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I hope it's clear the profound difference between skipping and fast forwarding.

Profound? That's a bit much. More convenient and elegant, yes. But FF is hardly manual labor compared to skipping. Personally I prefer FF b/c sometimes there is a promo or ad that piques my interest.
 
This is where the loss of Jobs really hurts

As the head of Pixar and not just Apple, Steve Jobs was seen by the entertainment/content industry as one of them. That is my opinion is one reason why Jobs was so successful negotiating concessions for services such as iTunes that previously no other service could achieve.

Tim Cook as only the head of Apple is not a part of the entertainment/content industry. He is to them the enemy.
 
Can't be any worse than the cable companies.

You really think it's the cable companies driving up the programming costs? Yeah, that's exactly how the networks like it. The networks constantly try to drive up subscriber fees for content...and bundle channels into tiers so you can get 6 channels you probably won't watch to pay for the one that you do. When ESPN/ABC comes back for an extra 30% each contract negotiation to pay for the obscene sports right fees...that goes straight to your bill. But when it goes up, everybody blames the cable company...not ESPN/HBO, etc.

(Now I will say they have a nice racket going with equipment rentals - but that's a different story altogether.)
 
I agree with some of the posts here.What I can't is some type of a la carte cable service. My TV is 10 years old and I've been holding out for the rumored iTV, but can't wait any longer. If I do see concrete evidence by Thanksgiving, I'll be looking at the Samsung and Sony TV's for Christmas.
 
You really think it's the cable companies driving up the programming costs? Yeah, that's exactly how the networks like it. The networks constantly try to drive up subscriber fees for content...and bundle channels into tiers so you can get 6 channels you probably won't watch to pay for the one that you do. When ESPN/ABC comes back for an extra 30% each contract negotiation to pay for the obscene sports right fees...that goes straight to your bill. But when it goes up, everybody blames the cable company...not ESPN/HBO, etc.

(Now I will say they have a nice racket going with equipment rentals - but that's a different story altogether.)

I realize the high cost is because of the sports channels. That's why I got rid of my cable company. I was paying them astronomical fees to subsidize ESPN and HBO etc. and the only thing I ever watched was History/Discovery. I understand that. But the cable companies were still the ones taking my money.
 
You really think it's the cable companies driving up the programming costs? Yeah, that's exactly how the networks like it. The networks constantly try to drive up subscriber fees for content...and bundle channels into tiers so you can get 6 channels you probably won't watch to pay for the one that you do. When ESPN/ABC comes back for an extra 30% each contract negotiation to pay for the obscene sports right fees...that goes straight to your bill. But when it goes up, everybody blames the cable company...not ESPN/HBO, etc.

(Now I will say they have a nice racket going with equipment rentals - but that's a different story altogether.)

That is completely incorrect. ESPN is quite hated in the 'community' for its overpricing and other crap business garbage. Also, the biggest cable companies have merged with the biggest networks, they are the same companies, now.
 
What part of "Nothing is Free" don't people get? Skipping commercials means fewer sales for advertisers. Fewer sales for advertisers means they start spending less on ads. Spending less on ads means less money for producing content. It's called a feedback loop, a downward spiral. Without ads content producers must charge more for their product to providers and subscription prices go up more than they already are. Paying to skip ads is one possibility but the bottom line still remains. We, the consumers, are going to pay one way or the other.

So rant all you want to about skipping ads, about the price of cable, satellite, and any other service provider. You will pay more for your favorite show. You are not getting away with anything, no matter what you think.

Most people nowadays DVR their shows, and FF through all the ads for free. But advertisers still pay for the ad. Are u saying that even this will hurt us in the end?
 
*The typical US TV hour is 30% ad time (!!!).*

For those who traditionalists (Mad Men of macrumors) who think that everything revolves around advertising, I've got some news for you. Not always, and not often. Marketing exists to sell products that can't sell themselves. Sure, products need publicity or an occasional 30-second "awareness" spot. But current trends in marketing are just deplorable, and not only do people want to skip them, but marketing is a major expense to companies. The pharmaceutical industry is just one example (glorified drug dealers?). And do those ads work? Have you decided Verizon had convinced you to get a DROID?

The fact that Apple--probably the company best positioned to take on this archaic cable TV design--should be good news to all. I'd like to also mention that in many countries outside the US, if you have cable you don't usually have ads. If you do, they're max 1 minute or so.

Look at Hulu!

Let Microsoft TV have all the ads. Let Google TV have banner ads...whatever! The typical US TV hour is 30% ad time (!!!).
 
The thing I can't get over is that the cable companies own the "pipes"

Eventually if everyone cancelled service and just kept broadband, I wonder what would happen to the prices?

Distribution is always the key to any business
 
Unless Apple are prepared to buy into the content companies this "grand vision" is going nowhere. Even the cable companies know that which is why they've being buying the content makers over the past few years.

