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If you have iOS 8, you can upgrade to iOS 9 just fine.
I think any iOS device running iOS 8 can be upgraded to iOS 9. People are sometimes really ignorant. iOS 9 is in my opinion a much better version of iOS 8 in every aspect.
 
I didn't get it because of their EULA. Other sites / platforms (public forums etc) it might not matter that much but for the nature of this, the inherent privacy and content I think it's totally unacceptable.

They are the same terms every cloud service uses. They can't provide any service to you if you don't give them the legal rights to move your content around.
 
Fail, Requires iOS 9. Apple, not all of us have the luxury to go out and buy a new computer just so we can run iOS 9. Staying on iOS8
I'd be very interested to know which 'computer' you are running iOS 8 on, and how you got it working there!

If you are unwilling or unable to update your iOS device (or, computer) to the latest software, then surely the 'Fail' is with you, and not Apple or the app's developers?
 
They are the same terms every cloud service uses. They can't provide any service to you if you don't give them the legal rights to move your content around.

Not really. There are cloud service providers that through the EULA give themselves direct access to your data. Unfortunately that is the majority. Customer data and information represents a huge value and the exploitation of it is part of their business model.

Then there are a few, who don't include the exploitation of customer data and information as part of their business model. Instead they try to make sure they don't have access to their customers data and try to limit the exposure of customer information as much as possible.

A good rule is to always read the EULA before signing up to use any OS, App or service that is connected to the Internet.
 
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Not really. There are cloud service providers that through the EULA give themselves direct access to your data. Unfortunately that is the majority. Customer data and information represents a huge value and the exploitation of it is part of their business model.

Then there are a few, who don't include the exploitation of customer data and information as part of their business model. Instead they try to make sure they don't have access to their customers data and try to limit the exposure of customer information as much as possible.

A good rule is to always read the EULA before signing up to use any OS, App or service that is connected to the Internet.

I understand this product allows you to publish your notes. How are they supposed to provide that service without the license to copy, modify etc. and to sub license those rights to their infrastructure providers? If you don't license your content to them they'll be infringing your copyright.
 
I understand this product allows you to publish your notes. How are they supposed to provide that service without the license to copy, modify etc. and to sub license those rights to their infrastructure providers? If you don't license your content to them they'll be infringing your copyright.

That is true. Trying to make the point that users need to educate themselves and understand the consequences of using different types of services. What happens practically is that access is given for one purpose (a service a user like) but will also be used for e.g. data mining, sharing with "partners" and selling to ad companies.
 
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Agreed. What are your thoughts on using the Apple Notes app as a diary? Not as tailored for the job as Day One, but notes can be stored in folders (different diaries), can include pictures, can be locked by password/Touch ID, and can even include sketches, which I suppose would have to be imported into Day One. Possibly more secure/private as well?
Yes, the new Notes app uses true end-to-end encryption for locked notes. Just don't lose the password since there is no way to recover your notes without it.
 
That is true. Trying to make the point that users need to educate themselves and understand the consequences of using different types of services. What happens practically is that access is given for one purpose (a service a user like) but will also be used for e.g. data mining, sharing with "partners" and selling to ad companies.

That isn't true. 'License' is not the same as 'access'. A license granted expressly for one purpose isn't valid for any other. Read the terms again. It says the license is only provided for the purpose of providing services to 'you and other users'. That excludes all this business of sharing with partners for unknown purposes. They are claiming the right to sub license, but they need that, unless they have their own datacentres.

Also the license is 'subject to any applicable account settings you select'. Which means if you set something as private then you may legally assume your content is private.

On other words, this looks like exactly the kind of license they need to do the service they're selling, which is often the case when you look into these frequent T&C panics.
 
$4.99 in the US. Just checked.

UPDATE: I re-read the directions. It is free in the Apple Store App, not the App Store App. All good.
 
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On other words, this looks like exactly the kind of license they need to do the service they're selling, which is often the case when you look into these frequent T&C panics.
Sorry friend, it goes way beyond that. The way the legal document is written, you agree to them doing basically whatever they want to do with "your content". You enter an agreement with "The Company, Its Affiliates Or Agents" which basically can be anything.

Your Content: The Company does not claim ownership of Your Content. However, when you as a User post or publish Your Content on or in the Company Properties, you represent that you own and/or have the rights to grant the license below in Section 5.5 for Your Content.

