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I use bespoke engineering software, no chance they will be available for the Mac, I do wish people would think before running down windows, its not ideal but it does okay

Scottie

Most people who talk down Windows probably haven't used it recently.

It's a great OS, it just gets out of the way and lets you do whatever you have to. All operating systems these days pretty much offer the same functionality even if the underlying kernel is different.
 
It's unbelievable to me that a multi-billionaire company as Apple cannot write a piece an app to replace iTunes on Windows. Is not a way to force people like me on buying a mac (I have a Mac, but I spend 10 hours a day on a PC). I'm really upset about this.

I'm really upset that a multi-billionaire company like Microsoft cannot write Power Bi desktop for the Mac. Its like they are trying to force people like me to buy a Windows machine.
 
I bet Apple has data that says people like you, use either an iPhone or Android device to listen to music while using their PC.....99.896% of the time. Go to the Apple Music website on your PC if you do not use a smartphone.
Well of course they do if they do not have much choice.....


I mean give them a decent app and those data could see a big change.

Most people who talk down Windows probably haven't used it recently.

It's a great OS, it just gets out of the way and lets you do whatever you have to. All operating systems these days pretty much offer the same functionality even if the underlying kernel is different.

Agreed, it's not Windows 98 anymore!

Might not be perfect, but Windows 11 is a HUGE step in the right direction (Windows 10 started it all).
 
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Windows 11....making Windows 10 look good everyday. Besides some PC gamer friends, who have Mac's as well, I do not know anyone that "chooses" Windows anymore.

It is such a complete mess with ZERO ecosystem. This article is about how you can use the Android subsystem to run Apple's music software on Windows. The irony is amazing. Dare I say its Zunetastic!!!!
I haven't tried Windows 11, but Windows 10 is shockingly good. Microsoft made a lot of progress in the decade leading up to Windows 10. Meanwhile, Apple hasn't done much with the Mac in the past decade+... a lot of what Apple has focused on is making questionable UI changes while failing to do adequate QA to make sure their updates are actually good to go on release day.

When Windows 10 wants to update, I let it ASAP. When macOS wants to update, I go and check the MacRumors forums to see what bugs people are finding, and generally I wait a few weeks for Apple to release several bug fix versions.
 
I wonder if I could use this to get Atmos Apple Music on my home theatre system since Apple can’t be bothered to release Smart TV Apple Music apps for other platforms.

I’m not going to spend £169 for an Apple TV 4K just for Atmos Apple Music especially when competitors are already offering apps that support Atmos Audio on other home platforms. I have 2 Sony Android TV’s both capable of Atmos, and an Xbox Series S and PS5 that can also output Atmos so I don’t need yet another device just to get Atmos audio to work.

When I used the Tidal app on my Sony TV with their free trial Atmos audio through the home theatre system was amazing and transformative, right now being restricted to headphones on my iPhone for Atmos Apple Music feels like a big let down.
 
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Yes it has an Android emulator (ARM to Intel x866/64) so you can run Android apps. Not sure about performance or UI/GUI performance (touch apps with considerably different resolution layout all being emulated).

With the M1 iOS to Mac everything is native, so no emulation and on a much more powerful chip. If anything performance goes up unless you have a M1 based iPad. Even then if you get a M1 Pro or Max then the performance of an app will be greater.
When it comes to iOS or Android apps, well, nobody really cares about performance. People just want to run them.
 
I haven't tried Windows 11, but Windows 10 is shockingly good. Microsoft made a lot of progress in the decade leading up to Windows 10. Meanwhile, Apple hasn't done much with the Mac in the past decade+... a lot of what Apple has focused on is making questionable UI changes while failing to do adequate QA to make sure their updates are actually good to go on release day.

When Windows 10 wants to update, I let it ASAP. When macOS wants to update, I go and check the MacRumors forums to see what bugs people are finding, and generally I wait a few weeks for Apple to release several bug fix versions.
macos far from windows and linux user experince. Yes the control panel ux got two way but i prefer the old way which much quicker to access then the right side bar.
 
Hope windows on arm and bootcamp make their way to macs again it was lovely to run both together so seamlessly.
 
Why would anyone have a windows pc? Especially after the new Macbooks that blow every other laptop out of the water.
As a consumer, sure. But MS too has an ecosystem, it just doesn't directly compete with Apple's primarily consumer market.

