apple NEED to give us something big now or risk loosing it all

[LiveForever]

All this Palm Pre stuff shows you that how quickly things can change.

Apple have to react in a big way now. They can't go on in this almost condescending manner of drip feeding features like they are giving a few crumbs out to a starving man.

I don't think just increasing the MP on the camera or a memory upgrade is going to cut it now (What I think they were planning for the next iphone).

Why not listen to people and give them what they want. Yes the iphone is a gorgeous brilliant revolutionary gadget but apple have been so arrogant with this "we know best" attitude. No you can't have voice turn by turn GPS (why not even a cheap Nokia has it-what makes apple so special?) a decent camera, a front camera for video calls, copy and paste, more than 9 pages of crappy fart apps, more than one fart app running at a time, an office suite.

Maybe they do know best but I hope they really give us something to be excited about with the next iphone. The mobile phone market is so fickle. One days fashion is tomorrows "oh dear what were we thinking wearing that"

 

[synagence]

Well .. given they just signed a deal with LG for their OLED screens for iPhone, they bought a stake in the manufacture of the new PowerVR chip and they also bought a specialist design company for low-power chips then i'd say iPhone 3.0 could deliver something special.

Apple have publically stated the iPhone as a gaming platform therefore they will most likely go with the most CPU power they can without killing battery life...

They have to open up A2DP soon and deliver a Turn-by-Turn GPS ... these are all features being delivered on the Storm and Pre so its become mainstream..

Don't worry ... competition is good and will force apple to stay ahead of the game

 

[Warbrain]

Why not listen to people and give them what they want. Yes the iphone is a gorgeous brilliant revolutionary gadget but apple have been so arrogant with this "we know best" attitude. No you can't have voice turn by turn GPS (why not even a cheap Nokia has it-what makes apple so special?) a decent camera, a front camera for video calls, copy and paste, more than 9 pages of crappy fart apps, more than one fart app running at a time, an office suite.

Turn-by-turn GPS: sure, include it, but most people won't use it.

Decent camera: I don't know what you're hoping for but I know that for most people the iPhone camera is useable. It is for me. Yea, it could be better and will most likely be bumped in spec but I'd be fine with it the way it is.

Front camera: it'll never be added in the United States and that's why it'll never be on the iPhone.

Copy and paste: I don't miss it.

More than 9 pages: I doubt there are a lot of people pushing it. If so, they need to check and see what apps they really need.

Background processes: Not a big deal to me but sure, add it. Kill my battery life.

Office suite: That's not their problem. Blackberry doesn't have one they made on their own - it's included but developed by Dataviz. And it's, for the most part, read-only. Apple doesn't need to create one.

 

[ppc750fx]

You know what's funny?

When people on random forums make sweeping statements like " ______ must immediately do _______ or they'll lose out to _________".

The Pre isn't the first phone to offer third party applications. It's not the first one with an application store. It's another iPhone competitor, but it's not really all that revolutionary.

Pretty much everything you're saying was said about the G1. All sorts of pundits on various forums and blogs talked about how "Apple needs to give us something big now or risk losing it all"... but as we know, the iPhone continued to sell quite well even after the G1 was released.

There's way too little info available on the Pre to make any sort of serious assessment of how it will fare against the iPhone. We don't even know what this magical "WebOS" API can provide yet -- claiming that Apple's close to "losing it all" is just plain funny.

 

[LiveForever]

Yes my post was provocative and I am THE biggest apple fan boy out there. I haven't even seen the pre thing, I am too scared to watch it as judging by all this reaction, it must be something.

But apple are in danger of being seen as the bad guys here, for stifiling development and these other companies will exploit it to the full and turn people away from apple.

Apple NEED to react now. This year is crucial. It could be make or break,

The thing is apple has ALWAYS run it's own race and ignored everyone else so i don't really know if it knows how to react. They will be resolutely following their road map (which palm obviously knows all about!). I just don't want to see all this great work undone.

