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Also how many iPhone users do the free trial of Apple Music for 3 months forget to cancel not even noticing they are paying for it. That is why I always say usage is more important. Same with Netflix how many pay but actually use it not many. Of course these companies don't care if you use there service for 6 hours a day or a few hours a month as long as they bill you that is all that matters.
 
Nope. GPM is great. It's even better with free YT premium.
Glad you like it. I think it's ugly, and last time I used it- it was buggy*. The playlists and radio stations don't find the music I like as much as Apple Music. However, maybe it's improved but the market seems not have noticed because I don't think it's very popular.
* it could have been google's data capacity in Australia.
 
Can somebody helpe figure out why Spotify and Apple Music both suck so bad for listening to anime music?
 
Glad you like it. I think it's ugly, and last time I used it- it was buggy*. The playlists and radio stations don't find the music I like as much as Apple Music. However, maybe it's improved but the market seems not have noticed because I don't think it's very popular.
* it could have been google's data capacity in Australia.
Well, at least everyone can agree that everyone doesn't think GPM isn't that good.;):D
*I don't know what google's data capacity means.
 
And, once again, I call B.S. I’ve never met an actual person in the real world who uses Apple Music instead of Spotify.

How quaint. We should all write down where we were when we heard this.

I may or may not know any "actual person in the real world" who uses a Ford F-Series pickup truck instead of a Chevy, but I'm sure God not going to lose any sleep wondering if Ford just sells $41 billion of those trucks every year to people who never drive them.
 
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Just don't pay for the year. I had to beg Apple on the phone for a prorated refund. Pay every service monthly. It might cost you more but at least you are not locked into a yearly contract and stuck with it if it gets bad. I am actually glad Google and Spotify don't offer yearly rates.

spotify does offer a yearly plan for $120. you wont save any money, but it won't autorenew
 
And yet *every time* someone shares a playlist on the internet, it's a Spotify playlist, and so I can't get it. I'll believe Apple has pulled ahead when it isn't so brutally obvious what the hive mind prefers.

It's actually kinda too bad... The fraction of times someone shares a list or song from Apple Music, the experience is pretty damned slick.
 
Apple Music was always going to win. The ecosystem is just so strong. If you're in for Apple environment, Apple Music is the only way forward. Spotify, Pandora, Tidal on iOS meanwhile, continued to be a second rate apps. You can play music, but voice assistant is missing. CarPlay is missing, HomePod native support is missing. All those seemingly gimmicky features are actually useful and more needed than the music itself. It's all about convenience, rather than music library counts.

I have exported my Spotify playlists, and I am fine with Apple Music, I can discover new musics just as much, if not more than I did on Spotify. And also I can upload my "rare collections" that with iCloud Music Library, and stream anywhere. Spotify can only do local uploads.
Apple Music also wins in raw numbers. 45 mils vs. 30mils and growing.

Either way, music streaming is a cruel business, high cost with razor thin profit. It is supposed to be a complimentary service like Apple, Google, or Amazon has, not as standalone business. I'm all ears for competition and I was a Spotify user too. But Spotify needs backup with deep pockets. Try Microsoft because they both fit for each other, and Spotify won't need to worry about earning profits and focus on music service instead.
 
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Steve said that years ago. The times have changed and for the most part people don't give a crap about ownership of anything. Convenience always beats out quality.

The problem now (and this is partly due to the iTunes digital store and it's former popularity) is that music has lost a lot of it's value. Not that people don't enjoy music, but rather the relationship between the listeners and their music has been degraded. People used to buy whole albums and listen to it as a whole. Beginning to end. You couldn't skip a track on vinyl. CD's enabled you to skip to your favorite tracks, and then with iTunes you could now just buy the tracks you wanted. When looking through someones library you do not see an artists discography, but just their hits. Spotify took this and ran with it, making the hits into playlists. It's the new album. The playlist though does not have songs that tie into each other, there is no story or theme being presented, so most of the songs are just fluff. When the fluff song becomes old, people move on. It devalues music.

When music is devalued, there is no reason to own. Just stream. If you are like me and find music that still tells a story, or presents a theme, you will buy the music.
I…subscribe to a music streaming service and prefer to listen to albums straight through unless there’s a specific track I’d like to hear. I also try to support artists I like by attending shows from time to time since, well, that’s where the money’s been made ever since iTunes came about in the first place. If you want to talk about “devaluing” the relationship between music and listener, start there.

Not sure why you’re applying some huge narrative to how one prefers to obtain music.
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How about a free version with ads.
You’re funny.
 
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I would perhaps sign up and get on that subscription if iTunes wasn't so annoying.

It is impossible to search through iTunes music without a gigantic hassle. If you aren't buying into the modern dreck they are pushing, they stifle your ability to find anything unless you have a precise-laser-focus-trigger-phrase search. They won't even RECOMMEND within a genre unless it is new and dumpy. Hidden gems of the past are paved over by popularity and corporate junk.

How many times can I listen to Pink or U2 or (hip, modern, boring, suburban-bland band) before I barf? About once. Maybe less.

Apple has a massive problem in archiving and displaying and presenting of music. Your money masters might lead around the noobs by a nose ring, but I want something fresh from the days of great music and hifi production. Apple Music doesn't help me.