Start with the fact that most companies over fifty people need a central log in service whether they are retail, office workers, fast food or whatever. This primarily comes from two companies: Amazon and MS. MS is the entrenched player here with Active Directory.

While any desktop OS can use AD as a login service Windows does it best. So from a cheap and easy installation perspective MS wins.

And so corporate America runs windows. And that's who primarily wants windows PCs.

On the consumer side Apple still doesn't compete in the under $1000 range, really. If I'm looking for a laptop for my kid to get school work done pretty much any machine these days has that horsepower so why spend more than a few hundred if I don't have to?
 
With the M1 iOS to Mac everything is native, so no emulation and on a much more powerful chip. If anything performance goes up unless you have a M1 based iPad. Even then if you get a M1 Pro or Max then the performance of an app will be greater.
Assuming there is any meaningful iOS app left to run that is.

Go and search iOS games and see how many can run on M1 Mac, alongside other apps.
 
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If you go out into the real world and away from Apple enthusiast on-line forums you'd be surprised how many people use a Windows PC. It's about 75% of them.
I tried a 2015 MacBook Pro in 2016. Hated it. Quickly went back to windows.

Of course I haven’t owned a computer other than my phone in years. No use for it
 
Tell this to people who can’t even earn $3000 per month after rent and food.

Not only that, there are uncountable scenarios where any Apple Hardware would not be usable, because it's too expensive(value/money), too inflexible, not decently extendable, offers no decent critical local business support within a few hours, etc.

Starting with production machines, most of them run Windows/Linux, even the ones that are used to mill the Apple devices.
Then many Medical devices(Machines to do dangerous brain op's, XRay, etc.)
Then over to ArchViz and CADCAM, MotionCapture devices, Renderfarms, etc.
Switches, Routers, Servers, even the iCloud/AppStore does not run on Macs.

Things that matters and keep the world spinning runs on FreeBSD, Linux and Windows.
Even Apples own Infrastructure would not exist without other Operating Systems.

Well and these uninformed people (e.g. the one you've replied to) sit at home thinking it's all done with Macs, heh. ?
 
There are many reasons

One can still run software they bought in 1991 for Windows 3.11 on Windows 11 without any modifications or simulators. One cannot get that kind of backwards compatibility with any other OS.

One has access to faaaar more games using Windows. More productivity software as well. Windows 11 is an excellent operating system. It's modern, it's very stable, and it's easy to use.
"One can still run software they bought in 1991"

How many people in these forums were old enough to even use a computer in 1991 :) Let alone still have software from then.

Windows 11 is a complete train wreck. All of the popular Windows sites gave it an "OK" review 6 out of 10. Lots of negativity.

They basically took the failed Windows 10X GUI, which was trying to compete with Chrome OS, and slapped it on Windows 10 and called it "Windows 11". I have played with it. You can move the task bar to the sides or top. Right clicking has been dumbed down with lots of options removed "Chrome OS competitor". You have to have a Microsoft Cloud or AD account, no more support for local accounts. You have Star Dock and others making $$$ to give back some of the UI stuff that was taken away. None of the junky built apps were updated, like that disaster of a photos app but......they all have rounded corners now.

Windows is not consumer friendly any more.
 
You forgot to say only if your in the US!
Otherwise just use Bluestacks.

As for who still uses windows… Well, when engineering software starts being developed for AS (which is never, there’s very little demand), and gaming on MacOS isn’t a nightmare, I’ll make a full switch.

Until then, I’ll just own both.
 
I use bespoke engineering software, no chance they will be available for the Mac, I do wish people would think before running down windows, its not ideal but it does okay

Scottie
I get it. I work in IT at a retail company, managing the Infrastructure team. We have over 5000 POS machines (point of sale) that have to run Windows. Our POS software vendor is working on a Linux appliance version and once its good to go we will be ditching Windows on those machines.

For every one that has a "bespoke engineering software" there are 20 people that do not even use a computer anymore. I see high school and college kids use their Smartphones and Google Docs to do term papers. Or an iPad or Chrome book. They do not use PC's unless they are a PC gamer.

With every year that passes, more and more Enterprise software becomes Web Based on the client end. I have been doing IT for a while now and many of the critical business apps, that used to have fat client Windows x86/64 end user software is almost all web based now. We are hard core Office 365 at my company, I almost never use the Windows/Mac client software, I just go to Office.com and use webmail, sharepoint, onedrive and the office apps from there.

