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It's funny how people begged for 4K when the ATV4 came out. Even with the ATV4K - not much 4K content.

What are you talking about? There is a crap TON of 4k content! So much good stuff from Netflix (every in-house show / movie) and Amazon Prime!

Add to that all of the 4k HDR movies to rent/buy on the iTunes store and there is PLENTY to watch.

It's actually somewhat rare for me to be watching something that _isn't_ 4k. Pretty much the only thing is broadcast TV (Hulu).
 
Yes, great option if DirectTVNow is an option for someone, got my first ATV4K this way.

Not so great for a second or third ATV4K for other rooms or a vacation house. :)
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I've never had an Apple Refurb that wasn't indistinguishable from new (other than the box it came in). Laptops, mini, ipads, etc. All flawless.
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Sorry, not fully up to speed on these.

I'm curious. What circumstances would make me want to have a higher capacity ATV? I don't buy videos on itunes, just stream stuff.
don't know maybe future proofing or you could cache an entire 4k movie and have a no buffering night - I have 2 4K 32 and they work flawlessly with all my video channels so I didn't' see a need to go for 64MB
 
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Seriously? iTunes probably has the most 4K movies of any digital provider. And their pricing/upgrade strategy is the best in the business.

Yea, I see some on Netflix and Prime, but that's kind of it. iTunes yes, but I don't download movies like that. I figured it would jump start more from a 4K streaming perspective.
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What are you talking about? There is a crap TON of 4k content! So much good stuff from Netflix (every in-house show / movie) and Amazon Prime!

Add to that all of the 4k HDR movies to rent/buy on the iTunes store and there is PLENTY to watch.

It's actually somewhat rare for me to be watching something that _isn't_ 4k. Pretty much the only thing is broadcast TV (Hulu).

I have Netflix and Prime and yea there is SOME stuff, but I kinda figured there would be more at this point. Still slow coming in my eyes.
 
I just got a LG 65" OLED. I use the built in Netflix app because my '4K ready' Denon will not pass the encrypted 4K signal. I upped my Netflix to 4K. I cannot see a significant difference. Best TV on the market and the difference, at least with streaming, is so minimal at 65" that it is not worth it. All marketing hype.

When I get a 100" OLED, then I will be interested.
I am dropping the Netflix upgrade.

Everyone go home. Nothing to see here.

https://www.cnet.com/news/four-4k-tv-facts-you-must-know/
"With video on a TV, the difference between 4K/UHD and 1080p/HD resolution is really hard to see. Many of the words in those reviews were written on a laptop in my lab at a theatrically close seating distance, comparing a 65-inch 1080p and a 65-inch 4K TV. Despite all the extra pixels I knew made up the 4K TV's screen, most of the time I didn't see any difference at all, especially with HD TV shows and Blu-rays. The differences in detail I did see were limited to the very best 4K demo material. Larger TVs or closer seating distances make that difference more visible, as do computer graphics, animation, and games, but even then it's not drastic."
 
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Nice...

Still no 4K TV's in our house, the 1080p Plasma and LCD just wont die.
I bought a 40” 4K TV for my home office since I work in there a lot and replaced the dead TV in the basement with a 42” 4K but the kids use that for gaming. Our main TV is a 55” and is still going strong from 2009 so I can’t upgrade that. That is where we use our Apple TV the most.
 
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My Apple TV and TV 4K are both really laggy, even restarting doesn't fix the problem :/ I have to factory rest, then after going in standby they turn real laggy again.... I've had three since 2015 and they all do it.
 
I have Netflix and Prime and yea there is SOME stuff, but I kinda figured there would be more at this point. Still slow coming in my eyes.
Not to mention, there is the whole 'how big is your screen?' and 'how far back do you sit?' questions that need to be answered before a screen simply being 4K will actually translate to a better picture than standard HD. Throw on top of that crap salad the whole issue of image quality: 4K tvs are almost commodity items any more. I'd state that a standard HD OLED screen would stomp all over your average 4k screen for image quality. A good standard HD plasma isn't far behind that. Your run of the mill, box store 4K screen floor special with bleed through and uneven lighting can be an awful viewing experience with with all the extra pixels even IF you find _well mastered_ 4K source material. Fortunately or unfortunately, it doesn't really matter any more, 4K is all they are making, so we'll all be there eventually. Unless you decide to skip 4K and wait for 8K, which is already being rolled out.
 
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Just after adding refurbished iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus models to its online store, Apple is now selling refurbished Apple TV 4K models for the first time in the United States. Apple TV 4K was released in September 2017.

