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At one point, it seemed plausible that Brazil would have forced Apple to include a charger in the box for every ‌iPhone‌ sold in the country. Procon-SP said that the charger is an "essential part" of the smartphone experience.

Really?!?! Rubbish!!!!

Dang! Does this mean that I can sue an auto manufacturer for not supplying me with gas for the life of my car? After all, gas is an essential part of the car experience.
No, but it means you could sue the auto manufacturer for not supplying you with wheels;)
 
I bought an iPad Pro and Apple Pencil in February and they were wrapped in plastic. And as far as I know all MacBook boxes are also wrapped in plastic as are the chargers included with devices. So what devices do they not wrap in plastic then?
My new MBP's box wasn't wrapped in plastic, neither were the accessories I bought then.
 
You do business in a country then you must follow that country's laws. Apple thinks they are above the petty laws of some third world country. Arguing that the law is stupid is not persuasive to the people who enforce the law.
 
Will likely be buying Watch and iPad in near future — and will to buy USB-C chargers for them. That’s a nuisance; plus, for a long time, Apple buried the need for a charger in fine print or put it on a separate accessory page without clearly specifying that buying a new USB-C one was REQUIRED.

Having extra chargers is gravy — we have them parked in different rooms, by the couch, by the bed, in the dining room, etc. Incredibly convenient. And, they don't end up in the landfill, either.

Apple is all hat and no cattle on its claim that removing them helps the environment.

I'd be more sympathetic if they had offered a $30 price reduction or CREDIT on all its devices. That would have been a much better approach! Especially if the credit could have been applied immediately with the order either for a charger or a lower price. Those who don't want a charger could save $30. Those who do, get one.

Would like to how much revenue the chargers have brought in over the past 5 years… probably not a biggie, but it is another revenue stream or trickle! ?
 
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Given how the price didn't go down when they stopped including the charger, one can easily assume that putting it back in shouldn't raise the price any. Apple lost the argument when they didn't lower the cost any.
The price of new tech in new phones is more expensive than old tech in new phones.Apple would be within their rights to raise the price. It’s true apple saves money over hundreds of millions of iPhones by eliminating manufacturing and packing costs, reduced greenhouse gases etc. New iPhones cost more to manufacture.
 
Cool!

If Apple donated the profits they made from unbundling the chargers and upselling people on boxed chargers to environmental causes and organizations, I’d believe them,
Of course they won’t, so it’s just a sad excuse for a money grab…
 
Just ridiculous. I cannot fathom how anyone can reasonably make the argument that every device manufacturer has to include a charger in the box for every device they sell forever.
Well you need to be able to charge it up for it to function!
If this was really an 'environmental' decision, Apple would have made the handset available with and without the charger at different price points, allowing those with chargers already to purchase it for a slightly cheaper price, but they didn't. Apple's environmental credentials are poor at best. Purposely making many of their items unrepairable/upgradable to shorten their life span, so it's completely hypocritical to then claim that requiring a charger for your phone is bad for the environment. All it really means is those that need one have to pay extra for it and Apple are always happy to sell you one!
 
I'm still a bit peeved that they didn't include a charger.
I had a ton of the USB-A chargers, but no USB-C chargers when I bought my last iPhone.
So yeah... it sucks that I have to go and buy one.
Apple certainly didn't lower the price of the phone once they started removing things like headphones and chargers.
Why would you need a USB-C charger if you already have a ton of USB-A chargers? All you need is a USB-A to Lightning cable, which are as common as mud, and you're done.

The connector that matters for an iPhone is the Lightning connector, it's not actually using the USB-C protocols, all the charger is doing is providing power to the power pins of the Lightning connector. It isn't running the USB-C PD protocols, so you don't actually need a USB-C charger, any dumb charger that can provide the Lightning connector will do the job.
 
Why so defensive? You keep moving goalposts as people dismantle every claim you make.
What you fail to understand, this is unfortunate to the world at large. This is a big thing that can have some impact. It’s to bad some of the posts are petty minded and demonstrates some can’t see the first from the trees.
 
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Well you need to be able to charge it up for it to function!
If this was really an 'environmental' decision, Apple would have made the handset available with and without the charger at different price points, allowing those with chargers already to purchase it for a slightly cheaper price,
The entire point is to manufacture one physical sku. Having some percentage of iPhones with chargers in the box defeats the purpose. Now what apple will do in Brazil is yet to be seen.
but they didn't. Apple's environmental credentials are poor at best.
Apple’s environment credentials are pretty good.
Purposely making many of their items unrepairable/upgradable to shorten their life span,
No they manufacture their devices to look good, hold up under abuse and keep ticking.
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so it's completely hypocritical to then claim that requiring a charger for your phone is bad for the environment.
No it’s not.
All it really means is those that need one have to pay extra for it and Apple are always happy to sell you one!
That’s the point. Apple did its research. Of course people could vote with their $$$ and send apple a message.
 
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$1075???? Am I understanding this correctly? Brazilians are pretty much getting their entire iPhone purchase refunded over the charger?
No - that's Brazilian money, not dollars. It's equivalent to about 75 cents.
 
Just ridiculous. I cannot fathom how anyone can reasonably make the argument that every device manufacturer has to include a charger in the box for every device they sell forever.
That’s how laws work. They are made but rarely rationally repealed so here we are.
 
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Good. Hit them so it hurts. I’m a fan and shareholder, but Apple is really only caring about profits nowadays. Now, force them to let their users like to use their devices without silly restrictions that they enforce as they please via their appstore.
 
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without clearly specifying that buying a new USB-C one was REQUIRED.
A new charger is not at all required. It is required only if you intend to use the included USB-C to Lightning cable. All current iPhones charge just fine using a USB-A to lightning cable and USB-A power adaptor - both of which you would have if you owned any prior iPhone.
 
My new MBP's box wasn't wrapped in plastic, neither were the accessories I bought then.

Watching You Tube videos show the new M1 MB Pro machine boxes are wrapped in plastic still. Apple still use plastic to wrap the computer boxes. They still have a long long way to go before they can claim any high stance in the use of plastics.

And it adds credence to the idea they don't include a charger in the boxes of new iPhones for the environment as hypocritical.
 
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„Apple claims the move is for environmental reasons, claiming the decision is equivalent to removing nearly 450,000 cars from the road per year.“

And releasing a new iPhone only every other year would be equivalent to removing nearly how many cars from the road every year??
 
A new charger is not at all required. It is required only if you intend to use the included USB-C to Lightning cable. All current iPhones charge just fine using a USB-A to lightning cable and USB-A power adaptor - both of which you would have if you owned any prior iPhone.
Note that you had to qualify that with “if you have owned any prior iPhone” which for any new user will not have. (children and teenagers getting their first phone, android switchers)
 
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Note that you had to qualify that with “if you have owned any prior iPhone” which for any new user will not have. (children and teenagers getting their first phone, android switchers)
Also people who sell or give away their old phone with the required charger and cable that came with it so the new owner can use it without buying more stuff.
 
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What you fail to understand, this is unfortunate to the world at large. This is a big thing that can have some impact. It’s to bad some of the posts are petty minded and demonstrates some can’t see the first from the trees.
Yeah, a big $6.5B impact because the costs were NOT passed to customers like you keep lying about.
 
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