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Along with any hopes of a 17-inch portable at a reasonable price (or being available at all).

Tim Cook's Apple is sadly no longer the same company that Steve Jobs ran. Just wish that Apple has some genuine competition to keep them honest and make better macs.
 
I tried the 15" out in store and have to say I had real problems with the Trackpad. To be honest it is simply too big and my palm seemed to muck it up all the time. The 13" was fine in this regard. They really need to iron out their palm rejection tech if they want to float a trackpad this big.

These refurbished prices have piqued my interest in a new Macbook Pro however, but I can't help but feel this particular MacBook Pro will be an ugly duckling as far as generations are concerned, like when they released the 13" w/out Firewire to huge outcry. They actually returned Firewire on the next MBP, I wonder if we'll see any such re-additions on a next version.

Is there any solid news on when we might see an updated MBP? I really feel like I'd be a sucker for buying the current model - dealing with something as ubiquitous as a USB stick just seems unnecessarily cumbersome and expensive.

I need a new Pro 15" machine but I'm still so torn. Think I'll keep saving and hold out at least until WWDC. But even then I'm not holding my breath for any kind of announcement at that time.
 



Apple has added the 13-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar, originally released in October 2016, to its refurbished store for the first time.

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The base model with a 2.9GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 processor, 256GB flash storage, 8GB of RAM, and Intel Iris Graphics 550 is available for $1,529 in the United States, reflecting savings of $270 off Apple's regular price of $1,799. Available colors include both Silver and Space Gray.

The base model is also available with an upgraded 16GB of RAM for $1,699, or $300 off Apple's regular price of $1,999.

The higher-end model with a 2.9GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 processor, 256GB flash storage, 8GB of RAM, and Intel Iris Graphics 550 is available for $1,699 in the United States, reflecting savings of $300 off Apple's regular price of $1,999. Available colors include both Silver and Space Gray.

The higher-end model is also available with an upgraded 16GB of RAM for $1,869, or $330 off Apple's regular price of $2,199.

Other built-to-order configurations are available for between $1,949 and $2,459 in the United States, including models with up to a 3.3GHz dual-core Intel Core i7 processor, 1TB flash storage, and 16GB of RAM.

Apple has also made refurbished 13-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar models available in Canada for between $290 and $350 off.

The 15-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar and 13-inch model with standard function keys were added to Apple's refurbished store in March.

Apple says refurbished MacBook Pro models are thoroughly inspected, tested, cleaned, and repackaged, including the manuals and cables included in the box. The notebooks are each given a new serial number and undergo a final quality assurance inspection prior to being added to Apple's refurbished store.

A refurbished MacBook Pro comes with Apple's standard 1-year warranty effective on the date the notebook is delivered. The warranty can be extended to three years from the original purchase date with the AppleCare Protection Plan, which costs $279 for the 13-inch MacBook Pro in the United States.

Related: Guide to Buying Refurbished Apple Products

Article Link: Apple Now Selling Refurbished 13-Inch MacBook Pro With Touch Bar
[doublepost=1492930138][/doublepost]The Pro w TB is not worth the price even at the re-furb offering.
I bought the MBP w TB back in December and find it to be a glorified toy.
I have had many many issues and have spend countless hours on the phone with tech support.
I would seriously wait for the new models to be introduced. This model sorry to say just doesn't cut it.
Truthfully yours.....
 



The base model with a 2.9GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 processor, 256GB flash storage, 8GB of RAM, and Intel Iris Graphics 550 is available for $1,529 in the United States, reflecting savings of $270 off Apple's regular price of $1,799. Available colors include both Silver and Space Gray.

The higher-end model with a 2.9GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 processor, 256GB flash storage, 8GB of RAM, and Intel Iris Graphics 550 is available for $1,699 in the United States, reflecting savings of $300 off Apple's regular price of $1,999. Available colors include both Silver and Space Gray.

Is this an error? The base model and the higher-end model have the same specs?
 
A Mac "Pro" featuring Intel Iris Graphics. I still can't stop laughing when I see that.

