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Can someone tell me how Apple’s retail stores achieve such? Some of them are located in malls which I don’t think Apple clan control where the power comes from. Do they simply produce more energy than they are using and then use that as a means to claim that they are 100% renewable?

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong here, but Yes. They buy or make sure they produce enough renewable energy to cover their usage. What comes out of the sockets in the retail stores might be coal, there is just no way to control that. Unless you connect the store directly to a wind farm, but that doesn’t work when the wind is not blowing.. you get the idea.
 
Someone can correct me if I’m wrong here, but Yes. They buy or make sure they produce enough renewable energy to cover their usage. What comes out of the sockets in the retail stores might be coal, there is just no way to control that. Unless you connect the store directly to a wind farm, but that doesn’t work when the wind is not blowing.. you get the idea.

I wonder about this too because I know Google claims to be carbon neutral https://static.googleusercontent.co...ving-100-renewable-energy-purchasing-goal.pdf https://interestingengineering.com/google-to-go-carbon-neutral-by-2017 because of their purchasing but I don't think they produce more than they use like Apple claims. Very interesting.
 
Can someone tell me how Apple’s retail stores achieve such? Some of them are located in malls which I don’t think Apple clan control where the power comes from. Do they simply produce more energy than they are using and then use that as a means to claim that they are 100% renewable?

I believe in NY they choose a power supplier that has renewable sources? I have that option with the Electric Service on my home. It's the most expensive supplier option. :apple:
 
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Wow, it must have been difficult to make this happen at the retail stores.

Sadly, it’s not a literal “powering” by renewable energy, it’s just that Apple pays an energy supplier who contributes 100% renewable energy to the grid. Same as with consumers; in almost every case, you’re still getting dirty energy. It all come from the same pipes/lines (unless you have your own solar panels or a wind farm!)

They are, AFAIK, powering their new Cheerio facility with 100% renewable energy, literally.
 
I believe in NY they choose a power supplier that has renewable sources? I have that option with the Electric Service on my home. It's the most expensive supplier option. :apple:

Yeah, here in the California high desert, all of our electricity comes 50% from solar usage - just recently. We can opt for a higher cost for more "solar" -- definitely the most expensive but probably helps Socal Edison offset the cost of solar. My electric bill is so small because my wife and I are never home and we use a swamp cooler in summer so... I see $40-$60/mo max even with the higher solar option.
 
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I wonder about this too because I know Google claims to be carbon neutral https://static.googleusercontent.co...ving-100-renewable-energy-purchasing-goal.pdf https://interestingengineering.com/google-to-go-carbon-neutral-by-2017 because of their purchasing but I don't think they produce more than they use like Apple claims. Very interesting.
I don’t think you can ever truly be “carbon neutral.” The attempt and intent is nice, but I’m not sure planting trees to offset your factory output truly negates the damage to the environment.
 
I don’t think you can ever truly be “carbon neutral.” The attempt and intent is nice, but I’m not sure planting trees to offset your factory output truly negates the damage to the environment.

As nice as the thought/action is (glad there is effort), I have to agree.
 
Ah, “off sets.” Like planting a tree if you use too much fossil fuel? I see.

Its a it more complicated. The electricity in the grid is of course from mixed sources. However, you can choose whom you buy it from — and this will change the balance of suppliers over time. So if more people pay renewable energy suppliers, the traditional simply go out of business until all of the grid is needed by the renewable energy.
 
Its a it more complicated. The electricity in the grid is of course from mixed sources. However, you can choose whom you buy it from — and this will change the balance of suppliers over time. So if more people pay renewable energy suppliers, the traditional simply go out of business until all of the grid is needed by the renewable energy.
So the status is partly determined by vendor?
 
Ah, “off sets.” Like planting a tree if you use too much fossil fuel? I see.
No, not at all.

All electricity sources; wind, solar, hydro, gas, coal, nuclear; they all feed into the same national grid. There's no way around it. When you purchase green energy, you essentially shift the ratio of the supply that is going into the grid. Less coal being burned, more renewables being utilized.
 
No, not at all.

All electricity sources; wind, solar, hydro, gas, coal, nuclear; they all feed into the same national grid. There's no way around it. When you purchase green energy, you essentially shift the ratio of the supply that is going into the grid. Less coal being burned, more renewables being utilized.
So “green energy” as sold by a vendor or supplier.
 
I don’t think you can ever truly be “carbon neutral.” The attempt and intent is nice, but I’m not sure planting trees to offset your factory output truly negates the damage to the environment.

The idea is to keep the carbon emissions constant, which can to a large degree be achieved with the current system, even if its far from perfect. Of course, what we really need is industry that doesn't produce emissions in the first place, but its simply not realistic with modern technology unless we want to go back to pre-industrial lifestyles. Like when you'd have to spend the entire day foraging in the dirt just to barely get enough food not to die of hunger...
 
Yeah, here in the California high desert, all of our electricity comes 50% from solar usage - just recently. We can opt for a higher cost for more "solar" -- definitely the most expensive but probably helps Socal Edison offset the cost of solar. My electric bill is so small because my wife and I are never home and we use a swamp cooler in summer so... I see $40-$60/mo max with the higher solar option.

Yes. My brother lives in Green Valley. Has a Chevy Bolt with a special meter and charging unit in his garage. His wife has a Volt. The 240 hook up was like $4,000. He receives credits on the metered power for the Bolt. Apple most likely simply calculates the amount of renewable power it pumps into the grids, then subtracts it's use. If it's less then they claim all renewable? I might inquire with my local brick and mortar to see how their electric billing is done. I can find out. The option I have does not list specific renewable suppliers. Only that it's renewable. Apple does not have a separate billing system set up with local utilities that I'm aware of. :apple:
 
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Very good to know!

What is with the "exclusively by us" news broadcast type self promotion!
 
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