Apple should buy Disney (which owns ABC TV and ESPN) then go buy local networks around the world like ITV in the UK.

Alternatively they should set up their own sports channel and simply go buy the sports broadcast rights around the world. Live sports is the only reason most people have cable TV. You can get the same movies and good tv shows on iTunes anyway so live sports is the key that unlocks the cable monopoly.

So you're suggesting that Apple break up the cable "monopoly" by creating their own monopoly? Brilliant.
 
How exactly "live" TV and Ad skipping can work together? Does it mean that if I say start watching "Two & Half Men" at 9:00pm and pay for skipping I finish watching at 9:20pm before the live broadcast of this show actually ends? Interesting concept ;)
 
IMO, I rather have a channel as an app on my ATV and pay an in-app premium to have commercial free viewing. I'm not sure what they would do with that extra 5-10 minutes though.

I would rather subscribe to my favorite shows as separate "channels" than bother remembering which channel number, station, or network they happen to air on. Who cares if its ABC, CBS, NBC, WB, Fox, etc.? I just want to watch my show. Instead of an icon that said "CBS", it would just be "TBBT," and you could just buy, stream, download, delete, and re-download them at will.

I would buy some TV through iTunes if it were more affordable.

Right now, I just watch whatever is on Netflix and download the occasional "FREE" pilot episode of new series from itunes to see if they might be interesting.

I would watch more Hulu, but they only support flash (which doesn't work on iPad) and I'm not paying for their Hulu+ service if they continue to show commercials. (do they show commercials on the Apple TV also?)
 
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Awesome idea! If this caught on as a new model for financing tv programming, the quality of shows could get a real boost. It's just too difficult to make quality shows when they have to time all the acts around long commercial breaks.
 
Why pay for something I can get for free on cable
.Still going to need cable when Apple launches their Apple TV until all or most of the programing that I get on cable is available on Apple TV .
 
What part of "Nothing is Free" don't people get? Skipping commercials means fewer sales for advertisers. Fewer sales for advertisers means they start spending less on ads. Spending less on ads means less money for producing content. It's called a feedback loop, a downward spiral. Without ads content producers must charge more for their product to providers and subscription prices go up more than they already are. Paying to skip ads is one possibility but the bottom line still remains. We, the consumers, are going to pay one way or the other.

So rant all you want to about skipping ads, about the price of cable, satellite, and any other service provider. You will pay more for your favorite show. You are not getting away with anything, no matter what you think.

So if consumers stop watching commercials, why would anyone buy commercials? And if no one is buying commercials, doesn't that mean I do not pay for the cost of advertising when I buy a product? Doesn't the producer of the product have an incentive to pass the savings on to me?

Can't I use the money I don't spend on being advertised at to pay not to be advertised at? Then my time wouldn't be wasted with advertising right?

Isn't that the part of the feedback loop you left out?
 
There are plenty of browsers available that allow you to watch/use flash websites on iPad/iPhone. I use Puffin, and Hulu is just fine on my iPad.

<<<I would watch more Hulu, but they only support flash (which doesn't work on iPad) and I'm not paying for their Hulu+ service if they continue to show commercials. (do they show commercials on the Apple TV also?)[/QUOTE]
 
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... and I know for a fact that people will downvote it.

You can't downvote stuff anymore.

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I want to be able to bulk the ads into one bulk of continuous ads for 1 hour and get 3 hours of no commercials.

So do I, but that's because I'd be playing SSBM on my TV's RCA input during that 1 hour :D

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I don't think the user would be charged for skipping, if I understand right. It sounds like Apple is attempting to lure the individual networks (by essentially paying them for something lots of people will do lots of times) in to their service to create a sort of an a la carte channel system that would be like hulu meets live TV.

If I don't understand it right, then I would be much more enticed to buy into the service if it was as I just described.

"Viewers could potentially pay Apple to skip commercials on a per show or per channel basis". Of course, this is a "potentially" true statement, but I think it will actually be this way. Someone has to pay for this, and Apple probably isn't going to pay the cable providers for all those users.

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So you're suggesting that Apple break up the cable "monopoly" by creating their own monopoly? Brilliant.

Haha, true.

That's pretty much how it would be, but at least Apple would give us the Apple TV instead of a really crappy box. I hate FiOS's cable box; ours broke 3 or 4 times I think. It self-destructs if you use it with a non-HDCP-compliant TV too many times and has this ridiculous requirement where you NEED to use the FiOS router someone on your LAN for it to work at all!
 
The thing I can't get over is that the cable companies own the "pipes"

Eventually if everyone cancelled service and just kept broadband, I wonder what would happen to the prices?

Distribution is always the key to any business

I've been without cable in the past and am right now because the box is broken. Antenna TV is fine if you can get good reception.
 
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