I often see graphics cards referenced when discussing pros. Bear in mind that the pro market does not just include those who need high end graphics. In fact, those pros who do need high end graphics are probably best off choosing a desktop anyway. MacBook Pro on the other hand is a staple amongst performing musicians. High end graphic cards are of little use in those situations.
 
My first one must be in that pile. I sent mine in for repair in January, and 6 weeks later, they finally sent me a replacement.

But, after 3 months of using a MBPT, i'd say "save your money". I never use the touchbar, and wish i had a real "ESC" (i thought it'd be nice to have dedicated use buttons there, but now every function is hidden behind a click). The battery has never lasted more than 5 hours, in real life. It seems ram starved at 16gb. I have to quit everything else in order to play Cities:Skylines. It compiles my Node project 3 seconds faster than my MBA. So, I agree with critics, this machine would have been better if it were not called "pro", because it's not.
 
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They should scrap the macbook altogether and just sell the touch bar for $4999.99, call it the mac bar, include a few drinks and finger lube..

It takes courage but dip it 24k gold, label it the Touchbar Edition and sell it for $10,000. Can't innovate, my ass!!!!
 
Well, that's a waftam.

So true. Will wait until price cut/new model release and then may be pick one up at a sane price. Still USB-C and new dongle set will be a total hassle.

Remember that VHS won the war though Beta-max was better
 
I'm of the exact opposite opinion... I don't believe that there are any benefits to the consumer in buying Apple refurbs.

First, with just a little patience one can find brand new units for sale from retailers for LESS than an Apple refurb.

Second, the "more intimate QC testing" seems to be more of an urban myth than based on concrete evidence. People repeat that because they've heard others say it but have no evidence to support that. I find nothing on the Apple refurb page to indicate that "more intimate QC testing" is performed than (A) manufacturing QC testing and (B) any other computer manufacturer.

I am more inclined to believe that at one time in the past that statement was true, but without evidence to support that claim today, I wouldn't believe it now.
I don't have anything I can link to you, and you can believe what you want but theres no urban myth about it. I worked for the company for a solid 6 years including behind the bar, and its well known that Refurbs are not tested in batches on the line like new products are regardless If apple decides to share that on a web page or not.
 
I don't have anything I can link to you, and you can believe what you want but theres no urban myth about it. I worked for the company for a solid 6 years including behind the bar, and its well known that Refurbs are not tested in batches on the line like new products are regardless If apple decides to share that on a web page or not.
And yet you didn't provide any specifics to explain how these "individually tested refurbs" differ from "batch tested".

I can go to any luxury car website and they will provide a list of specific things they do for their "certified used" vehicles that go beyond what other companies do. Apple isn't shy about going into specifics about how they are working to lower their carbon footprint, reduce waste, and such, and we're to take other people's word that Apple does what they themselves don't acknowledge firsthand? :confused:
 
I don't have anything I can link to you, and you can believe what you want but theres no urban myth about it. I worked for the company for a solid 6 years including behind the bar, and its well known that Refurbs are not tested in batches on the line like new products are regardless If apple decides to share that on a web page or not.

My faith in Apple is pretty much nonexistent. They may or may not lie but they surely will mislead and do worse. They will do whatever they can to charge you the most they can get away with. I only stay with Apple because there isn't a better alternative. I can only sigh at all the Apple products I have. There is little joy in buying overpriced Apple products and services which sometimes include inferior parts or buggy code and fail. I feel more like a prisoner than a loyal user of Apple products.
 
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But, after 3 months of using a MBPT, i'd say "save your money". I never use the touchbar, and wish i had a real "ESC" (i thought it'd be nice to have dedicated use buttons there, but now every function is hidden behind a click). The battery has never lasted more than 5 hours, in real life. It seems ram starved at 16gb. I have to quit everything else in order to play Cities:Skylines.

I'm surprised it seems RAM starved at 16GB. With a modern OS and the SSD in there moving data at around 2 GB/s, it shouldn't be running out of RAM. What's your evidence that it's low on RAM? Activity Monitor memory pressure on red?
 
only thing that is annoying on my 2015 MacBook pro is having to type in my password. really think having touch ID would be great to have.
 
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