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Ruh roh, I shouldn't have procrastinated on my 2010 MacBook Pro logic board replacement. :(

It really is still a killer computer still, i7, 8GB RAM, 1TB SSD. It really doesn't feel sluggish compared to the latest hardware.
 
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Wow, my 2010 iMac is next. Never thought it would be considered 'vintage' soon!

Even though I've had to replace 2 hard drives in it, she's rocking pretty hard.
 
According to that page of Apple’s site, a vintage Mac is between 5 and 7 years old while an obsolete Mac is more than 7 years old. I’m pretty sure 2011 was when they switched for leaded solder to lead-free. So 2010 was the last year they used leaded solder. I guess they consider leaded solder to be obsolete, even though it won’t melt and short-circuit the logic board.

And remember that medical devices got a pass on the lead solder deal because unleaded solder tends to fail much much earlier. But for Apple and the other computer makers, it was the best of both worlds, now they can comply with the government and make sure their users have to be buy new hardware earlier. You just cannot make this stuff up.
 
And remember that medical devices got a pass on the lead solder deal because unleaded solder tends to fail much much earlier. But for Apple and the other computer makers, it was the best of both worlds, now they can comply with the government and make sure their users have to be buy new hardware earlier. You just cannot make this stuff up.

It's driven by California statutes - and those are some things that can't be made up... Every industry is affected differently in California for some reason.
 
I look forward to people pointing out how powerful their 2010 Macbook is they've owned for 5 years and there is no technical reason it couldn't run the latest OS X version and Tim Cook is too greedy and and and and...

I installed El Capitan on my mother-in-law's 2009 13" unibody MacBook. It runs fine. (I did up the RAM to 8GB and install and SSD, to be fair).
 
I'm very displeased with the fact that Apple does not offer 17" notebooks anymore... They were gorgeous!
And "obsoleting" a 5-6 years old machine sounds reasonable. A tad early for some of us, but hey - they are producing beautiful and above-average capable lifestyle products nowadays, not high-duty content creation machines for professional use - so I don't blame them.
 
Yes, that is correct. I'm not sure what "even if I'm willing to pay" means since you'd have to pay anyway if the machine is past Apple Care, which all of these machines are old enough to have been for a while now. However, you'll likely still find third parties willing to do so for a while to come, plus there are apparently rare occasions where Apple will still work on vintage/obsolete Macs (maybe because they still have a lot of parts for some models floating around? who knows).

That's because people think that they should only have to pay for a repair if it's their fault. It's amazing how many people get mad when they find out they have to pay for a hardware failure outside of warranty.
 
My 17inch (Early 2009) MacBook Pro doesn't feel 'obsolete', in fact with an SSD installed it performs admirably for normal use, it's just the CPU that feels a little sluggish compared to today.
Mine, as well. I also replace the HDD with SSD and maxed out the RAM. I know it isn't cutting edge speed but for what I do the slowness is not noticeable. That said, if they released a new 17", I would buy it in heartbeat.
 
While Mary Barra probably has more on her plate than arbitrary and specific model support issues, it's still a bad analogy.

You can still get parts for a 1993 Cavalier.
And a '75 Monte Carlo.
Heck, my dad could drive his 1957 Bel Air into the Chevy dealer and get it serviced, like a new battery, if he wanted to.
(Source: employment, family in business, first-hand experience, internet forum comments)

In contrast, I took my wife's otherwise perfectly functional '09 MBP into the local Apple store where they declined to change out a bad battery because it was "vintage" or "antique" or "ancient" or whatever they call it. Absolutely no reason for that to be refused, other than servicing old products keeps customers from buying new ones. I can't believe there is any other reason the new Macs are as sealed up and as unserviceable as they are. The parts are still around and easy to make (and over charge for), the service itself it pretty easy (compared to a new macbook), and Apple store service rates are expensive enough. (See automotive example above.)

I've heard others opine (arguably) and I agree that part of the reason for the PC sales slowdown is because the tech improvements don't improve the user experience, if that experience is limited to email, web surfing and similar light duties. So how else to keep the purchases up? Make throw-away products. Cool for the investors, uncool for the customers - especially the ones like me who got on board with the (waning, if not dead) "think different" mantra.

The emperor's new clothes, indeed.

Your car dealer is not owned by the manufacturer, it's an independent business. Had you taken that MBP to an Apple Authorized Service Provider or other independent repair shop, they would not have refused your business - if they can get the parts (used, refurbished, off-the-shelf, or purchased at close-out from Apple), they'll do the work.