 

[IgnatiusTheKing]

Every smart phone that comes along is an "iPhone killer" just like every music player that comes along is an "iPod killer". Yet somehow Apple manages to keep selling the things...

 

[Bingbonghoho]

We all need voice activated GPS!!!!
Flash player
Copy and paste
Hotmail etc. All software related issues, nothing to do with new hardware!!!!
If the geniuses can just work on keeping this phone up to date, that would be Amazing!!!

 

[BigHungry04]

But every iPhone killer that has come along has been a piece of poop. I used to work for Sprint and when they announced their latest "iPhone killer," the Samsung Instinct, I wasn't impressed. In fact once I got a hold of one and had to troubleshoot all the issues with it, that phone is probably the worst phone I have ever seen. I have yet to use an iPhone, but my blackberry's internet connection broke yesterday and after a ton of troubleshooting last night, it is still not up, I was going to get the Blackberry Bold, but it is more expensive than the iPhone and the data plans are the same, so I'm getting the iPhone today on my way home.

 

[IgnatiusTheKing]

Hotmail?

 

[Tallest Skil]

Hotmail?

Side note: This has been done as of about yesterday, so those who still rely on Microsoft for their mail can have it on their iPhone for free.

 

[Indy21]

While I do not think this is the downfall of the iphone anytime soon I do believe that 2009 is the year we really start to see other handsets catching up and I'm not just speaking of the new Palm.

Yes competition is very good and I hope Apple does do something spectacular around June.

 

[barkomatic]

Yes my post was provocative and I am THE biggest apple fan boy out there. I haven't even seen the pre thing, I am too scared to watch it as judging by all this reaction, it must be something.

But apple are in danger of being seen as the bad guys here, for stifiling development and these other companies will exploit it to the full and turn people away from apple.

Apple NEED to react now. This year is crucial. It could be make or break,

Doesn't really stress me out. If Apple decides to drag their feet like they have a tendency to do I'll just buy something else when the time comes. easy. Apple is already behind the curve on its computers again, after pulling ahead for a few years. I don't get it but whatever--they are still amazingly successful and I don't think that's gonna change soon.

 

[ppc750fx]

But apple are in danger of being seen as the bad guys here, for stifiling development and these other companies will exploit it to the full and turn people away from apple.

Spoken like someone who's never developed mobile apps before.

The iPhone SDK blows everything else out of water (with the possible exception of the Android SDK). All the developers I've spoken with have had a similar opinion.

Yes, the approval process is a bit unconventional, but it's nowhere near as bad as the blogger peanut gallery would have you believe. You hear about the weird rejections *because* they're weird, not because Apple makes it a regular process to refuse all applications for trivial reasons.

As for other companies "exploiting" this... please. Most other mobile platforms also require code signing and/or approval (yup -- again, ignore the peanut gallery: it's a common practice.) The Pre is being pitched as having a low barrier to entry for development (thus the HTML/CSS/JS app stack). My bet is when (not if... when) they allow native code they'll add more restrictions. Of course that's just speculation, as actual details on the device are still scarce.

 

[svndmvn]

Right now I'm happy with my iPhone(3g), when I'll need something different I'll search, in the mean time I read and see what competition has to offer only because I'm curious, a bit tech savvy, I guess. I don't see why so many people have to be worried or excited about anything "new", be it the G1, Storm or Pre'. If you already have the iPhone it probably already suits your needs and it's almost definite as of now no competitor can offer something that has all the iPhone has and more. If you don't and the iPhone doesn't really do it for you, you better look elsewhere, am I really mistaking here?

 

[TheSpaz]

Just to chime in... The fart app joke is getting annoying now.

1. I fail to understand why the fart apps are even popular
2. I fail to understand why there are like 50 of them
3. Nobody's making you buy/install these apps
4. I'm sick of the fart apps too. They're immature and they FLOOD the AppStore.

