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apple NEED to give us something big now or risk loosing it all
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That assumes, of course, that every iPhone owner is an Apple loyalist.
The majority (I read 75% somewhere) of EDGE iPhone buyers were Apple fans.
For 3G phones, sold to more people around the world, it's likely to be a lot less.
Just something to factor in.
On a network that sucks and a company that could go under at any moment? I highly doubt it.
Rubinstein states iPhone OSX too slow...
Well according to this article, Rubinstein states that iPhone OS is simply too slow to run several apps at a time.
Now this is coming directly from Rubenstein. If true, then our iPhone will never be able to do what the Palm Pre can do when it ships. Thats pretty pathetic.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/178536/page/1
"It's much slower; Rubinstein and his team say that's because the OS X code is not lean enough to run swiftly on a mobile device's relatively tiny processor and small memory footprint. And you can only do one thing at a time."
Well according to this article, Rubinstein states that iPhone OS is simply too slow to run several apps at a time.
Now this is coming directly from Rubenstein. If true, then our iPhone will never be able to do what the Palm Pre can do when it ships. Thats pretty pathetic.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/178536/page/1
"It's much slower; Rubinstein and his team say that's because the OS X code is not lean enough to run swiftly on a mobile device's relatively tiny processor and small memory footprint. And you can only do one thing at a time."
It is pathetic that a 7 month old phone is slower than one not even out yet?
No, what is pathetic is you saying that that is pathetic.
For your next trick, could you compare apples to orangutans?
My guess is the next iPhone which will more than likely come out this year, same as the Pre, will have a better processor and be just as fast or faster than the Pre.
Your not reading it right. According to Rubinstein the flaw or bottleneck is the iPhone OS. it's simply not capable as a mobile operating system to do what the Pre is capable of.
Speak for yourself....it's pretty clear you will defend apple to the death :-\ They are far from perfect.
Yeah, that post was a bit over-the-top. I can just see Steve Jobs saying those things at a meeting and all his yes-men nodding away...
Nevertheless, I really don't think Apple has to change anything. Especially, as long as we have people like the above. Apple is ceratinly not going to come out with a reactionary product - that's more MS's style. The iPhone will be just fine. Look at the computers - they're lacking in their own ways, but people still buy them up anyways.
The iPhone OS is based on nearly the same OS architecture that runs an 8-core xServe. One thing really different is the current iPhone hardware memory limitations, both bandwidth, size and swap, which limits the threading that can be done. And the UI, where Apple wants to keep things simple so that the foremost (only) app can run at its best performance. That's going to change given a turn or two of Moore's law and some new silicon. Note that Apple has invested heavily in chip designers and companies for some future silicon IP (maybe next year).
Whereas a multitasking Javascript interpreter can pretend to easily and quickly switch contexts, but that's only because all the JS apps were slowed down to interpreted JS speed in the first place.
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Well put. That is by far the best (and sanest) explanation of the situation that I've read.
As far as Rubenstein: he's about 50% full of it. Yes, the reason that Apple hasn't endorsed multi-tasking is due to performance limitations of the current system -- but it's not because OS X doesn't scale down as well as the Pre's OS. Rather it's that OS X doesn't scale down quite as well to the level of hardware found in the iPhone, which is hardware from c. 2006. The Pre is designed with hardware from 2007/2008, which is, as you would expect, considerably more advanced.
The way Rubenstein phrased it it sounded like Apple made a bad design decision by using OS X as a base for the iPhone, when in reality it's just that the current system was designed with the limitations of 2-3 year old hardware in mind.
wow - that guy has a chip on his shoulder. its my understanding (perhaps i'm wrong) but the pre is running small widgets - and i'm sure they can run thousands of them at the same time because there so small. unlike what his article said i can talk on my iphone and check email's and calendar at the same time. the one thing the iphone does badly is save web pages that i've looked at - when you go to another app then back to the web browser it has to re-build the page - annoying.
Jeez. Another "Apple is going to go out of business" prediction. What's it been...25 years since the first time someone made that statement?
Go ahead and buy the Pre. Don't feel bad. Apple's marketing department has already taken your defection into account in their product development.
In the meantime, Apple will be fine. If their sales of any particular product take a hit, they'll do something differently.
