Yes. In a coarse and simplistic sense. But to imply there cannot be more fine-grained changes is simply wrong.
To imply that forcing a change to one of the most used functions of a device is fine grained is simply wrong. 🙄
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To imply that forcing a change to one of the most used functions of a device is fine grained is simply wrong. 🙄
It failed on windows as I do not believe Apple ever put the resources in to keep it up to date and let it lag. They could have done it but choose to the min. Releases it then do nothing. Compare that to Firefox back then that kept pushing forward. Safari had tabs and extensions and soon Firefox had both but Firefox kept adding more stuff Apple added little.
Apple just has failed to upkeep. Apple I fear has really been resting on the iPhone and letting its software lag. If anything opening up iOS will force Apple to improve their services as they have to deal with real competition.
All that work earned Firefox 3.36% of the browser market...
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They don’t test on safari. Never really did. Big reason huge pain in the rear and the developer tooling in the browser suck.
Plus if they are on windows well no way to really test. Most of the time in development they set flags to make their browser appear as mobile and go with that. Generally mobile chrome and that is it. Big reason is the tools built in to chrome are pretty nice.
The tools built in for Firefox are really nice as well.
The real one worried about falling is Firefox as if that goes down safari is in trouble. What is keep safari in good shape is chromium is based on WebKit from its original fork. Sadly the only non WebKit based browser is Firefox and its gecko engine
Chrome is the de facto standard browser on desktops with over 60% market share and I never had a problem using Safari on macOS
All that work earned Firefox 3.36% of the browser market...
Browser Market Share Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats
This graph shows the market share of browsers worldwide based on over 5 billion monthly page views.
Firefox I think made it to 25-30% at its peak before chrome took off. I started using Firefox back in is 0.9 days and i used it for a while but did switch to chrome but chrome really took off. There is no denying that google worked hard to improve chrome and more to it they just can dwarf Mozilla in the amount of resources they could throw at it.
Are we—whoever "we" is—concerned about Chromium (the free open source codebase under Chrome, Brave, Edge, Opera, et al) becoming essentially a "monopoly" for web access? Or Chrome (Google's web browser)?
The first seems much less concerning than the second.
NOTE: I'd feel even less concerned if Google were to create a separate Chromium Foundation or some such thing to ensure its longevity and independence. 🤷♂️
The first seems much less concerning than the second.
NOTE: I'd feel even less concerned if Google were to create a separate Chromium Foundation or some such thing to ensure its longevity and independence. 🤷♂️
First, it’s not the EU’s fault Chromium took over the global internet. Why didn’t US government bodies step in? Google, an American company, now controls almost all access to the internet.
second, Google has to play by the same rules as Apple in the EU. They have the same playbook now.
third, I am a Safari user, always and everywhere, because I don’t trust Google. but it’s not like Apple is doing a great job with Safari. Webkit is slow to adapt new technologies (if they ever) and the Safari interface is bloated as hell with profiles, tab groups, extensions in all kinds of confusing locations, feature disparity between their platforms, …
Its bookmark syncing is also frustratingly buggy. 😡
Sounds like the hellscape that is Mac OS where users can install apps that Apple hasn’t blessed (and doesn’t get a 30% cut) /s
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Eu don’t hate monopolies, they just like competition as an incentive.
If safari loses then that’s the market working.
If they don’t hate monopolies, then why all the talk of Apple being a monopoly?
And competition doesn’t need mandates to force crap that the majority of users don't want, as evidenced by the minuscule amount of users who use these things on the other platform that allows it. The EU isn’t bringing us competition. They forced something on us because they felt like pushing people around. And in doing so…have a direct hand in allowing a significant monopoly to form. You can say “competition” all you want, but do you really want a world where Google is completely dominant for web browsing and there’s nothing else? Because that’s what the ********* in the EU just made possible. Period.
This isn’t about competition. This is about the EU wanting to be the boss and thinking they know best. They’re a government. They DON’T know best. Instead, they’re doing what governments do…ruin things.
I'd love to see storage provider opened up. I self host with nextcloud and would be so nice to just be able to pick it instead of iCloud. Or allow dropbox or other storag providers. Apple charges an absolutely ridiculous amount for storage.
It is different Apple is more abusing it position and power more so than Google.
People saying this is handing Google the web. I ask you why is safari only hanging on if Apple forces it to be used and not on its own merits. That is an example. Apple has not tried to make safari better to get more users.
It more about using the position squeeze out competitors. Apple is using its position with the iPhone to control browsers , stream services, subscriptions services. Remember Apple own service don’t pay the fees.
You got it all wrong. Finally, after 15 years of suffering, iPhone users will be able to see all websites correctly by using Chrome.
So in reality, does this mean anything for the end user?
I use safari, brave (blink/chrome), and firefox. All website render 99.9% similar.
The good part is where other browsers have other capabilities like extensions
I use safari, brave (blink/chrome), and firefox. All website render 99.9% similar.
The good part is where other browsers have other capabilities like extensions
You are assuming that the limitations of older iPhones not being able to render newer websites is due to Safari or Safari alone.
What happens when it’s the processor’s or RAM issue… not being able to run those “new” web technologies and/or unoptimized ”new” websites by companies doing the less amount of work to have their websites work on different browsers? No amount of different browsers can help you with that in the long run.
Websites with newer tech can and SHOULD create alternative versions for browsers that do not work with them in the first place…ie text-to-speech support of blind users, etc.
Yes, because you are not a website developer and have no clue to what
- headaches Apple is causing for web development
- you are possibly missing out on websites because web development is held back by Safari.
No one forces you to install something else but Safari.
I will kick this **** browser the minute I can and go with Firefox.
EU have never called Apple a monopoly. They said Apple prevents the proper function of the market
I don’t want chrome to dominate, but I also don’t want a world with safari as my only choice because apple can’t compete