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The US is a long way from competing, globally, in this space. And before others take that personally, I’m simply saying we (the US) have done virtually nothing to create a foundation (education, training, financial support, regulatory, etc.) that would support a workforce capable of competing with the likes of India - let alone China. And I just don’t see that changing much in my lifetime. I could be wrong.
 
The US is a long way from competing, globally, in this space. And before others take that personally, I’m simply saying we (the US) have done virtually nothing to create a foundation (education, training, financial support, regulatory, etc.) that would support a workforce capable of competing with the likes of India - let alone China. And I just don’t see that changing much in my lifetime. I could be wrong.
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China doesn't have a more educated population... They do have a lot more currency manipulation and predatory subsidization that's been used to lure manufacturing into China.
 
Taiwan/Singapore/Vietnam/S.Korea/Japan are also all viable for future Apple manufacturing plants.
Taiwan/Singapore/S.Korea/Japan: Probably not major assembler/plant due to country and population size, but more focused on high tech chip fabrications, and they actually are. :D Btw, Foxconn is Taiwanese company.

Vietnam: Yes, this is another emerging market. Samsung already have two factories there. And I believe Foxconn has a factory there as well.

I wish Indonesia can become one. Samsung and the Chinese OEMs do have assembling plant here already.
 
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China doesn't have a more educated population... They do have a lot more currency manipulation and predatory subsidization that's been used to lure manufacturing into China.
It's not about education. It's about working attitude and mindset of the working population. And then there are the machines and techniques themselves that are often specific and invented there. Plus, the factory compounds like the ones in China are simply not replicable in other countries that easily, especially the US.

Remember how Jobs wanted the first iPhone screen to be glass instead of plastic? Foxconn literally had to wake up their workers at night to replace all the screens of the assembled iPhones overnight. You cannot do that anywhere else, only in China.
 
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The US is a long way from competing, globally, in this space. And before others take that personally, I’m simply saying we (the US) have done virtually nothing to create a foundation (education, training, financial support, regulatory, etc.) that would support a workforce capable of competing with the likes of India - let alone China. And I just don’t see that changing much in my lifetime. I could be wrong.
These are the facts and they are true for many Western countries when it comes to IT manufacturing. A lot of special knowledge is no longer available in the West because it has been outsourced to China etc.. This is not about "general education", this is not knowledge getting asked in a SAT. This is about highly specialised knowledge. Countries like China invited Western specialists and acquired all their knowledge, while us in the West became complacent. Eventually, we just collectively said "Alright, then let the guys in China do it" and now we are wondering why we can't manufacture back at home anymore.
 
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Good stuff - how do I exercise the option to buy an iPhone made in India rather than China? Would rather order from a production site in a country which has elements of democracy despite issues, than to reward a regime like China.
Most likely you would have to buy it from India. The main reason Apple is setting up assembly in India (and Brazil a few years back) is due to India’s extremely high import tariffs On foreign made phones. This is the reason that most Android OEMs (including Chinese OEMs) have been assembling phones in India for years just for the Indian market.
 
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China doesn't have a more educated population... They do have a lot more currency manipulation and predatory subsidization that's been used to lure manufacturing into China.
If you look at the upward trajectory of education statistics in your chart, you would see that the less educated is most likely the older generation who got much less schooling in the years prior to China’s past 30 years of development, which says little about the education levels of the working age population.
 
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Good stuff - how do I exercise the option to buy an iPhone made in India rather than China? Would rather order from a production site in a country which has elements of democracy despite issues, than to reward a regime like China.

Do you mean the same India that is refusing to work with everyone else on sanctioning Russia over Ukraine and purposely buying oil to prop up Putin's economy? Okay then.
 
Until India abstained from condemning Russia for invading Ukraine, I would have agreed with you. Now not so much. Whereas many in the West would have applauded Apple for doing this a few months ago, something tells me this will get mixed reviews at best. Why would consumers in North America and Europe want to buy phones from a country that states that Russia is an 'ally'? Production in India might not be any less morally repugnant than making phones in the PRC. See https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-60857406.
Abstaining from condemning does not equal support. It simply means that it does not want to take a position. India (like China) still relies on Russia for a good amount of military hardware and other expertise, so it’s not beneficial for either to outright cut ties with Russia. If either governments actually agreed with Russia India would have voted against and China would have used its veto in the security council. From what I’ve seen so far both countries have urged restraint and encouraged a peaceful resolution. Doing any more would have impacted the national security of both.
 
Do you mean the same India that is refusing to work with everyone else on sanctioning Russia over Ukraine and purposely buying oil to prop up Putin's economy? Okay then.
I was going to say, India may be a democracy but it's hardly a shining example to the rest of the world. Its insular nature and current love of Russia makes it a place where few can or want to invest. India has a few major conglomerates, and if you want to move up in society you basically need to get into whichever university they've got an agreement to trawl graduates from. Huge swathes of the country are still incredibly and increasingly poor.
 
Abstaining from condemning does not equal support. It simply means that it does not want to take a position. India (like China) still relies on Russia for a good amount of military hardware and other expertise, so it’s not beneficial for either to outright cut ties with Russia. If either governments actually agreed with Russia India would have voted against and China would have used its veto in the security council. From what I’ve seen so far both countries have urged restraint and encouraged a peaceful resolution. Doing any more would have impacted the national security of both.