License to Your Content: Subject to any applicable account settings that you select, you grant the Company a fully paid, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right (including any moral rights) and license to use, license, distribute, reproduce, modify, adapt, publicly perform, and publicly display, Your Content (in whole or in part) and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media or technology now known or later developed, for the purposes of operating and providing the Company Properties to you and to our other Users. Before that scares you off, keep reading. We know these rights seem broad, but we are trying to cover all of the use cases for Your Content in one sentence – otherwise, this Agreement would be even longer. Don’t worry – this does not mean that all Content you provide us will be made publicly available. We will use Your Content in accordance with the settings in which you submitted such Content, as detailed under our Privacy Policy . To be clear, if Your Content is a journal entry or page, the default is private to you.

If you set en entry to Private, they cannot publish that information publicly under the agreement, but they can for sure use it for commercial purposes if they like and since they do business they likely do.

You also give them the right to browse, delete or do whatever they like with your private information.

Anyone agreeing to the terms is the http://dayoneapp.com/terms-of-use/ and http://dayoneapp.com/privacy-policy/ and using that service for personal private data and information is AFAIK completely out of their mind.

This is a typical social media
service legal document and is written 100% one sided for the company to exploit the user.

You may be fine with that. I'm for sure not.
 
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I'd be very interested to know which 'computer' you are running iOS 8 on, and how you got it working there!

If you are unwilling or unable to update your iOS device (or, computer) to the latest software, then surely the 'Fail' is with you, and not Apple or the app's developers?

iOS 9 REQUIRES iTunes 12, Apple REQUIRES me to buy a new computer to run iTunes 12. Fail.
 
There are other diary apps out there.

I've been using one since 2011 which syncs reliably with iCloud, and is available for the Mac as well as iOS. Nice, clean interface, cheap to buy and doesn't involve selling one's soul to the developer.
 
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Sorry friend, it goes way beyond that. The way the legal document is written, you agree to them doing basically whatever they want to do with "your content". You enter an agreement with "The Company, Its Affiliates Or Agents" which basically can be anything.



If you set en entry to Private, they cannot publish that information publicly under the agreement, but they can for sure use it for commercial purposes if they like and since they do business they likely do.

You also give them the right to browse, delete or do whatever they like with your private information.

Anyone agreeing to the terms is the http://dayoneapp.com/terms-of-use/ and http://dayoneapp.com/privacy-policy/ and using that service for personal private data and information is AFAIK completely out of their mind.

This is a typical social media
service legal document and is written 100% one sided for the company to exploit the user.

You may be fine with that. I'm for sure not.

I don't use it. For all I know it could be sending all your most intimate thoughts direct to Abu at Islamic State. We probably agree about the safety of such services, I'm really just responding to what seems to be the usual hysteria which happens when somebody bothers to read the T&Cs and Tweets it to people who never read these things and don't know what they're looking at.

We've seen some nonsense posted, about them 'owning' what you post etc. It's not true, the T&Cs are pretty average, maybe even better than average. In a few years when everything is super encrypted maybe we'll expect subtle differences, but all that stuff about storing, distributing, sub licensing, modifying has to be there. They can't even legally run a daily back-up without a bunch of rights from you.
 
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We probably agree about the safety of such services, I'm really just responding to what seems to be the usual hysteria which happens when somebody bothers to read the T&Cs and Tweets it to people who never read these things and don't know what they're looking at..

Fair enough, I think we agree on the basics. I'd also like to offer that the hysteria is not on the side of the people concerned about privacy issues, the hysteria is on the side of commercial companies that use and abuse private data and information of users with respect similar to that given to animals groomed for a slaughterhouse.

In the information age personal data and information is the gold, it's what everyone is after, from the psycho intelligence agencies to the greedy business people.

It's your and mine private information, on a practical and philosophical level it's not different from us, it's us and we still own us. Although our governments and businesses do their best to reduce us to nothing more than production units without any other rights than to shut up and be good cogs in their crazy machine of dominance and control.

Many of the social media services are created, designed and operated for the sole purpose of harvesting personal and private data and information.

That's why what Apple is doing is revolutionary and deserves all support and respect.

Have a good and private easter holiday. And don't let them crucify your privacy.
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There are other diary apps out there.

I've been using one since 2011 which syncs reliably with iCloud, and is available for the Mac as well as iOS. Nice, clean interface, cheap to buy and doesn't involve selling one's soul to the developer.

Mr Frost, do you mind to share which one you use? Myself I use iOS/OS X Notes for this purpose, mostly to record my dreams.
 
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