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32GB and 64GB models are available for $149 and $169 respectively in the United States, reflecting modest savings of $30 off Apple's regular pricing for the equivalent brand new Apple TV 4K configurations. We've yet to see any refurbished Apple TV 4K models listed in other countries.

Apple says its refurbished products are thoroughly inspected, tested, cleaned, and repackaged with a new white box and accessories.

Refurbished Apple TVs are covered by Apple's standard one-year warranty effective on the date the device is delivered. The limited warranty can be extended to up to two years from the original purchase date with AppleCare for Apple TV for $29, but note this plan doesn't include accidental damage coverage.

Apple's refurbished products are virtually indistinguishable from brand new products, so they represent an opportunity for savings, but better Apple TV 4K deals are occasionally offered by resellers. Keep an eye on our Apple Deals roundup.

In addition to the iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus, and Apple TV 4K, Apple also began selling refurbished second-generation 12.9-inch iPad Pro models in January.

Article Link: Apple Now Selling Refurbished Apple TV 4K Models at $30 Discount

Im going to harass Apple TV posts about this until they fix it: IMPLEMENT 4K AND HDR SUPPORT FOR YOUTUBE
 
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Finally pulled the trigger on this. They're updated every 2 years roughly. $149 and $29 for AppleCare.
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If I would buy a refurbished product, than I guess this would be my choice. No battery and mostly sitting on a desk, so this should be a safe bet besides being a great product.

You can add AppleCare..I've owned every AppleTV since the very first iTV and have never had a unit fail.
 
2 minutes with Roku's UI and in app experience, compared to Apple TV screams small company. small dev staff. Looks about 10 or 15 years old. I agree about a all in one from Apple. I wonder what happened to it, all the buzz just stopped a while ago. Roku just licences the tech to TV manufacturers like TCL, Best Buy's Insignia brand etc, Hard to see Samsung or Sony bringing Apple TV functionality on board. I have an Insignia Roku 4K in my garage, nice set great picture, but that Roku UI. The system sounds are right from a old video game like Pong :)

I wasn't arguing that Roku > Apple... more like look how much they've accomplished with a fraction of Apple money and resources. How much could Apple get done with :apple:TV if that went at it like Roku has?

I personally LOVE :apple:TV. IMO: it's one of the best tech products available. I simply believe Apple could do so much more with it if they treated it like Roku treats their offerings. For Roku, it's live or die. For Apple, it's a hobby. What would happen if Apple pretended this was live or die? Try to imagine that potential.
 
I smell an event in March/April with New Apple TV...

The 4K AppleTV has more than enough processing power to be relevant for years, hardware-wise. That being said, I would not begrudge Dolby Atmos and DTS-X arriving via a software update around that time.


I just got a LG 65" OLED. I upped my Netflix to 4K. I cannot see a significant difference. Best TV on the market and the difference, at least with streaming, is so minimal at 65" that it is not worth it. All marketing hype.

I have the 55" and yes, I only really see a major difference with UHD Blu-ray. That being said, I do see a major difference with the HDR that most 4K streams have.
 
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Not so great for a second or third ATV4K for other rooms or a vacation house. :)

Why isn't it a great deal for a second or third ATV4K for other rooms or another house? It's a brand new unit for $10 less than refurbished.
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I wasn't arguing that Roku > Apple... more like look how much they've accomplished with a fraction of Apple money and resources. How much could Apple get done with :apple:TV if that went at it like Roku has?

I thought the Roku was good. The UI isn't as polished, true, but overall it's decent product. My issue is that their limited budget forced them to clog the remote and menu's with ads. One third of the menu's is now ads for Pay Per View and other subscriptions. The remote has four interactive "ads" in the way of buttons that can't be changed.* If they could be changed so I could choose whatever streaming services I wanted shortcuts for, it would have the best remote.

*I know some people here hate how I define ads, but when a company pays another company to put a logo that can't be removed on a product I call it an ad.
 
Or you can buy 3 Roku streaming sticks for the price of 1 Apple TV. I don't have 4K needs so I equipped my three TV's on the cheap. I'm slowly shedding my long standing Apple products on shear price alone. I'm going broke supporting their ecosystem.
 
I just got a LG 65" OLED. I use the built in Netflix app because my '4K ready' Denon will not pass the encrypted 4K signal. I upped my Netflix to 4K. I cannot see a significant difference. Best TV on the market and the difference, at least with streaming, is so minimal at 65" that it is not worth it. All marketing hype.