Don't do that. India in 2021 bought 12 million barrels of oil from Russia. In the past TWO MONTHS they have bought 13 million barrels. Don't gloss that over and claim it's about playing Switzerland and staying neutral for their national security. Also, "urged restraint" doesn't seem to have done much considering the mass graves being dug up right now. Stop making excuses for the worst thing we've seen since WW2. One Neville Chamberlain was plenty.
 
Do you mean the same India that is refusing to work with everyone else on sanctioning Russia over Ukraine and purposely buying oil to prop up Putin's economy? Okay then.
Who is “everyone else”? Most of the world, including almost all of Asia, Africa, and South America have not put forth any economic restrictions on Russia.

Also, why should India do anything at all? While it’s fine that some countries feel about an issue strongly enough to potentially damage their own economy to cut ties with Russia, other countries (that are also much more removed from the conflict) might not feel the same way.
 
North America gave away its jobs to China years ago so companies could shed costs to satisfy Wall Street. China played the west for fools and won. On top of this mistake by the west, people salivated over the opportunity to buy things at Walmart and more recently Amazon. The same folks who complain about and lament the loss of local small and medium businesses in towns and cities throughout North America are often the same folks who are Amazon addicts and glee in having their latest items arrive in 2 days or less.
 
Don't do that. India in 2021 bought 12 million barrels of oil from Russia. In the past TWO MONTHS they have bought 13 million barrels. Don't gloss that over and claim it's about playing Switzerland and staying neutral for their national security. Also, "urged restraint" doesn't seem to have done much considering the mass graves being dug up right now. Stop making excuses for the worst thing we've seen since WW2. One Neville Chamberlain was plenty.
I’m not saying that natural resources have nothing to do with it, but I’m talking about military ties and hardware which is a lot harder to replace than natural resources overnight. I don’t want to do whataboutisms, but since you brought up Chamberlain… There has been a lot of conflicts larger than this one since WWII. I really don’t want to minimize the suffering felt in Ukraine here, but the civilian deaths and suffering in other wars like Iraq, Chechnya, or Kosovo have been orders of magnitudes worse.
 
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I was going to say, India may be a democracy but it's hardly a shining example to the rest of the world. Its insular nature and current love of Russia makes it a place where few can or want to invest. India has a few major conglomerates, and if you want to move up in society you basically need to get into whichever university they've got an agreement to trawl graduates from. Huge swathes of the country are still incredibly and increasingly poor.
A country in which more than 344 million people are without regular access to toilets (2017 stats from WHO and UNICEF) yet has a space program has rather skewed priorities. Since I was in university 40 years ago there have been (although not so much over the past number of years) articles in business publications predicting that India was the next boom economy and a must place to invest. I certainly did not follow that advice.
 
And why are you so proud to be so ignorant regarding all the issues China imposes on the rest of the World?
probably the same reason every other powerful countries impose issues on the rest of the world. this is a topic of diversifying supply chain, not geo politics.
 
Until India abstained from condemning Russia for invading Ukraine, I would have agreed with you. Now not so much. Whereas many in the West would have applauded Apple for doing this a few months ago, something tells me this will get mixed reviews at best. Why would consumers in North America and Europe want to buy phones from a country that states that Russia is an 'ally'? Production in India might not be any less morally repugnant than making phones in the PRC. See https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-60857406.
I am glad that India is showing those hypocrite politicians in US and EU their place who are still buying cheap Russian oil but sanctioning everything else which doesn't affect them. The dirty face of US and EU stands exposed.

India was, is and will always be neutral.

Now on topic, even though Apple will enjoy govt subsidies and perks for making in India, they will never reduce selling price of iPhones in India even by a rupee. Currently all latest iPhones cost 1.5x or even more the cost of their selling price in US.
 
Abstaining from condemning does not equal support. It simply means that it does not want to take a position. India (like China) still relies on Russia for a good amount of military hardware and other expertise, so it’s not beneficial for either to outright cut ties with Russia. If either governments actually agreed with Russia India would have voted against and China would have used its veto in the security council. From what I’ve seen so far both countries have urged restraint and encouraged a peaceful resolution. Doing any more would have impacted the national security of both.
I understand that both the PRC and India have myopically pursued a path of self-interest, no matter what the cost to the people of Ukraine. And failure to condemn a massive unprovoked invasion is support. The only good thing about the Ukraine situation is that the masks have been taken off countries that don't care about people, peace, or democracy. Thus, buying products from these countries might be considered as a way of giving them blood money. Maybe Apple should look to other countries for manufacturing.

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India was, is and will always be neutral.
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'Cowardly' and 'unprincipled' are the words I would use, not 'neutral'.
 
The only good thing about the Ukraine situation is that the masks have been taken off countries that don't care about people, peace, or democracy. Thus, buying products from these countries might be considered as a way of giving them blood money. Maybe Apple should look to other countries for manufacturing.
If that was the metric for supporting a company maybe Apple should consider moving their HQ to Ireland permanently, considering all the US has done in the Middle East in the past 2 decades.

Arguments like this very much ignore the reality that countries are inherently myopic. The list of countries that currently have economic sanctions in place are almost entirely in North America and Europe. Are you really saying that all other countries in Asia, Africa, South America don’t care about people? Or, more likely, that the conflict isn’t something that they are close to geographically and don’t want to involve themselves in? Look into all the atrocities that various countries have turned a blind eye to when it doesn’t involve their own interests and you will see pretty clearly that the latter is often the case.
 
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Who would want to pay double the price for a an iPhone with half the build quality?
Labor is only a small portion of the iPhone’s cost. Doubling the labor would add maybe 10-15% to the price. Make as Made in USA version for $200 more and see if it sells.
 
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