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Apple Now Powered by 100 Percent Renewable Energy Worldwide

tito2020 said:
how do we know its true?
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I wonder where their power comes from at night? The article doesn't say. I wonder too whether they have offloaded materials and products that are produced with nonrenewable energy to other companies, meaning they really aren't as "green" as they claim to be. Most glass and aluminum production is produced with non renewable energy. Most plastics are produced from oil as well.
 
my wife and I were considering replacing the roof with a solar paneling. It takes something like 30 years to pay for itself. The efficient and cost savings are just not there. I have to imagine Apple is losing a lot of money by moving in this direction.
 
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leman said:
The idea is to keep the carbon emissions constant, which can to a large degree be achieved with the current system, even if its far from perfect. Of course, what we really need is industry that doesn't produce emissions in the first place, but its simply not realistic with modern technology unless we want to go back to pre-industrial lifestyles. Like when you'd have to spend the entire day foraging in the dirt just to barely get enough food not to die of hunger...
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My boss has installed a massive PV ground mounted system by his house and lets me have access to the website that shows output and can easily get 64kWh output on a good sunny day. I imagine a lot of that is getting pushed back into the grid and being used by his neighbors quite a bit. (91.5MWh lifetime (October 2013)).
 
Now I get it. We have thin underperforming hardware so Apple can brag about how energy efficient they are. Cool, as long as you don't need to do anything important and computationally expensive.
 
Glockworkorange said:
So the status is partly determined by vendor?
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Its fully determined by the vendor... in the end, you either produce the energy yourself, bu running your own machinery (be it solar or whatever), or you connect to the grid and pay someone to produce the energy for you. For instance, I live in a building complex owned by a group of non-profit organisations, we produce about 20% electricity needed by ourselves (solar) and buy the remaining 80% from wind and solar energy supplied by a local utility company.
 
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ajfahey said:
I wonder where their power comes from at night? The article doesn't say. I wonder too whether they have offloaded materials and products that are produced with nonrenewable energy to other companies, meaning they really aren't as "green" as they claim to be. Most glass and aluminum production is produced with non renewable energy. Most plastics are produced from oil as well.
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I think with a deep investigation you’ll fine that a good deal of the claims are perhaps a little exaggerated.
 
goobot said:
Can someone tell me how Apple’s retail stores achieve such? Some of them are located in malls which I don’t think Apple clan control where the power comes from. Do they simply produce more energy than they are using and then use that as a means to claim that they are 100% renewable?
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I was thinking the same thing. I think you are correct in that they produce more than they consume ( or at least as much). Not that literally every electron they consume was actually produced by renewable. Regardless, this is an impressive feat.
 
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sunapple said:
Impressive. Besides climate change, using renewable energy also has its economical advantages and it sure makes the company look good. Hope this inspires many others, whatever their motives may be (I’m personally rooting for the planet).
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What economical advantages does it have? The majority of the time it's still going to be cheaper to use 'dirty' energy.

If it was economically advantageous to use clean energy then all companies would be trying to use it asap

Also... how are all apple stores powered with clean energy? Most of them are in shopping malls or central locations with no place for any solar panels. So I don't understand how their power consumption isn't coming from the grid
 
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davie18 said:
What economical advantages does it have? The majority of the time it's still going to be cheaper to use 'dirty' energy.

If it was economically advantageous to use clean energy then all companies would be trying to use it asap

Also... how are all apple stores powered with clean energy? Most of them are in shopping malls or central locations with no place for any solar panels. So I don't understand how their power consumption isn't coming from the grid
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They plant trees to offset the stores in the mall. Duh!
 
davie18 said:
What economical advantages does it have? The majority of the time it's still going to be cheaper to use 'dirty' energy.

If it was economically advantageous to use clean energy then all companies would be trying to use it asap

Also... how are all apple stores powered with clean energy? Most of them are in shopping malls or central locations with no place for any solar panels. So I don't understand how their power consumption isn't coming from the grid
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Glockworkorange said:
They plant trees to offset the stores in the mall. Duh!
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexep...ples-100-renewable-energy-usage/#20b22958189c

Interesting article from Forbes that kinda addresses this - back in the day (2016).
 
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Kiwe said:
Someone can correct me if I’m wrong here, but Yes. They buy or make sure they produce enough renewable energy to cover their usage. What comes out of the sockets in the retail stores might be coal, there is just no way to control that. Unless you connect the store directly to a wind farm, but that doesn’t work when the wind is not blowing.. you get the idea.
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Oh how it amuses me that there are still those within the general public who still don't know how wind energy works. Isn't this like 5th grade education material by now?
 
davie18 said:
What economical advantages does it have? The majority of the time it's still going to be cheaper to use 'dirty' energy.

If it was economically advantageous to use clean energy then all companies would be trying to use it asap

Also... how are all apple stores powered with clean energy? Most of them are in shopping malls or central locations with no place for any solar panels. So I don't understand how their power consumption isn't coming from the grid
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Power from the grid isn't necessarily dirty.
 
ajfahey said:
I wonder where their power comes from at night? The article doesn't say. I wonder too whether they have offloaded materials and products that are produced with nonrenewable energy to other companies, meaning they really aren't as "green" as they claim to be. Most glass and aluminum production is produced with non renewable energy. Most plastics are produced from oil as well.
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They store the power in batteries.

Or was that a joke question?
 
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davie18 said:
Well yes it is unless the grid is 100% green powered. You can't pick and choose where the power from the grid is generated.
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Well, yes and no.
Of course you as a single consumer can't control the grid, but you can control who produces the electricity you personally consume.

A 100% clean grid is nothing that can be achieved by flipping a switch. It will come gradually and faster than many people imagine. In a lot of areas in the world renewables are already cheaper than fossil or nuclear. Prices for solar and wind are shrinking fast, and it will replace the dirty stuff eventually. There's a lot that needs to be done still, but it's a fairly simple engineering task and no rocket science. (in contrast to e.g. nuclear fusion, which is literally rocket science and pretty far away still)
 
How do they power Apple stores with renewable energy? Aren't the Apple stores in New York for example, running on the public electrical grid from Con-Ed? Or do they have their own source somehow? Or are the stores equipped with solar roofs or something somewhere? Batteries shipped in every night that are charged somewhere else?

How does it work!?
 
Impressive, well done! Samsung please copy that too.
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goobot said:
Can someone tell me how Apple’s retail stores achieve such? Some of them are located in malls which I don’t think Apple clan control where the power comes from. Do they simply produce more energy than they are using and then use that as a means to claim that they are 100% renewable?
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At least in Italy Apple Stores in malls have solar panel on the roof, as far I know Apple ask for this when planning a store.
 
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