Between fart apps, games, countdowns, and calculators on the App Store, it's easy to see how the iPhone is becoming a joke. I refused to install any stupid fart sounds on my iPhone... I'm better than that.

 

[plumbingandtech]

All this Palm Pre stuff shows you that how quickly things can change.

Apple have to react in a big way now. They can't go on in this almost condescending manner of drip feeding features like they are giving a few crumbs out to a starving man.

I don't think just increasing the MP on the camera or a memory upgrade is going to cut it now (What I think they were planning for the next iphone).

Why not listen to people and give them what they want. Yes the iphone is a gorgeous brilliant revolutionary gadget but apple have been so arrogant with this "we know best" attitude. No you can't have voice turn by turn GPS (why not even a cheap Nokia has it-what makes apple so special?) a decent camera, a front camera for video calls, copy and paste, more than 9 pages of crappy fart apps, more than one fart app running at a time, an office suite.

Maybe they do know best but I hope they really give us something to be excited about with the next iphone. The mobile phone market is so fickle. One days fashion is tomorrows "oh dear what were we thinking wearing that"

Yes. Unless apple changes their entire SDK from a real SDK to a javascript based html OS SDK then the iPhone is DOOOOOOOOMED.

 

[Warbrain]

Yes. Unless apple changes their entire SDK from a real SDK to a javascript based html OS SDK then the iPhone is DOOOOOOOOMED.

Unless Apple completely removes the SDK and makes everyone develop web apps again they're screwed.

 

[Delta608]

All this Palm Pre stuff shows you that how quickly things can change.

Apple have to react in a big way now. They can't go on in this almost condescending manner of drip feeding features like they are giving a few crumbs out to a starving man.

I don't think just increasing the MP on the camera or a memory upgrade is going to cut it now (What I think they were planning for the next iphone).

Why not listen to people and give them what they want. Yes the iphone is a gorgeous brilliant revolutionary gadget but apple have been so arrogant with this "we know best" attitude. No you can't have voice turn by turn GPS (why not even a cheap Nokia has it-what makes apple so special?) a decent camera, a front camera for video calls, copy and paste, more than 9 pages of crappy fart apps, more than one fart app running at a time, an office suite.

Maybe they do know best but I hope they really give us something to be excited about with the next iphone. The mobile phone market is so fickle. One days fashion is tomorrows "oh dear what were we thinking wearing that"

Nothing fickle about the mobile phone market at all. When push comes to shove its still just a phone....Perhaps you need a MacBook..

 

[kdarling]

The iPhone SDK blows everything else out of water (with the possible exception of the Android SDK). All the developers I've spoken with have had a similar opinion.

Curious. How so? Do you mean in API or IDE or ? Thx!

For instance, I haven't found anything super special about its IDE over Visual Studio or Eclipse or the latest J2ME WTK or others that I use.

Yes, the approval process is a bit unconventional, but it's nowhere near as bad as the blogger peanut gallery would have you believe.

I see a lot of developers who are aggravated simply because their apps seem to fall into a black hole for a while. Meaning weeks without any info. Perhaps that's changing?

As for other companies "exploiting" this... please. Most other mobile platforms also require code signing and/or approval (yup -- again, ignore the peanut gallery: it's a common practice.)

Code-signing, yes. Approval, no.

Btw, it only costs $20 for a Blackberry signing cert, for instance... which is good forever.

 

[GoCubsGo]

Apple will not lose anything if they do not deliver on the iPhone's features. We are all very free to move to another handset if we so choose and if we're willing to pay the ETF, we can also move to verizon or some other carrier.

Seriously, Apple doesn't give two ***** about what we want. Complain with your wallet. I'm an iPhone owner and quite frankly, if something comes out that surpasses my iPhone experience then I wouldn't mind switching.

 

[ksmith80209]

Really? How are you enjoying your Palm Pre? Is it everything you expected? I'm curious - does it do a good job of handling your email? I mean - better than the iPhone, that is. What? No answer?