That said I know of apps that run a Lathe, or X-ray machine that are running Windows XP or Windows 7 today. They are not on the network anymore but the maker of the Xray machine or whatever machinery does not want to update their software on those machines. Eventually it will happen, but not anytime soon.
 
Not only that, there are uncountable scenarios where any Apple Hardware would not be usable, because it's too expensive(value/money), too inflexible, not decently extendable, offers no decent critical local business support within a few hours, etc.

Starting with production machines, most of them run Windows/Linux, even the ones that are used to mill the Apple devices.
Then many Medical devices(Machines to do dangerous brain op's, XRay, etc.)
Then over to ArchViz and CADCAM, MotionCapture devices, Renderfarms, etc.
Switches, Routers, Servers, even the iCloud/AppStore does not run on Macs.

Things that matters and keep the world spinning runs on FreeBSD, Linux and Windows.
Even Apples own Infrastructure would not exist without other Operating Systems.

Well and these uninformed people (e.g. the one you've replied to) sit at home thinking it's all done with Macs, heh. ?
I doubt anyone thinks that Apple is run on a bunch of Mac's. That said, MacOS is FreeBSD. Their data centers are probably running on Linux or FreeBSD. iCloud is probably pure Linux with custom software on top of it.
 
Most people who talk down Windows probably haven't used it recently.

It's a great OS, it just gets out of the way and lets you do whatever you have to. All operating systems these days pretty much offer the same functionality even if the underlying kernel is different.
Really? Gets out of your way?? I use it everyday. I love that last update that put that weather news bar on thousands of PC's at work. We spent a few days figuring out how to turn it off via a GPP, testing that etc. Well that was after we had to turn off the print spooler because of all the security holes and the 3 attempts from Microsoft could not fix it.

The people that run our Windows desktop team fight this battle all the time. Getting rid of Cortona, Xbox software, 3D paint, mobile phone service app, Games, and countless other applications that are installed on the "Enterprise" version of Windows either out of the box on with some bi-annual update. Its a joke. Go ahead and flood Windows Home versions with that junk, like the "People" button that showed up on the task bar or the news weather app as well, with some update, that is now gone because no one used it. On the Enterprise version none of that stuff should be on and the user, an IT team in this case, should enable it if needed.
 
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Thank you Microsoft for doing what Apple wont.

I loved Apple Music but having to use iTunes or a web browser on Windows? No thanks! I went straight back to Spotify.

If Apple put out a native Windows Apple Music app then I'll go right back to Apple Music. I guess it's up to Apple if they want my money or not...
I don't pay for Spotify and listen on my PC browser.
The app for Windows is kind of annoying.
Even listening to 30 second samples on iTunes, the audio quality works better for me.
I also believe Apple Music has more songs than anyone else.
Everyone charges about the same price.
If I were going to actually pay for music, it would have to be Apple Music.
 
I haven't tried Windows 11, but Windows 10 is shockingly good. Microsoft made a lot of progress in the decade leading up to Windows 10. Meanwhile, Apple hasn't done much with the Mac in the past decade+... a lot of what Apple has focused on is making questionable UI changes while failing to do adequate QA to make sure their updates are actually good to go on release day.

When Windows 10 wants to update, I let it ASAP. When macOS wants to update, I go and check the MacRumors forums to see what bugs people are finding, and generally I wait a few weeks for Apple to release several bug fix versions.
"When Windows 10 wants to update, I let it ASAP"

You have no choice. One of the biggest complaints about Windows 10, forced updates and the fact they happen at the worst times. I watched a compilation video of twitch streamers that got booted by forced updates in the middle of a streaming session, it was quite funny. Its also funny you think Windows updates do not break anything. I work in IT, and we support thousands of Windows 10 computers and Windows 2008-2022 servers. Their updates break stuff all the time. Usually not super bad but at times taking down business operations. If you ever managed a WSUS server and or Itune you could easily see how some updates are released, pulled, re-released and pulled again because of bugs.

I can't understand how you complain about Apple's UI changes when you went from Windows 7 to 8 which was a complete disaster back to Windows 10 which half 7 and half 8. Even after 5 years there are still parts of Windows 10 have the XP UI or things that still must be done in Control Panel vs Settings. They never finished it. I bet Windows 11 still has parts of the OS that have carried over the XP UI, like device manager or control panel and they probably look even more odd with rounded corners.

Windows 10 also has horrible display scaling. Sure it scales the OS resolution but if your app does not support it...it is bad. On a Mac scaling is so much better.
 
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