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Apple Must Compensate Brazilian Customer Over $1,000 for Selling iPhone Without a Charger, Judge Rules
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As we all nodded in agreement with this statement, we found ourselves looping back to the article itself.
The world is getting more insane every day. What is so freaking hard about buying a charger if you need one or just plugging the INCLUDED cable into any existing charger or compatible powered USB port to charge? The government should have NOTHING to do with such petty issues. smh The entitlement in society is out of control and sickening.
That's fair, I hope the law doesn't require them to bundle it in the same box, since then you have no way to even encourage people to opt out of receiving the charger. (Voluntary opt out for the same price to reduce e-waste)
Except it is not really more environmentally friendly, you need packaging and shipping for the charger separately, then in a country like brazil they will probably go on the cheap side and get a junk 3rd party charger. If the Junk charger does not break the phone, they will then have to buy buy an expensive OEM or a reputable third party charger, more shipping and even more packaging.
Sure I have many 1 watt USB A Apple chargers, but it is always good to have an extra one as they break, get lost or get stolen. Now that companies no longer provide chargers, I'm just buying more of them and avoid the cheap Chinese ones
My elderly in-laws bought their first iPhones in 2020 (actually first smartphones, period), the iPhone SE, and they were pretty floored and irritated when it didn't come with a way to charge it. I felt really bad for them as they had resisted getting something other than a flip phone for a long time, and when they finally couldn't avoid it any longer (since Verizon wouldn't even sell them a plan unless it was a smartphone), they had such a bad experience.
They went home with the phones and had no way of even charging the phones they just bought. The only charger they could find was a sketchy USB-A, and of course the iPhones both came with USB-C cables, something else they had never even seen before. Unlike the people who post on this blog, they don't have drawers full of tech junk to solve this problem.
Is it a problem that is easily and cheaply solved? Yes. Doesn't fix the bad customer experience that never should have happened in the first place.
They went home with the phones and had no way of even charging the phones they just bought. The only charger they could find was a sketchy USB-A, and of course the iPhones both came with USB-C cables, something else they had never even seen before. Unlike the people who post on this blog, they don't have drawers full of tech junk to solve this problem.
Is it a problem that is easily and cheaply solved? Yes. Doesn't fix the bad customer experience that never should have happened in the first place.
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Because chargers have been included with electronics since the dawn of electronics. It's an issue even if you think it isn't. This isn't people being insane. This is Apple changing something that's been a thing since literally electronics existed. The only reason Apple did this was for themselves. The cost savings was not passed onto the consumer. That is the issue. If they removed it and it saved anyone money, it would make sense. This isn't for the consumer. Or the environment. It's purely for profit. And I understand they're a business and need to make money, but consumers defending this when the consumer receives no benefit from this move is incredibly delusional and worrisome.
It has nothing to do with e-waste. If it did, Apple could have offered chargers free with iPhone purchase if opted-in during checkout, or even at a reduced cost, only while purchasing iPhone at the same time. They didn't, because it is 100% entirely about money, and not about e-waste.
That’s a bad analogy. Your example would work if Apple sold the phone without including electricity to charge it, which is obviously not included.
A better analogy is if car manufacturers sold cars without a requisite adapter to fuel or charge them at fuel/charge stations.
The entitlement is thinking others shouldn’t get a way to charge their devices. Next time you buy any electronic device I want you to return the cord and say “no thanks, I’m not entitled. I don’t deserve this cord.” Then go out and buy the cord to use the device.
Of course they did. That Apple is greedy AF doesn't detract from the fact that their decision to remove iPhone chargers significantly reduces emissions and electronic waste. Nor does it mean that consumers aren't getting exactly what they paid for.
