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Apple Now Selling Refurbished M1 Pro and M1 Max MacBook Pro Models

planteater said:
I see what you are saying regarding the savings, I adhere to a similar philosophy regarding extended warranties. I never purchase them for any products. The money I’ve saved over the years is more than enough to pay for repairs or replacement of any device that fails, including my new MBP.

I track the cost over time of all electronic devices, appliances, house, etc., and know my the cost of ownership well.

I still prefer my Apple devices new, but can appreciate those that buy them refurbished. From all reports, Apple refurbs are high quality.
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With rare exceptions, I don't buy extended warranties, either. I've been buying electronic devices since the 1970s, and only two have gone bad during the extended-warranty period. One was a CD player in the 1980s for which I did buy an extended warranty -- but the store had gone out of business, so the warranty was worthless. The other was for a 15" 2008 MPB that had the defective NVidia video graphics adapter. Because the logic board was fried, the Apple tech said he couldn't determine that the VGA was the cause, so I had to pay the standard fee to replace the logic board. As for iPhones, iPads, and laptops, I'm very careful with them, and I've never broken one. I've had a couple of devices fail during the standard warranty period, but electronic devices are so reliable that they usually fail early if they're going to do so.
 
egyhenger said:
You never know what the previous owner did with it. A lot can happen in 30 days. Maybe it was abused to hell with benchmarks, battery has 30 cycles in it already. Maybe it was even dropped. You won’t be able to tell from the outside. This is a used machine. And it is too expensive for that.
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You'd be happy to know that the refurbished ones actually go through MORE testing than the ones they sell new. You're actually less likely to end up with a faulty product, that's why it has an identical warranty.
 
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lambertjohn said:
I've always bought refurbished apple products and never had a problem with them. They're just as good as new, and look that way too.
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Yep, Apple refurbished and "Seller/Factory/...etc" refurbished on flipbay are two totally different things.
 
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profcutter said:
This makes no sense. Are you suggesting all refurbs have screen blemishes and new machines don’t? I’ve had several new MacBook pros that had to be returned for white spots and other screen problems. I’ve had refurbs that didn’t.
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No, I'm countering this statement;
Apple Refurbished is indistinguishable from new.
 
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For team refurb how has dead pixel experience been vs new. Im 1/2 on my best buy open boxes. My 2012 had one dead my 2020 was perfect.
 
H2SO4 said:
No, I'm countering this statement;
Apple Refurbished is indistinguishable from new.
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Having bought several, and having seen the threads with people complaining about blemishes on their new freshly opened devices, I’d say the statement still holds true.
 
profcutter said:
Having bought several, and having seen the threads with people complaining about blemishes on their new freshly opened devices, I’d say the statement still holds true.
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I have to say, I bought a refurb, (there was a miniscule mark on the screen that was probably 0.25mm long but it didn't bother me. What does is the blown right speaker on my Feb 2020 MBP. Out of warranty now.
 
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George Dawes said:
The M1 is so amazing I really can't see how they can improve on it dramatically
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Dramatically? No. The big change was from Intel to M1. Now we will be on incremental improvements of the M-series chips. Each generation will bring new CPU cores with maybe 10% faster performance. They may improve the GPU core performance.

The M2 SOC may get a couple more performance CPU cores or it may keep the same number. It will probably get a few more GPU Cores. It may allow more than 16GB of RAM and they may add another display channel to allow another external monitor. There may be some other tweaks but probably no major changes.

The M2 Pro/Max/Ultra will get the same improved cores and will see similar changes in other components.
 
H2SO4 said:
I have to say, I bought a refurb, (there was a miniscule mark on the screen that was probably 0.25mm long but it didn't bother me. What does is the blown right speaker on my Feb 2020 MBP. Out of warranty now.
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Damn! That’s serious. Did you not notice it til now?
 
Tagbert said:
Dramatically? No. The big change was from Intel to M1. Now we will be on incremental improvements of the M-series chips. Each generation will bring new CPU cores with maybe 10% faster performance. They may improve the GPU core performance.

The M2 SOC may get a couple more performance CPU cores or it may keep the same number. It will probably get a few more GPU Cores. It may allow more than 16GB of RAM and they may add another display channel to allow another external monitor. There may be some other tweaks but probably no major changes.

