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All power to you, do what you like. As long as you understand that you are not a typical user, and noone will build a business case around your use case.

You read things into my replies that I did not write. That is not on me, but on you. I don’t need millions of songs. But I don’t know of a streaming service that only provides JUST the few thousand tracks that I will probably get through over a decade. The millions are needed for the service to pick from, to show me music I didn’t know I wanted.

Many people spent tens and even hundreds of thousands of dollars on gear to listen to a few hundred albums. That’s fine - I’m not one of those telling you that you SHOULD get a streaming service. My gripe is with your relationship with music in general, and your refusal to take in “new” (could be old recordings) music. No, Beethoven won’t make more symphonies. But what if there is a better version that you are missing out on? The quality of the performance and the recording has a MUCH bigger impact on your listening experience than the codec. So if you ACTUALLY are willing to pay a premium to get a better experience, you need to start searching for better versions of what you have. Streaming or not.

For the record, I still think you are a troll and made it all up, but I don’t take debates with random people on the internet too seriously anyway…

I do not know why my 'relationship' with music is of anyones concern. I just want to be able to re-buy these songs in the higher quality the same as we did from 128bit to 256bit.
 
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Because there’s no fee? News isn’t exactly music, though I do go back and read old news occasionally. This story is so good that it’s in my top ten!

I think that for the original poster it is more like Apple is saying “We know you already bought the house, but if you start paying us rent we will paint it for you.”

Some of us prefer buying to renting because we like to be able to keep things after we stop paying, and I also don’t like it when licenses change and favourite songs or movies are suddenly gone from a service. I’m old enough that I already own more music than I have time to listen, so subscriptions are pretty much just paying again for something I already own in multiple formats. That said, I’m a sucker for Surround and Quadraphonic sound, so this will likely get me to sign up to at least see how it sounds.
 
If you only listen to 257 songs you don't like music and the upgrade to lossless would not be worth it to you at any price it seems.
Quantity does not equal quality.

If anything, being that selective would more likely mean that those specific songs mean more to them than you can even imagine.
 
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Why? If you already own every song you listen to. Why would you pay monthly to stream the same songs you own?
Well this clears things up. Shame as I don't care to stream music. Rather buy the music I like and save my data plan for other stuff instead of sucking up my 10gb data plan within a week or two. I just like the idea of having all my music downloaded that I bought from itunes. To me streaming just a waste of money. Unless you like millions of songs and dont want to buy to have them all then I understand that part.
 
Okay... so AirPods can't play high-res files. I get that. What happens is lossless is downgraded to 256 kbps AAC before it is beamed to the wireless headphones/speakers.

My question is this: Is everything above 256 kbps downgraded? What's the threshold? I've got a pretty big music library consisting of CDs ripped to ACC with XLD at a bitrate of anywhere between 300 to 400 kbps (variable). I elected to go this route years ago as I realized that I could not tell the difference between lossless and high bitrate (relatively speaking) AAC— even with my Sennheisers and Audezes. So am I not hearing my music as I thought I was?

It's not too big of a deal. I think my music sounds great, whether through wired or wirelsss. But I'd like to know, nevertheless.
 
Why is there some song threshold to like music and be deemed worthy to want that music at higher quality? I like the Danse Macabre and enjoyed playing it on my violin and I play it well, I don't enjoy playing other music on it so why should it have too? The same for my music collection, I already said I am happy to re-buy it, I was fully expecting to re-buy it all, but it is locked behind an expensive subscription.

There isn’t a song threshold to meet I order to want your music at high quality. There is however a threshold below which companies will not factor those use cases into their business decisions.
 
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Why is there some song threshold to like music and be deemed worthy to want that music at higher quality? I like the Danse Macabre and enjoyed playing it on my violin and I play it well, I don't enjoy playing other music on it so why should it have too? The same for my music collection, I already said I am happy to re-buy it, I was fully expecting to re-buy it all, but it is locked behind an expensive subscription.
Did you check if any of your songs are available to buy from the various places that actually sell lossless downloads? Or does it have to be bought from Apple?
 
Did you check if any of your songs are available to buy from the various places that actually sell lossless downloads? Or does it have to be bought from Apple?

Apple are ideal, they are the only company I have bought music from and do wish for my music library to be easy to upgrade and then easy to port to my other Apple devices. Honestly I don't see myself even remotely looking into another system, I went Apple because they did iTunes so well.
 
It became “anyones” concern when you joined an internet forum and shared it. If you don’t like people responding to you, don’t post.