Oh, that's right - the Pre is a PROTOTYPE. No one has one yet. I'm not going to dump my iPhone based on a cool presentation of a demo phone to be launched at a later date. Call me when Palm actually has them for sale...

 

[istinkles]

Just to chime in... The fart app joke is getting annoying now.

1. I fail to understand why the fart apps are even popular
2. I fail to understand why there are like 50 of them
3. Nobody's making you buy/install these apps
4. I'm sick of the fart apps too. They're immature and they FLOOD the AppStore.

Between fart apps, games, countdowns, and calculators on the App Store, it's easy to see how the iPhone is becoming a joke. I refused to install any stupid fart sounds on my iPhone... I'm better than that.

I very much agree with you that there are way too many fart apps. but plenty of people like countdowns, calculators, and especially games. Even if people don't like those, there are still plenty of great apps, that keep the iPhone from being called a joke.

 

[numbersyx]

Really? How are you enjoying your Palm Pre? Is it everything you expected? I'm curious - does it do a good job of handling your email? I mean - better than the iPhone, that is. What? No answer?

Oh, that's right - the Pre is a PROTOTYPE. No one has one yet. I'm not going to dump my iPhone based on a cool presentation of a demo phone to be launched at a later date. Call me when Palm actually has them for sale...

Yep, way too early to be "scared" of any iPhone competitors (although why one would be "scared" is beyone me). The time to analyse the Palm Pre is when its out there being used and tested by users/magazines/experts and commented on and not when a promo release by the makers hits a trade show!!!

 

[megapopular]

Just to chime in... The fart app joke is getting annoying now.

1. I fail to understand why the fart apps are even popular
2. I fail to understand why there are like 50 of them
3. Nobody's making you buy/install these apps
4. I'm sick of the fart apps too. They're immature and they FLOOD the AppStore.

Between fart apps, games, countdowns, and calculators on the App Store, it's easy to see how the iPhone is becoming a joke. I refused to install any stupid fart sounds on my iPhone... I'm better than that.

Watch some TV once in a while... somebody passing gas seems to be hilarious! That's part of the "American" culture! I don't have any of them but hey, the iPhone is popular, right? People want to make iPhone "killers" to get some of their revenue. iFart Mobile wouldn't be allowed in the App Store at first and made news because they were blocked. People clamor for what they're not allowed to have, so once it became available, people flocked to it... it hit top 10 status near holiday time and people historically buy lots of what first meets their eye... fart jokes in any shape or form have been annoying before they were apps. I've been tired of the fart jokes on TV and what-not. Not sure why you posted that in this thread, I'd think you were better than that.

Just kidding, I don't think you're better at much of anything, lol! Apple tends to have a far reaching outlook on their product. They have a niche with the iPhone, one that won't be easily eroded by Palm Pre. With IPhone Nano rumors swirling, and whatever else may be coupled in the 3.0 firmware upgrade and or new iPhone hardware will have more than 50% (in my opinion) of current owners clamoring to get the new hardware. It'll have a bump in storage, I'd assume, plus refined speaker volume, etc. We'll hopefully be surprised with push notification, copy and paste, A2DP and MMS! I personally am fine without all of those.
Palm Pre also has to deal with being on the Sprint network for the time being. They're not the top player and won't be any time soon. Verizon Wireless may be getting an iPhone if the contract with AT&T truly expires this year as has been hinted at. (we don't really know how long it runs for) AND, a $99 iPhone in any form would stretch the lead that they're enjoying. Apple will keep doing what it's been doing which is innovating, stretching their lead and making lots of money!

 

[plumbingandtech]

Unless Apple completely removes the SDK and makes everyone develop web apps again they're screwed.

Desktop (Oh wait! PREE!) Widgets 4evar!

(and who cares if Palm is hemoraging money and sprint is circling the drain apple NEED GIV SOMETHING US NOWWWWW!)