Maybe some places but not where I live, when we purchased our appliances they all included the necessary plugs.
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Apple Must Compensate Brazilian Customer Over $1,000 for Selling iPhone Without a Charger, Judge Rules
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Well, it did, for Apple, they just didn't pass that on to the consumer.
They have a phone and cable too. But those are in the box. BTW you're still paying for that charger that you don't get.
If this is really the case, it doesn’t sound like it is working out for them and apple should figure out another way to understand laws abroad.
It is legal. I buy usb accessories without chargers. Toys or other merchandise without included batteries.
Many things work like this. Tesla doesn’t even throw in a 115 volt charging kit.
Not even close to reality.
Again. Bad example.
But you can purchase a charger ir take one from your drawer.
No, that’s the way the world is going.
Yeah, could have purchased An Amazon basics usb-c brick for $15.
i purchased a clothes washer. Did NOT come with a power cord. Had to add it to purchase it separately. Also had to purchase hoses for hot & cold water.
Businesses also have to follow the laws of the countries in which they operate, we can argue whether or not those laws are unjust or if they should be structured differently but that is a separate question. This isn't about not liking capitalism, its about companies being required to obey the law.
There is a definite tradeoff in consumer rights vs environmental impact here.
Suppose they are required to include chargers for those who want them (either in the box or standalone packaging). Then the only way to reduce environmental impact is to actively try to encourage people to check if they have an existing charger that might work before choosing to have an included charger. This is unlikely to lead to a dramatic reduction since people are bad at this kind of choice.
However on the other side of things I actually think the price shouldn't vary because for those who don't already have a compatible charger (anyone without a USB-C->charger) not including one is forcing an additional purchase - which should be illegal. I can see both sides and come more down on the consumer rights side but also think there should be some thought on how to encourage the most people possible to avoid opting for a free charger.
If you're in Brazil then I assume that these other companies either haven't had their decisions challenged and as such are getting away with illegal behaviour (based on this ruling) or they fall under a different legal statute that exempts them from following this law (perhaps there is nuance in the law not present in most mainstream reporting). If your not in Brazil this is irrelevant...
The cables produce significantly less waste, and often break; the charger pretty much never breaks. I won’t even address the ridiculous phone argument.
Yup in this case it would be selling the car without tires, since you already have tires from you old car(phone). When one thinkings about it just becomes more absurd. This is cost saving move by the company and clearly the saving are not passed on to the consumer.
I didn't pass judgment on Apple, I simply described what they did.
There is nothing wrong with charging customers more money. Eventually charging customers more causes the business to lose customers and make less. That's how the free market works. Accounting for inflation United flights cost the same as in 1990 despite being nearly 50% more fuel-efficient. So consumers are paying the same amount but arriving with fewer guitars.
I’m not talking about the law, I’m talking about the idea behind it. It’s ridiculous to think that every electronic device ever sold for the rest of time MUST include a charger, just so a tiny fraction of users can save $20.
Because you don't understand it. You are paying for a charger that you're not getting. Mental gymnastics at its best.
You're right, Apple should have followed the law. They should have pulled the iPhone from the Brazilian market until they could get the law changed. Ditto with France and the earbuds fiasco.
Also an inane comparison. Tires are expensive and swapping them is both difficult and expensive; chargers are cheap, the vast majority of people already have one (probably multiple), and most are interchangeable.
Plus, as others have said, it’s widely known that iPhones (and now many other phones) don’t include chargers, so buying an iPhone and suing because it doesn’t have a charger is a bit rich. Just as buying a car that clearly doesn’t have tires and suing over it would be.
Lol yeah I don’t understand your argument, sophisticated as it is. ?
And you aren’t “paying for a charger that you’re not getting” if you know your aren’t getting a charger and buy the product anyway.
The car tire analogy works great for this situation.
Existing chargers might work, but new iPhones are designed for higher watt bricks. Just like how using the tires from your old car might work if you are driving really slow.
That certainly is a possibility, but why are you so sure? Prices for many parts have increased substantially over the past few years. Inflation has increased prices. Are you so sure that Apple is now actually making more money from an iPhone SE sale? Could be. Could also be less.
Also, come on, comparing nominal prices when we all know there is inflation just doesn't make any sense. Things nominally get more expensive over the years, that's just a given for everything.
Lets assume for the moment that this is a strategy they employ everyone, suddenly states (in the US) that pass right-to-repair legislation are pulled out of? Pulling out of all markets that have laws that they disagree with would lead them operating no where, what is the threshold for pull out? To me this looks like Apple posturing to force laws upon people, especially since they operate in far worse places (in terms of moral positions).
Ok, so do the car manufacturers provide the gas pump, the means of transmitting the energy source?
I get both sides of this, but if you’re gonna try to own someone, make sure your own is solid lol
For a new phone without a charger one is not getting less. In fact apple held the price of the current models and the difference came from the charger. There is no less in this instance.