I can see this going round in circles, especially when the original context has been buried in eighteen pages of posts. It very much seems you yourself are not aware of the context here.
 
Okay... so AirPods can't play high-res files. I get that. What happens is lossless is downgraded to 256 kbps AAC before it is beamed to the wireless headphones/speakers.

My question is this: Is everything above 256 kbps downgraded? What's the threshold? I've got a pretty big music library consisting of CDs ripped to ACC with XLD at a bitrate of anywhere between 300 to 400 kbps (variable). I elected to go this route years ago as I realized that I could not tell the difference between lossless and high bitrate (relatively speaking) AAC— even with my Sennheisers and Audezes. So am I not hearing my music as I thought I was?

It's not too big of a deal. I think my music sounds great, whether through wired or wirelsss. But I'd like to know, nevertheless.

Yes, everything gets uncompressed, mixed with iOS sounds, then recompressed to 256Kbps AAC for Bluetooth transmission. Even 256Kbps AAC will get decompressed and recompressed for Bluetooth.
 
I really have no doubt Apple will eventually let everyone upgrade their purchases.

It's not looking good, at least from the onset, for customers who want to upgrade purchases.

Lossless quality will not be available for iTunes purchases and there is no way to upgrade owned music to lossless via iTunes Match.

I guess they don't think people are going to pay to upgrade their library, or it wouldn't be worth the cost of making this available through the iTunes store. And it certainly validates my decision to not waste a cent on iTunes Match, which was initially targeted toward people like me who had already imported extensive physical media collections into the Apple Music ecosystem.
 
Why? If you already own every song you listen to. Why would you pay monthly to stream the same songs you own?
lol - it's not just about streaming your own songs - but your playlists are in sync amongst your devices vs you having to manage them individually. it's also getting new music relevative to what you love/enjoy.
 
And it certainly validates my decision to not waste a cent on iTunes Match, which was initially targeted toward people like me who had already imported extensive physical media collections into the Apple Music ecosystem.

Why? Its a great backup solution to that media and being able to have them on all devices
 
lol - it's not just about streaming your own songs - but your playlists are in sync amongst your devices vs you having to manage them individually. it's also getting new music relevative to what you love/enjoy.
careful, you're talking to a guy who refuses to listen to new music beyond the holy 247 tracks
 
careful, you're talking to a guy who refuses to listen to new music beyond the holy 247 tracks

267, but regardless you have missed the point completely. I guess the people that have spend $1000's building up iTunes libraries are also equally invalid to want to pay Apple to upgrade these to the latest higher quality versions because people like you canny see past your expensive subscription.
 
Why? Its a great backup solution to that media and being able to have them on all devices
I tried it a few times, and every time, I would try adding an album, and it would match all but 1 or 2 songs, and would upload my copy. My OCD couldn't handle that, so I scrapped trying to use iTunes Match.
 
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267, but regardless you have missed the point completely. I guess the people that have spend $1000's building up iTunes libraries are also equally invalid to want to pay Apple to upgrade these to the latest higher quality versions because people like you canny see past your expensive subscription.

I never said it was an unreasonable request to want to upgrade to ALAC.

...and what "expensive subscriptions"? its itunes match + unlimited downloading of albums for less than the price of half an album a month
 
I tried it a few times, and every time, I would try adding an album, and it would match all but 1 or 2 songs, and would upload my copy. My OCD couldn't handle that, so I scrapped trying to use iTunes Match.

i can see that being an issue if there was an audio quality discrepancy

for albums i ripped that i want the original master (and not a ****** "remaster" with horrible dynamic range reductions) I used a workaround to make the entire thing Uploaded and not the Matched copy
 
Why? Its a great backup solution to that media and being able to have them on all devices

My entire music library is already backed up via iCloud, synced to my iPhone & iPad (with a very limited subset on my Apple Watch), and accessible on my AppleTV via the "Computers" app. No need to pay extra for a service that might mess with my very methodically curated library, particularly if it isn't going to upgrade the songs/albums I haven't gotten around to ripping at a higher bitrate.
 
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My entire music library is already backed up via iCloud, synced to my iPhone & iPad (with a very limited subset on my Apple Watch), and accessible on my AppleTV via the "Computers" app. No need to pay extra for a service that might mess with my very methodically curated library, particularly if it isn't going to upgrade the songs/albums I haven't gotten around to ripping at a higher bitrate.

how do you back up with icloud and sync your itunes/music library to your ipad that way?
 
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