressable via legislation. China are strong because of their manufacturing ability which is rapidly growing. Meanwhile the US's manufacturing ability is crumbling.

I want my Apple devices "Designed in California and Made in USA."
You need to heavily subsidize the increasingly uncompetitive manufacturing sector for companies to be attracted back to made in USA in low to mid-end manufacturing. High-end manufacturing in the US is also maintaining good margins because it could get parts cheaply from lower down the supply chain. Legally mandating domestic manufacturing might not be as conducive to economic stability as you think.
 
Specialists and experts that do not or cannot exist in the USA? How do you think the specialists and experts in China came to be? There is nothing inherent about the Chinese people that make them better at manufacturing. There is not much China can do that the USA cannot from a technical point of view, it's just a matter of where we choose to invest in manufacturing. Population is a factor of course but somewhat irrelevant. USA manufacturing was moved to China because of cost as the companies here wanted to extract more profit at the cost of long term national economic stability. That's not a "cost issue" that's a greed issue. China don't think like we do, they don't optimize for short term economic gain, they optimize for long term stability. We have much to learn from China.
Odd that I agreed with you in the whole post as you detailed why the USA could easily do anything China can, and in the last sentence you go wit’s “We have much to learn from China” (in reference to their planning for long-term).
 
I guess my Apple contact was wrong then, he said the entire Apple base and production line were heading to Birmingham
 
This is not a cost issue.

You are correct on China's manufacturing capabilities are far far ahead of any other country, let alone USA. That is not because of manufacturing equipment, but the ecosystem and the specialists/experts that are locally available.

To the decree of China's experts in the specialised fields, there are not many countries that offer a similar concentration of people, including US and EU.

What specialists and experts are we talking about here? You mean the abundance of cheap child labor and lack of labor and environment government oversight? If you are talking about that then yes, China, has got the world beat in that.
 
Wake me Up when they move iPhone production. Everything else combined doesn’t equal 2% of Apples sales.
 
Apparently they can make them anywhere in the world except here in the U.S. You can't have an economy that only makes the F35 and space rockets...
 
And ultimately a loss for the USA. We need to bring manufacturing back stateside. The "but the devices will cost 100x more" excuse has long term consequences for US sovereignty and economic stability. Additionally that point is addressable via legislation. China are strong because of their manufacturing ability which is rapidly growing. Meanwhile the US's manufacturing ability is crumbling.

I want my Apple devices "Designed in California and Made in USA."
Keep on dreaming.
If you love made in USA so much, you can start small. Buy US made clothings and apparels. No need to wait for Apple. See if you can walk the talk.
 
Apparently they can make them anywhere in the world except here in the U.S. You can't have an economy that only makes the F35 and space rockets...
Not anywhere in the world. Only in places where the OEMs (Foxconn, Luxshare, Pegatron, Quanta, etc) have factories. Also, Go look at how the workers live and work in these factories, and see if any Americans would want to do it.
 
Go look around your house and see how sick you actually are. :D
Easy to bash China, but you rely on so many things made in China that it isn’t funny.
I have actively given up anything and everything Chinese. Even my iPhone is not Made in Chine. With all illegal transgressions happening in my country from Chinese side, I don’t like them 1 bit.
 
China are strong because of their manufacturing ability which is rapidly growing.

If China's manufacturing ability was rapidly growing right now, we would not be in the current supply chain mess.

I absolutely agree with you that the United States needs to bring back manufacturing. But at the same time we need to stop allowing our economy to become dependent on autocratic regimes, whether it is China, Russia, Venezuela or Saudi Arabia.
 
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And ultimately a loss for the USA. We need to bring manufacturing back stateside. The "but the devices will cost 100x more" excuse has long term consequences for US sovereignty and economic stability. Additionally that point is addressable via legislation. China are strong because of their manufacturing ability which is rapidly growing. Meanwhile the US's manufacturing ability is crumbling.

I want my Apple devices "Designed in California and Made in USA."
I don’t disagree but no one will be willing to pay for the premium a made in the US apple computer would cost.

People already complain Apple computers are over priced.
 
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Apple is in the process of relocating Apple Watch and Mac production to the Southeast Asian country of Vietnam as part of a broader push to diversify its supply chain, Nikkei Asia reports.

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The report says that Apple's supplier Luxshare has begun trial production of Apple Watch and MacBook models in Vietnam. Vietnam is already the home for production of several Apple productions, including certain iPad and AirPods models.

Alongside Apple Watch and MacBook production possibly moving to Vietnam, the report says that Apple is also mulling potentially moving HomePod production to the country. The report noted that Apple's trial production of MacBooks in Vietnam is progressing slowly due to pandemic-related disruptions.

Article Link: Apple Moving MacBook and Apple Watch Production to Vietnam for the First Time
Anything is better than the CCP controlled Chin.
 
I hope someday South America becomes the next manufacturing center of the world, that would help those people in those countries immensely and help with the U.S. border situation. Unfotunately there is too much political instability and corrpution in that part of the world right now.
How would South America as a manufacturing center help with the US border situation? You mean, El Salvadorans would choose to migrate to Brazil, or what?
 
Wake me Up when they move iPhone production. Everything else combined doesn’t equal 2% of Apples sales.
iPhone made up 49.01% of Apple’s net sales in the quarter ending on June 25, 2022. So everything else combined equaled 50.99% of Apple’s net sales.

You can verify what I just wrote by going to Apple’s “condensed consolidated statement of operations“ and looking towards the bottom of page one.

I will note that the net sales number includes services. If you want to exclude services and only include hardware, then iPhone made up 64.185% of hardware net sales and everything else made up 35.815% of hardware net sales.
 
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I absolutely agree with you that the United States needs to bring back manufacturing.
To do that, look at the education system. That's the key to prepare workforce for factories and manufacturing.

Even if Foxconn or Pegatron openly make the large volume factories that companies like Apple require, I doubt many Americans would want to work nor have the skills to work in the condition required.
 
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