Not as interesting as the mental gymnastics and endless replies you spew to avoid ever admitting when you're wrong on these forums. You said it cost Apple $1,000 and it was cheaper to pay the fine. I corrected you and said it's cost Apple $2,001,000 so far. Rather than just admit your mistake or simply ignore the correction here you are going down the rabbit hole again and misdirecting, claiming it would cost Apple hundreds of millions to hire people. Challenged on that now you're trying to pigenhole on an unimportant detail, anything to distract from being wrong about a simple dollar figure. Let it go bro.
You have no basis to claim that it reduces anything meaningful. You are just parroting typical enviro-nonsense. This idea of "anything done less is better" is not an argument.
Holy moly. The entire point made by the original commenter was that people use cars, have used cars for decades, without having a direct means of fueling it included in the original purchase. It’s actually a FANTASTIC analogy to use. Folks like you and that other rude person are being slanted by the fact that we’ve become accustomed to having chargers and plugs included in electronics purchases. And that’s understandable! It’s perfectly reasonable to believe they should be included. I, myself, lean toward that argument. BUT, the original commenter also made a perfectly reasonable argument that power SOURCES and ACCESSORY MEANS OF TRANSFER are not included in other device purchases. That other person can complain all day about the minute details of the analogy, but the fact remains that you can buy a car, and you are not provided the means of refueling it out of the box. That’s the point. But let’s keep swirling down the drain in attempts to “win”.
The only person who needs to save face here is yourself, you keep using idiotic analogies that are so easy to dismantle. Here, I'll explain it really simply to you because it keeps going over your head:
1. You can a buy a car, gas or electric, and you have everything you need from the initial purchase to refuel/charge it without any additional purchases.
2. You cannot buy an iPhone and recharge it without purchasing additional items.
Since these two statements are inherently different, no matter what car analogy you attempt, it has already failed. smfh this is so simple.
Simply incorrect. I've purchased many rechargeable devices that only include a charging cable. For example, a voice recorder or Bluetooth remote. If people want to whine and complain about it, then I'll roll my eyes and move on, but the government sticking its nose in this and forcing companies to include a charger or pay the entitled masses thousands of dollars IS insane. This is not what the government should be doing with its time and resources.
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I'm not saying it is about e-waste, but if we are concerned about it (as people) then it would be nice to have the option to opt out if we don't need a charger.
I was thinking about the new EU law requiring USB-C chargers, I think the spirit of the idea makes good sense but the implementation is flawed. The law should require all phone manufacturers to come together every 3-5 years and agree on a common charging port (perhaps voted on by all phone manufacturers and a super 66% super majority chooses the new standard?). This would allow rapid adoption of new charging standards while simultaneously reducing e-waste in the EU.
Exactly, I would say Apple getting rid of the charger adds even more e-waste and other waste. I have never thrown out an OEM charger, I have them all or they broke, lost or were stolen. I have thrown out many cheap Chinese chargers that were crap, without the charger more people will buy junk and e-waste will go up.
You also have to consider the packaging and shipping costs for all those third party or OEM chargers bought.
You have to keep buying gas over and over again to use the car. You don't need to keep buying a charger over and over again to use your phone.
Translation: I don't like this particular consumer protection law so it is government overreach /s
But you don't have to buy them... the means of transfer may not be included but they are not required to be purchased separately for operation.
Did you even read the thread title to understand where the $1000 came from? Or understand that apple has a legal budget of 1 billion. If you wouldn’t spew endless criticisms of apple I probably wouldn’t challenge with an alternative point of view.
If apple allowed some local legal staff to formulate policy without review and that bad judgement cost them $$$, my guess is things will change.
Carry on.
Wait, so you're saying Apple is refusing to sell chargers to certain people? Are other retailers such as Amazon refusing to sell chargers to them as well?
What the? You're not even trying to understand the point here. We're talking about people demanding that something be included with a product. If it's included, then fine and dandy. If not, tough luck. You're going to have to spend a few more shekels. Yes, know it's so tough being able to afford fancy electronic devices but not being able to afford a $10-$20 charger ?
I can believe that. When numbers reaches the brazilions, I'm thinking it's gonna a mind boggling.? How much is a brazillion??