And gramps, here, hates the loudness war, too. Someone, please, stop with compression and let me turn up the volume to hear nuance.
How to find popular songs by ratings. Top 100, by age bracket, etc.
 
Not surprised. Spotify has an unsustainable business model and they know it. The only efficient way to have a subscription steaming service financially work is if you look at it from the opposite direction. You have to have hardware sales large enough to offset the barely break even streaming revenue. Spotify relied on subscriber growth to convince investors that they would be profitable “some day”. Now that growth is plateaud, it’s only a matter of time before they are absorbed by a competing hardware company. Apple knew that they had to apply the same business model of iPod/iTunes as Apple Music/iPhone (or iPad). That’s from their considerable market experience.
 
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My iTunes library also represents years and years of collection and curation. Subscribing to Apple Music had no effect on it. What it did do was make MY library and MY playlists, PLUS the entire Apple Music catalogue, available to me on all of my devices all of the time. It has made me love my music anew as well as enabled me to add new music to my library. And I don’t have to worry about external drives or storage capacity.
This is good information -- thanks! I am currently halfway through a year I prepaid for Spotify, but will give it a whirl down the road.
 
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Spotify doesn't win any UI awards, but I just gave Apple Music another chance and dang, what a distasteful piece of UI, I remember the first time you picked up an iPod it was a pleasure to use, elegant look and feel, simple, intuitive, consistent.

Apple Music is a blurry mess of frosted glass panels, slow animations, weird hidden UI, inconsistent margins, flimsy UI controls, weird ugly clipart icons. What a friggin mess. I miss the old AHIGs, when good interface design actually meant something.
 
This is a variation on the Apple Pay theme.

"Apple Pay is in what could be considered an attritional competition with non-consumption. There are no decisive battles won or lost, only the relentless pressure to make progress against a reluctance to change."

Replace Pay with Music and the same point applies. Apple is not competing with Spotify. They were competing with people that don't use a streaming service.

"This is the sort of conflict where a superpower wins and an asymmetric challenger falters. It’s resources and processes rather than enthusiasm that matter most."

Horace Dediu's article from 2017 applies to so many things in the world of tech precisely because bloggers and tech writers generally try to turn everything into a horse race. Whether we are talking about Pay, Music, or TV no decisive battles have been won, it's resources and processes rather than enthusiasm that matter most.
 
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I subscribed to Apple Music right when it was released, but after a couple of years of issues I sticked to Spotify even it's not available in my country legally.
The last straw was when I found out that half of the albums are missed from my Library. I tried to delete them and add them again, sign out/sign it and it didn't help. Every time I added a specific album to my Library, the half of it disappeared and it wasn't connected with the explicit content at all.

Same here. Except that everything disappeared (album/songs I 'downloaded' from Apple Music). Plus the worst thing I experienced with Apple Music was the skipping of songs (going through a 20-track album in 2 seconds) or the inability to play anything at all. Spotify has it quirks but I find it more reliable. And for discovering new music I still like YouTube best.
 
The fact that they have such a high subscriber count must have something to do with people only using it on their iPhone or iPad. I love it there too.

Cause when you use it on a desktop it is a horrible experience on Windows.

People claiming it is multiplatform are technically right but on some platforms it really is lackluster.

If only they finally make a webplayer like all the services out instead of keeping me to force that stupid iTunes program at work and while gaming.
 
Good to know they can't change their country from the US to something else without losing all their Apple Music collections.

Apple may have a very good service, but their region management is still far behind Spotify and Microsoft.
 
This is a variation on the Apple Pay theme.

"Apple Pay is in what could be considered an attritional competition with non-consumption. There are no decisive battles won or lost, only the relentless pressure to make progress against a reluctance to change."

Replace Pay with Music and the same point applies. Apple is not competing with Spotify. They were competing with people that don't use a streaming service.

"This is the sort of conflict where a superpower wins and an asymmetric challenger falters. It’s resources and processes rather than enthusiasm that matter most."

Horace Dediu's article from a couple of years ago applies to so many things in the world of tech precisely because bloggers and tech writers generally try to turn everything into a horse race. Whether we are talking about Pay, Music, or TV no decisive battles have been won, it's resources and processes rather than enthusiasm that matter most.

A very refreshing view. Do you have the link of the Horace article you’re referring to please?
 
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11. 3 device limit with Spotify vs. 10 device limit with Apple Music
12. 10,000 song library limit with Spotify vs. 100,000 with Apple Music
13. 3,333 song download limit per device with Spotity; no such limit with Apple Music
14. Spotify’s unsustainable business model as a stand-alone service.

I have found Spotify to be a very good service, however limitations #11-13 are particularly troubling.

This is what intrigues me most. They are coming up to their tenth year since launch and they still aren't profitable - how long can this continue for?!
 
I use both. AM family/iTunes Purchases plus Spotify Free on my PS4/Mac. I find Spotify easier to navigate and its weekly playlists help me find new music (or remind me of music i've forgotten). I then go onto AM and download it. Never been a fan of the AM interface but using AM keeps all my music together.
 
Apple Music has come a long way in the Dance /EDM genre recently, having signed a load of labels. Still a way to go though before it's completely up to the same standard as Spotify. The artists and DJ's are a lot more active on Spotify as well. If Apple are serious about this genre they really need to the remaining labels on board.
 
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