The difference is that the Apple Retail Store is owned by Apple - they have to follow the same Vintage and Obsolete policy as their parts department - "we won't keep or sell parts after 5 years, but we'll keep fixing them" doesn't hold up very well under consumer protection law. Either the company stops supporting a model across the board, or it continues to support it across the board.

A car battery is not the best analogy, either. In an internal combustion vehicle, the battery is only needed to start the engine. In a portable electronic device, the battery is the engine.

The size and shape of engine compartments; the size, shapes, and capacities of the engines themselves, are highly variable, like batteries in portable electronic devices. You'd have to do a whole lot of tinkering to put a 1993 Cavalier engine into a '57 Bel Air, and a '57 Bel Air engine wouldn't even begin to fit in a '93 Cavalier's engine compartment.

The dimensions of car batteries have been essentially standard for the past 60 years (or more). They take up a very small percentage of space in the vehicle, so unlike the proportionately huge batteries in portable electronic devices, it's far easier to find the space for a "standard" battery. In terms of the space required, a car battery is more like a single capacitor or chip in an electronic device. Caps and chips are built to standardized dimensions. Even when the internals of the chip may be custom-designed, the packaging generally is not, in order to take advantage of automated assembly equipment (among other things).

If you were to ask your car dealer, they'd tell you that they do not get parts for older vehicles from the manufacturer, they get them from independent parts suppliers, and sometimes all they can get is rebuilt/refurbished parts. Automakers and electronics manufacturers sell their remaining parts inventories to the independents. The manufacturers are able to remove non-producing assets from their balance sheets (and book a sale), and the parts dealers start a fresh investment cycle. And parts manufacturers (tires, batteries, oil and air filters, hard drives, wiper blades, RAM modules...) simply sell those parts directly to parts suppliers and repair shops.
 
It's driven by California statutes - and those are some things that can't be made up... Every industry is affected differently in California for some reason.
And then there’s California Proposition 65. Even things that aren’t going to cause reproductive harm or birth defects has to have the Proposition 65 label on it. Take for example, my keyboard wrist rest. It’s made by a company called Grifiti and it’s pure leather, and yet, they have to put the Proposition 65 label on it so they don’t have to make two types of boxes; one for California and one for everything else.
 
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Except its all true...

I think this is what is behind the global PC slump - today's 6 year-old PCs are no longer the hopelessly slow crocks they used to be. I remember the days when I'd replace my PC every 2 years and see a massive performance boost and after 3-4 years you could forget about running any new software and seeing reasonable performance (even if it was still compatible). Now, well, its probably 2mm thinner, 20% faster on benchmarks (less in real life) and the battery lasts a bit longer. Oh, yes, and its got a better screen, but I'll need to update my glasses prescription to appreciate it. 5 years ago, 4GB RAM was tolerable and 8GB was plenty unless you were working with huge graphics files. Today, well, the same really.

Now they're having to plan their obsolescence... Solder in the ram and people will pay extra for 16GB because they might need it in the future.

On the other hand, the price of a half-decent PC system - say $500-$1500 has stayed in the same ballpark range in figures for the last 35 years while the specs have gone up by orders of magnitude. The cost of a Mac has probably gone down (again, in figures). Now find an inflation calculator on the web and see what a massive price crash that represents in real terms. That's what a huge market with massive economy of scale does for you. If you want that sort of thing to continue you might want to keep upgrading every 2 years...

Some of us just like upgrading cos we've got money to spend...
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Your avatar speaks volumes.

I doubt it, i'd have spat coffee everywhere if it did, mum.
 
Lol at my old Mini late 09 still supported
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My 17inch (Early 2009) MacBook Pro doesn't feel 'obsolete', in fact with an SSD installed it performs admirably for normal use, it's just the CPU that feels a little sluggish compared to today.
The obsolescence that list is referring to is just for hardware support/ spare parts, not related to performance
 
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I look forward to people pointing out how powerful their 2010 Macbook is they've owned for 5 years and there is no technical reason it couldn't run the latest OS X version and Tim Cook is too greedy and and and and...

Edit: And indeed they did - about 10 people quoted me to tell me how amazing their 2010 Macbook's are. Good for you guys....good for you!

I have a mid 2010 15" in the office. Works like a charm, upgraded with an SSD.
 
So... My Core i7 8GB RAM SSD machine is obsolete... Great... meanwhile they still sell 5200rpm HDD, 4GB RAM machines...
And again the performance of your machine isn't anyhow related to it being obsolete from a servicing point of view

Excellent point!
Actually a very poor point, since performance aren't in discussion here
 
In the meanwhile my wife's 2010 MacBook Air with 2 Gb of ram and a 64 Gb SSD is still running reasonably fine with El Captain

Eh.... My wife wants a newer Model anyways. This gives me the excuse to spend money.
 
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