When Apple hire you in an advisory capacity of some sort, then maybe people will take this kind of crap seriously. As it stands, the company is in very good health, despite macroeconomic circumstances, and their method of PR isn't going to affect that.
Yea.
It CURRENTLY isn't.
So, let's say, the next iPhone has a processor TWICE as fast as the current.
What would Rubinstein say then?
Again, why are you comparing a phone not even out yet with one 7 months old?
Stupid, unfair waste of time comparison, PERIOD.
What, wait until it has multiple cores, just so it can do what other devices can do today? Sounds like the old Microsoft philosophy: hope for faster, bigger hardware to make up for software bloat. Inelegant, but it mostly works
Anyone who argues that a future set of hardware will run correctly, has instantly claimed that the current design is lacking.
Rubenstein is right: the iPhone hardware has plenty of oomph to multitask and look good doing so... if it wasn't basically using OS code written for a 800MHz desktop and hobbled by lack of RAM to do so gracefully.
A nonsensical statement as put. It's the OS that multitasks, not the interpreter. And the speed comment is backwards... you'd want a fast interpreter to make task switching look seamless.
Pre has Flash!
Well according to Trusted Reviews. If true, thats killer.
Trusted Reviews
"The browser? Another shock. Being based on webkit just like Mobile Safari it renders full pages beautifully and quickly yet also supports Flash without much slowdown (just how good must that new TI OMAP 3430 CPU be?) and the mercilessly copied pinch and double tap navigation gestures are arguably more responsive than on the iPhone. In addition, despite its smaller screen size, the manner in which the browser operates mostly without messy URL and status bars means it feels equally large as Apple's handset."
Well according to Trusted Reviews. If true, thats killer.
Trusted Reviews
"The browser? Another shock. Being based on webkit just like Mobile Safari it renders full pages beautifully and quickly yet also supports Flash without much slowdown (just how good must that new TI OMAP 3430 CPU be?) and the mercilessly copied pinch and double tap navigation gestures are arguably more responsive than on the iPhone. In addition, despite its smaller screen size, the manner in which the browser operates mostly without messy URL and status bars means it feels equally large as Apple's handset."
Seeing as the Pre will be released in the "1st half of 2009", I don't see it being as big as everyone thinks. I say that because, by the time it actually comes out, Apple will soon release the newest iPhone, which will at worst match the pre in its ability. Also, once the pre is announced, all the media will just forget it and be like, "What will Apple's new iPhone bring? Will it beat the Pre?", which will basically take all the thunder from Palm. Also, as I'm sure many have said already..... Sprint?!??! The dying brand.... 'nough said.
That's a killer review all around. It's critical for the Pre to at *least* match the iPhone in terms of touch/browser responsiveness. Flash would of course be an awesome bonus, especially if it supports hulu.I also agree it needs to come out ASAP and without bugs to head off the next version iPhone. There's so much hype now, but it's the kind that could easily turn against the Pre if it's buggy/overpriced/too delayed.
Agreed. Responsiveness is the key word for the iPhone. That's why Apple removes so much other functionality and includes sleight-of-hand tricks to make it look snappy.
(For example, apps don't really start up immediately. What you see for a few seconds is a static picture stored inside the app itself. This makes the iPhone look quicker than other phones, when actually it's the same speed or less sometimes. Very clever, really.)
Mildly disagree. People have put up with a lot of bugs on the iPhone. We still do, with Safari crashing. You just have to make it look like it didn't crash
Again, an Apple trick is to never give an error message, but to simply crash "nicely" back to the Home page. While confusing and annoying at times, it allowed the user to quickly get started again. More than anything else, this feature (and the related hardware Home button to kill off apps) has saved the iPhone's butt.
If they pretend it didn't crash, then it gets mostly overlooked. It's the iPhone's mini version of the Reality Distortion Field.
Its not complicated to add a video camera, mms and copy and paste, the most basic of phone functions.
Heh...."It never happened and it will never happen again"....right out of the old Soviet Union playbook. What's with the title tho? Losing it all what? Last time I looked Apple had like 25 billion sitting around in cash, could the title reek of (gasp) HYPERBOLE? On THIS site? Perish the thought, right?!?