The M2 Pro/Max/Ultra will get the same improved cores and will see similar changes in other components.
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As much as I would like big improvements, I do agree that incremental improvements is probably the most probable, like the A series in iPhones
 
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arvinsim said:
As much as I would like big improvements, I do agree that incremental improvements is probably the most probable, like the A series in iPhones
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There is still the possibility of some interesting stuff happening at the Mac Pro level, but the mainstream M-series should be fairly predicable for now. And still a fantastic upgrade from what we had before.
 
profcutter said:
Damn! That’s serious. Did you not notice it til now?
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Sorry, not sure if I was clear.
The loudspeaker wasn't blown when I got it. It is now.
When I was young, (a good number of years ago), I used to play very loud music. As I got further into my teens I understood electronics more and also appreciated sound quality a little more and I thus understood that a clipping signal was not only aesthetically unpleasing it was also damaging.
I therefore am particularly careful with my hi fi. Yeah I still use that term. So to have a speaker let go after a couple of years of light use is pretty annoying. What's equally annoying is not being able to buy the spare parts to effect a repair.
 
H2SO4 said:
Sorry, not sure if I was clear.
The loudspeaker wasn't blown when I got it. It is now.
When I was young, (a good number of years ago), I used to play very loud music. As I got further into my teens I understood electronics more and also appreciated sound quality a little more and I thus understood that a clipping signal was not only aesthetically unpleasing it was also damaging.
I therefore am particularly careful with my hi fi. Yeah I still use that term. So to have a speaker let go after a couple of years of light use is pretty annoying. What's equally annoying is not being able to buy the spare parts to effect a repair.
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Yeah, with apple stuff these days, I think it usually makes sense to get applecare. I know that extended warranties are usually a scam, but when you’re carrying the thing around added to the fact that almost nothing is user-serviceable, it saves some heartache. I assume you’ve trolled eBay for possible replacement speakers?
 
profcutter said:
Yeah, with apple stuff these days, I think it usually makes sense to get applecare. I know that extended warranties are usually a scam, but when you’re carrying the thing around added to the fact that almost nothing is user-serviceable, it saves some heartache. I assume you’ve trolled eBay for possible replacement speakers?
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Yah, wonderign if I shouldn't have gotten Applecare. Shoudln't need to on a device of that cost and qualitythough.
I have had a look at eBay and the last time I checked at least there wasn'y anything about. iFixit ahd nothing either.

Wil have a think and take it from there I suppose.
 
dmylrea said:
Apple Refurbished is indistinguishable from new, apart from the box that looks almost identical says "Refurbished" in tiny print on the front.

Inside, I would bet you $100 you couldn't tell the difference.
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Camera manufacturers often sell new units as refurbs so they can discount the price without affecting full priced new sales.
 
I'm considering canceling my constantly pushed back MacBook Pro (the date has changed 3 times now) but if there are flaws from previous wear and tear and there is a chance the battery is not replaced and you cannot trade it in....the only difference is $50 between the factory new vs. refurbished and a few more weeks...I guess I can wait a little longer. What say ye, refurbished people...I am worried about pulling the cancel trigger.
 
jdclifford said:
The only problem is Apple won't allow a trade-in on a refurb.
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You're mistaken, it does not work the same as buying a new one but you can still get money for what you were going to trade. If you go to this Apple Trade. Then scroll to the bottom and select your device and from what I was told at my local Apple store once you trade/turn in your device they take the value of it and apply it to the purchase you just made. such as the refurbished computer. You have to produce the original receipt for them to apply the Apple gift card amount too. I get the same dollar amount whether I'm buying new and trading in or going to the link.
 
K19L81M said:
I'm considering canceling my constantly pushed back MacBook Pro (the date has changed 3 times now) but if there are flaws from previous wear and tear and there is a chance the battery is not replaced and you cannot trade it in....the only difference is $50 between the factory new vs. refurbished and a few more weeks...I guess I can wait a little longer. What say ye, refurbished people...I am worried about pulling the cancel trigger.
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If you have the spare funds to purchase the refurbished model you could get that NOW have a good look over cosmetically and then operational. You have 2 weeks and it can be shipped back or taken to a local store which I'm sure you are aware of.
 
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