Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Purely subjective, though. And the more Siri gets used, the better it gets (supposedly). Machine learning is called "learning" for a reason.... it learns over time. So logic stands that this is a smart move, as it encourages more people to interact with Apple Music by voice thereby improving the overall service.
But it can only learn if you can correct it somehow, i.e. via typing, which this plan forbids.
 
They're probably trying to drive Siri usage, because the only way Siri gets better is by getting more data (ie: usage). And that sort of data is hard (impossible) to get in bulk.
True, but Siri can only get better if its mistakes get corrected, and with a "voice only" plan, there is no way to correct it, since you can't type in the title and artist you wanted. Unless they do make it that you can type, but only after you've attempted to Siri it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: miq
Not for me... but can't you turn on type-to-Siri in Accessibility? Anyone know if that's blocked with the $5 plan?
 
  • Like
Reactions: zapmymac
Some ask why, but I guess why not? It’s cheaper, and that alone may be enough for some people. I’m sure there are people who use voice assistants like Siri routinely, either as a novelty or function, or both. If you’re someone who just wants to play stuff and aren’t meticulous about your library, this is a cheap way to listen to just about anything at anytime, and it is probably minimal effort on Apple’s part to offer it.
 
Oh man. I'm not an Apple Music subscriber, but I do own lots of songs and manage them through the Music app. Already it's hit or miss whether Siri will tell me "I can't do that because you're not an Apple Music subscriber", even though I'm just asking to play something I own that's in the library on my phone.

This is probably going to make it pretty much impossible to use Siri for my music at all.
 
I guess if you're just a cheapskate you can do everything using type to siri
If suggestions are based purely on your music preference, then there's probably very little chance for the user to discover new music.

That's dumb.
This has been my problem for awhile with different music services, they'll give me the same 100 songs or so.
 
Poor strategic move. Siri has about 40% strike rate in getting songs right which is bad enough. Not having a way of choosing via Music will just result in a frustrated customer. On the hook, but then will leave never to return. Shame.

Agreed this is just bean-counters penny pinching for profits. I dislike this kind of move from Apple and I'll see this feature to be shipping junk!

This should've been free and incorporated. UNLESS Apple is trying to rid themselves of human currated playlists and DJ's they have in London, NYC and abroad.
 
Place your hand over the bottom of the phone and it should be quieter. I frequently do that in case the volume is up high when I'm laying in bed.
You can also tell Siri to respond silently via text by going into settings -> siri -> siri responses and switching spoken responses to "Only with 'hey siri'".

Then, trigger Siri by holding the power button instead of saying "hey siri" and the response is silent and you can read it on the screen.
 
  • Like
Reactions: zapmymac
They're probably trying to drive Siri usage, because the only way Siri gets better is by getting more data (ie: usage). And that sort of data is hard (impossible) to get in bulk.
Facebook is doing this by using their Viewpoints app. The app is where they have various tasks you can do for cash. Usually takes maybe 5 minutes for $5 and usually there are 2-4 parts (each paying that amount). In recent months they've had you say a number of phrases that involve names and commands. Clearly they're using the data to train their voice assistant. They've also had ones where you see a marketplace ad and then two photos and choose which one is the closest match, clearly training a visual AI to compare images. Seems a good way for them to get the data they need in bulk quickly.
 
I already have the family plan but something that comes to mind is Siri volume. If I am someplace I cannot interact with her loudly I might whisper a command but she replies at whatever volume my phone is at. Ha. I wish she could pick up on the volume at which I ask for something and reply with a similar level. Of course an off/on setting for those that dont want that.
We have several HomePods/HomePods Mini, and we can set the music volume separately from the command/voice volume.
 
True, but Siri can only get better if its mistakes get corrected, and with a "voice only" plan, there is no way to correct it, since you can't type in the title and artist you wanted. Unless they do make it that you can type, but only after you've attempted to Siri it.
Well there is that, but you also can learn from attempts at voice correction. I do that all the time with alexa - play "blah". "Play blah blah" "play blah blah blah." Lots of play commands in a row generally means a bad interpretation. At some point I just give up, but I'll try to get the thing I want two or three times.
 
  • Like
Reactions: sideshowuniqueuser
you can't possibly think you will have access to the entire Apple Music library with Siri alone. there's no way Siri will understand multiple languages (e.g. English, Korean, Japanese) at the same time to serve up the right content..
 
  • Like
Reactions: softtree and miq
So apple is charging people $4.99 to fuel Siri with additional data to learn.
Very smart I would say.
 
Purely subjective, though. And the more Siri gets used, the better it gets (supposedly). Machine learning is called "learning" for a reason.... it learns over time. So logic stands that this is a smart move, as it encourages more people to interact with Apple Music by voice thereby improving the overall service.
Yeah keep trying @coolfactor. Siri not only sucks it is suckier than it was 5 years ago. I actually have it turned off on two devices. Apple better be careful with this IMHO.

“We’re gonna force you to use an inferior technology in the hope it will get better somehow. Majically.”
 
  • Like
Reactions: Glacier1 and miq
Educating and providing curated selections of any art form educates and enlightens audiences. Forcing users to request only the artists who's names and titles they already know sounds like the absolute worst way provide access to any art or media. Users knowledge and understanding of music will drastically narrow the more they use this 'service'.
Selling selections of any inventory gets money from audiences. FTFY LOL
 
They're probably trying to drive Siri usage, because the only way Siri gets better is by getting more data (ie: usage). And that sort of data is hard (impossible) to get in bulk.
Lol
Siri has been around 11 years now, they've had all the time in the world to refine it. Siri is still just awful. Apple have basically abandoned it.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: zapmymac
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.