When I get a 100" OLED, then I will be interested.
I am dropping the Netflix upgrade.

Everyone go home. Nothing to see here.

https://www.cnet.com/news/four-4k-tv-facts-you-must-know/
"With video on a TV, the difference between 4K/UHD and 1080p/HD resolution is really hard to see. Many of the words in those reviews were written on a laptop in my lab at a theatrically close seating distance, comparing a 65-inch 1080p and a 65-inch 4K TV. Despite all the extra pixels I knew made up the 4K TV's screen, most of the time I didn't see any difference at all, especially with HD TV shows and Blu-rays. The differences in detail I did see were limited to the very best 4K demo material. Larger TVs or closer seating distances make that difference more visible, as do computer graphics, animation, and games, but even then it's not drastic."

How far away do you sit from your TV?

I sit about 8' away from my 65" Sony 4k... and I can _definitely_ see the detail in a good 4k stream. Try watching something at 4k for a while (like Planet Earth 2 on Netflix) then force the ATV 4k into 1080p and go back and watch. It will look at all "fuzzy" and lacking details.

Not too mention the big difference in HDR. Try watching something good with HDR (Stranger Things on Netflix is pretty good)... then go in and force the HDR off on your ATV 4k... big difference!

If you're not seeing the differences you're either sitting too far away, have eyesight issues... or have something wrong with your setup!
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Just waiting for ATMOS and DTS-HD MA passthrough. It’s been a painful wait.

You mean DTS-X, right?

I have a good Atmos/DTS-X setup (ceiling mounted speakers above the couch)... and of course I love watching UHD Blurays that come with Atmos/DTS-X soundtracks... but I have to say: my Onkyo receiver does a damn good job of taking 5.1 sound and figuring out what to put in those overhead speakers using either Dolby Surround or DTS Neural-X (I prefer DTS Neural-X from my testing).

When I first built this new setup with 4k HDR TV and Atmos sound system... I was hesitant to watch good movies on ATV since they lacked the true soundtrack. However, I've quickly turned around on that.

Yes: I can tell the difference between the HD sound streams and the 5.1 compressed audio I get from my ATV 4k... but the difference is not enough to keep me from recommending an ATV 4k for anyone that has a 4k TV (no matter what your sound preferences are). Just gaining the HDR capability alone is enough to justify it.
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Yea, I see some on Netflix and Prime, but that's kind of it. iTunes yes, but I don't download movies like that. I figured it would jump start more from a 4K streaming perspective.
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I have Netflix and Prime and yea there is SOME stuff, but I kinda figured there would be more at this point. Still slow coming in my eyes.

Here is a list of 4k stuff on Netflix:

https://hd-report.com/list-of-4k-ultra-hd-movies-tv-shows-on-netflix/

And Amazon Prime Video

https://hd-report.com/list-of-4k-ultra-hd-movies-tv-shows-titles-on-amazon-video/

There is plenty there to keep you going for a long time. If you get bored... hop out to the iTunes store and pick any of these:

https://hd-report.com/list-of-4k-hdr-movies-on-apple-tv/

And things are accelerating _quickly_ since the ATV 4k came out.
 
I may be picking one of these up at some point. Idk if it's Plex or the Apple TV but my Plex streams freeze in the middle. Works fine on my Xbox and Vizio Smartcast. Wondering if it's a processing issue. Probably once DirecTV Now gets the big update with 4K, I'll get one.
 
Everyone's hoping (skipping and jumping included) onto the Apple TV 4K bandwagon now its at a discount...

Apple's got a gravey train goin' here.
 
Not to mention, there is the whole 'how big is your screen?' and 'how far back do you sit?' questions that need to be answered before a screen simply being 4K will actually translate to a better picture than standard HD. Throw on top of that crap salad the whole issue of image quality: 4K tvs are almost commodity items any more. I'd state that a standard HD OLED screen would stomp all over your average 4k screen for image quality. A good standard HD plasma isn't far behind that. Your run of the mill, box store 4K screen floor special with bleed through and uneven lighting can be an awful viewing experience with with all the extra pixels even IF you find _well mastered_ 4K source material. Fortunately or unfortunately, it doesn't really matter any more, 4K is all they are making, so we'll all be there eventually. Unless you decide to skip 4K and wait for 8K, which is already being rolled out.

Yea I honestly just haven’t been all that impressed. I have a 50 inch and I sit probably 8-10 feet away and I rarely notice the difference. I’ll invest in the OLED ones when the prices come down. I have no reason to replace right now.
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How far away do you sit from your TV?

I sit about 8' away from my 65" Sony 4k... and I can _definitely_ see the detail in a good 4k stream. Try watching something at 4k for a while (like Planet Earth 2 on Netflix) then force the ATV 4k into 1080p and go back and watch. It will look at all "fuzzy" and lacking details.

Not too mention the big difference in HDR. Try watching something good with HDR (Stranger Things on Netflix is pretty good)... then go in and force the HDR off on your ATV 4k... big difference!

If you're not seeing the differences you're either sitting too far away, have eyesight issues... or have something wrong with your setup!
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You mean DTS-X, right?

I have a good Atmos/DTS-X setup (ceiling mounted speakers above the couch)... and of course I love watching UHD Blurays that come with Atmos/DTS-X soundtracks... but I have to say: my Onkyo receiver does a damn good job of taking 5.1 sound and figuring out what to put in those overhead speakers using either Dolby Surround or DTS Neural-X (I prefer DTS Neural-X from my testing).

When I first built this new setup with 4k HDR TV and Atmos sound system... I was hesitant to watch good movies on ATV since they lacked the true soundtrack. However, I've quickly turned around on that.

Yes: I can tell the difference between the HD sound streams and the 5.1 compressed audio I get from my ATV 4k... but the difference is not enough to keep me from recommending an ATV 4k for anyone that has a 4k TV (no matter what your sound preferences are). Just gaining the HDR capability alone is enough to justify it.
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Here is a list of 4k stuff on Netflix:

https://hd-report.com/list-of-4k-ultra-hd-movies-tv-shows-on-netflix/

And Amazon Prime Video

https://hd-report.com/list-of-4k-ultra-hd-movies-tv-shows-titles-on-amazon-video/

There is plenty there to keep you going for a long time. If you get bored... hop out to the iTunes store and pick any of these:

https://hd-report.com/list-of-4k-hdr-movies-on-apple-tv/

And things are accelerating _quickly_ since the ATV 4k came out.

Thanks, I use Netflix for 4K but that’s about it. Is there no way to broadcast live streaming television/sports in 4K? Shouldn’t that be available by now?
 
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Just after adding refurbished iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus models to its online store, Apple is now selling refurbished Apple TV 4K models for the first time in the United States. Apple TV 4K was released in September 2017.

apple-tv-4k-refurb-800x334.jpg

32GB and 64GB models are available for $149 and $169 respectively in the United States, reflecting modest savings of $30 off Apple's regular pricing for the equivalent brand new Apple TV 4K configurations. We've yet to see any refurbished Apple TV 4K models listed in other countries.

Apple says its refurbished products are thoroughly inspected, tested, cleaned, and repackaged with a new white box and accessories.

Refurbished Apple TVs are covered by Apple's standard one-year warranty effective on the date the device is delivered. The limited warranty can be extended to up to two years from the original purchase date with AppleCare for Apple TV for $29, but note this plan doesn't include accidental damage coverage.

Apple's refurbished products are virtually indistinguishable from brand new products, so they represent an opportunity for savings, but better Apple TV 4K deals are occasionally offered by resellers. Keep an eye on our Apple Deals roundup.

In addition to the iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus, and Apple TV 4K, Apple also began selling refurbished second-generation 12.9-inch iPad Pro models in January.

Article Link: Apple Now Selling Refurbished Apple TV 4K Models at $30 Discount

Bought!
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Apple TV was just updated. When looking at the release cycles thus far it’s a definite no!

Yeah, they just dropped this 4K (well relatively recently). I don't think we're going to see a new aTV this year. I bet we see a new Mac Mini before a new aTV.
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Not a bad deal... I picked up a 4th Gen 64GB in November 2016 for $159. Tempting, but I will hold out for Spring to see whether a 4K 128GB model is released.
What are you filling all that storage with?
 
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Yea I honestly just haven’t been all that impressed. I have a 50 inch and I sit probably 8-10 feet away and I rarely notice the difference. I’ll invest in the OLED ones when the prices come down. I have no reason to replace right now.
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Thanks, I use Netflix for 4K but that’s about it. Is there no way to broadcast live streaming television/sports in 4K? Shouldn’t that be available by now?

Not yet - but it’s coming. The Super Bowl this year is actually being recorded in 4K - but not broadcast in it just yet.
 
Everyone's hoping (skipping and jumping included) onto the Apple TV 4K bandwagon now its at a discount...

Apple's got a gravey train goin' here.
I hope so - Apple TV has been neglected for so long, the 4K has renewed interest in it and Apple seems to be making an effort to give it new features lately.
 
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